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Topic: Similarities Between Stories in the Bible and Ancient Pagan
Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 06/01/11 08:16 PM
The Word is translated,so others may better understand. ....so others my better understand one particular group's interpretation of the original words. Sorry, that doesn't fly with me.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 06/01/11 08:19 PM
Sorry. WORD OF GOD IS NOT CHANGED. The Bible has been translated into every language. Bilber translators are required to translate the Word correctly...and careful check is made to be sure of this. NOW.....IF some however, did attempt to CHANGE God's Word ? Well....I'll let you go look at the end of last chapter , of the book of Revelation in the Bible... to see what God has to say about that. It is NOT a good thing to mess with God's Holy Word. Actually.... GOD IS A BIG ENOUGH GOD TO KEEP WATCH OVER HIS WORD AND TO ALSO PRESERVE HIS HOLY WORD. Well I don't know about "The Word of God." BUT THE BIBLE HAS BEEN CHANGED MANY MANY MANY TIMES. Revelation was written by some dude on drugs. Or else it was one of the biggest jokes every played on humanity.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Wed 06/01/11 08:25 PM Edited by MorningSong on Wed 06/01/11 08:27 PM
THE BIBLE HAS BEEN TRANSLATED MANY MANY MANY TIMES.... NOT NOT NOT CHANGED MANY MANY MANY TIMES. THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MEANING OF TRANSLATED VERSUS CHANGED !!!

Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Wed 06/01/11 08:26 PM
THE BIBLE HAS BEEN TRANSLATED MANY MANY MANY TIMES.... NOT NOT NOT CHANGED MANY MANY MANY TIMES. THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE MEANING OF TRANSLATED VERSUS CHANGED !!! The number of different versions of the Bible, and the changes in said versions, be it by addition, omission or just altering a sentence or three, would disagree with you.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Wed 06/01/11 08:33 PM
Wrong.... nothing is changed in the translation, Kliesto. But again, IF per chance, there is someone doing that , they will have to answer to God... and I assure you that "changed bible version" would not stand. Christians would be able to tell the difference between a translation, versus someone changing God's Word around.

Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Wed 06/01/11 08:38 PM
Wrong.... nothing is changed in the translation, Kliesto. But again, IF per chance, there is someone doing that , they will have to answer to God... and I assure you that "changed bible version" would not stand. Christians would be able to tell the difference between a translation, versus someone changing God's Word around. Have you actually LOOKED at all the different versions out there? They're NOT the same! Hell the Catholic Bible alone has books in it that others don't have, and that's just one example!

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 06/01/11 09:02 PM
I don't really think she has studied them all. My point is when you re-word and re-translate anything it can come off with a different meaning altogether. Especially in the English language. Some words have double meanings. I grew up on the King James Version and I like it a lot better than these new modern Bibles. They just are not as poetic. They don't have as much meaning for me. Sorry. That's just how I see it.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 06/01/11 09:17 PM
Wrong.... nothing is changed in the translation, Kliesto. But again, IF per chance, there is someone doing that , they will have to answer to God... and I assure you that "changed bible version" would not stand. Christians would be able to tell the difference between a translation, versus someone changing God's Word around. Have you actually LOOKED at all the different versions out there? They're NOT the same! Hell the Catholic Bible alone has books in it that others don't have, and that's just one example! Not saying I have read them all, but I have read quite a few different translations and have not found one that says something different then another. Secondly, yes the Catholics have books that other "denominations" do not. There are many upon many scriptures that are not included in the bible people have at home. If we put all the scriptures we have into one single book, a "normal" person would not even be able to carry it, at least not with ease. By "normal" person, I mean someone that isn't a weight lifter, doesn't do an incredible amount of physical exercises, ect. The bible people have at home are just the basic knowledges of God. Just the simple things, the things needed to know in hopes of achieving salvation.

Uselessknowledge Joined Tue 05/31/11 Posts: 68	Wed 06/01/11 09:22 PM
There are many upon many scriptures that are not included in the bible people have at home. If we put all the scriptures we have into one single book, a "normal" person would not even be able to carry it, at least not with ease. Interesting how it grows over time... hmmm..

Kleisto Joined Tue 05/13/08 Posts: 5704	Wed 06/01/11 09:23 PM
Wrong.... nothing is changed in the translation, Kliesto. But again, IF per chance, there is someone doing that , they will have to answer to God... and I assure you that "changed bible version" would not stand. Christians would be able to tell the difference between a translation, versus someone changing God's Word around. Have you actually LOOKED at all the different versions out there? They're NOT the same! Hell the Catholic Bible alone has books in it that others don't have, and that's just one example! Not saying I have read them all, but I have read quite a few different translations and have not found one that says something different then another. You have to look at little things, words being added or taken away here or there. It's very subtle.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 06/01/11 09:27 PM
Wrong.... nothing is changed in the translation, Kliesto. But again, IF per chance, there is someone doing that , they will have to answer to God... and I assure you that "changed bible version" would not stand. Christians would be able to tell the difference between a translation, versus someone changing God's Word around. Have you actually LOOKED at all the different versions out there? They're NOT the same! Hell the Catholic Bible alone has books in it that others don't have, and that's just one example! Not saying I have read them all, but I have read quite a few different translations and have not found one that says something different then another. You have to look at little things, words being added or taken away here or there. It's very subtle. Doesn't matter if a word has been taken away or added lol. As long as the meaning is the same. The grammar between different languages are different. So to make it make sense, things would then need to be altered a little. Would end up with the same meaning in the end.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 06/01/11 09:30 PM
There are many upon many scriptures that are not included in the bible people have at home. If we put all the scriptures we have into one single book, a "normal" person would not even be able to carry it, at least not with ease. Interesting how it grows over time... hmmm.. Nothing has grown lol. It is the same scriptures as when it was written. That is why they are kept in an entire building, some cathedral. Again don't remember the name of the building or the place. But as the epistles are just that, "notes, letters, ect" some things are not needed to be included in the "bible". The bible is the knowledge that applies to God our father. We do not need to know what they had to eat, don't know to know who they seen on the way when they are not affiliated with anything to do with God, ect.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Wed 06/01/11 09:36 PM
Well.....I love Both the Old and New King James version (king james version is my favorite...very poetic...yes) but I like to compare it to other versions as well, when studying. (And yes, there are many versions that are written to make the bible more easier to understand..but the different tranlations have not changed the meaning of what the Word says) . BUT..like I said earlier, IF there are people changing God's Word, they will have to answer to God Almighty. I am not familiar with the catholic bible.

Uselessknowledge Joined Tue 05/31/11 Posts: 68	Wed 06/01/11 09:37 PM
Just ignore me atm.. I'm not completely there/here... w/e you call it

heavenlyboy34 Joined Fri 07/04/08 Posts: 17348	Wed 06/01/11 09:52 PM
Interesting topic. People who want to really get into this in depth should read "Mere Christianity" by C.S. Lewis, "Apologetics" by Thomas Aquinas, and "Institutio Christianae Religionis" by John Calvin.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 06/01/11 10:08 PM
Interesting topic. People who want to really get into this in depth should read "Mere Christianity" by C.S. Lewis, "Apologetics" by Thomas Aquinas, and "Institutio Christianae Religionis" by John Calvin. Thanks, but I have a library here at home and about 50 books I've been wanting to finish, I don't need any more, especially quibbling about religion. That's just more useless information I don't really need.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Wed 06/01/11 10:09 PM Edited by MorningSong on Wed 06/01/11 10:36 PM
Allow me share an example of how a CHANGE in God's Word could be PURPOSELY made , versus just a translation. ( Now....IF a complete CHANGE is Made in God's Word, to ALTER IT'S MEANING....., it would BE DONE IN ORDER THAT THE WORD OF GOD SAY SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT..and that is a dangerous thing before God to do!!!) Here is an example of someone CHANGING GOD'S WORD !!! First ,let's begin here with a true version...for instance, the king james version: john1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Now..using the same scripture above, here is an example of how one would CHANGE the translation of God's Word, which would then RESULT in a totally changed MEANING of God's Word: "In the beginning was the Word , and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god". See how changing the correct wording of WAS GOD to was a god would change the entire meaning of that scripture? One thing I will say again..... Christians have the Holy Spirit now indwelling them.... and BECAUSE THE HOLY SPIRIT DOES INDWELL A BELIEVER, that believer WILL BE ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TRUTH AND ERROR . ps.....Cowboy ,God does NOT have some hidden knowledge , stowed and kept secret from us somewhere... When GOD left us His Holy Word, GOD LEFT US EVERYTHING WE NEED TO KNOW.... and It's ALL CONTAINED WITHIN THAT HOLY BOOK CALLED THE BIBLE!!!

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 06/01/11 10:12 PM
Morningsong you are the perfect example of a person who worships the Bible.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Wed 06/01/11 10:13 PM
The life force of the entire universe is God's life force. It dwells in all things. All things. They do not have to "believe" in anything.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 06/01/11 10:16 PM
Allow me share an example of how a CHANGE in God's Word could be made , versus jut a translation. ( Now....IF a complete CHANGE is Made in God's Word, to ALTER IT'S MEANING....., it would makes the Word of God say something ENTIRELY DIFFERENT..and that is a dangerous thing before God to do) Here is an example of someone CHANGING GOD'S WORD: Here is the king james version.... john1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Now..using the same scripture above, here is an example of how one could CHANGE the translation of God's Word, which would then RESULT in a changed MEANING of God's Word: "In the beginning was the Word , and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god". See how changing the correct wording of ]WAS GOD to was a god would change the entire meaning of that scripture? One thing I will say again..... Christians have the Holy Spirit now indwelling them.... and BECAUSE THE HOLY SPIRIT DOES INDWELL A BELIEVER, that believer WILL BE ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TRUTH AND ERROR . ps.....Cowboy ,God does NOT have some hidden knowledge , stowed and kept secret from us somewhere... When GOD left us His Holy Word, GOD left us EVERYTHING we need to know.... and It's ALL CONTAINED WITHIN THAT HOLY BOOK CALLED THE BIBLE!!! What in the world are you talking about? Never said God hid anything from anyone. Yes, God did leave us his word, and his word alone. Nothing added, nothing subtracted. Why did you say that specifically to me? You've got me all confused now. Never said there was knowledge that God did not give us.