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Yes, from what I understand the Jews are still waiting for their messiah.
Very interesting Abra. |
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MorningSong wrote: Abra , hope this helps....   No. I took a look at a couple of those links and the excuses they are attempting to make for this are so absurd that they aren't even worth responding to, IMHO. There are far too many blatant contradictions working against them. You can't very well have Jesus and God being the same entity in these scriptural stories. They say things like, "The Father Judgeth no man, all judgment hath been committed to the Son". That already implies a difference between Jesus and God. You can't have Jesus crying out with his dying breath, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do", if Jesus and God are the same person. The biblical stories simply do not support the claims that are being made in the links you've provided. The people on those web sites are desperately trying to make excuses and claims in a desperate attempt to salvage their "religion", but the doctrines that their religion is based on simply won't allow for it. The contradictions in these stories cannot be made to go away. No matter how hard anyone might try. The stories are simply flawed. Now if you want to define a "Christian" as someone who merely follows the moral model of Jesus. That's a different story. But then in all fairness, the name of THAT religions should be changed to "Jesusism" or something like that to differentiate it from the "Judeo-Christian" belief that Jesus was "The Christ". |
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Edited by
Abracadabra
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Tue 05/17/11 04:50 PM
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Speaking of Jesusism,
I could qualify as a follower of the moral values held out be Jesus. I accept that Jesus lived, refuted Judaism, and was crucified. I also believe that Jesus taught the same moral values as the Buddha Siddhartha Gautama, Confucius, Lao Tzu, and others. So I wouldn't need to idol worship Jesus as a specific case. But rather simply recognize that the supreme mind of the universe communicates to us through various people, Jesus simply being one of them. In fact, I'm sure that there are literally hundreds and thousands of Buddhas. Jesus and the others I have mentioned were simply some of the more famous Buddhas in history. And just like those Buddhas, they aren't typically born enlightened, it may take some time for them to reach that level of understanding. Therefore anyone can become a Buddha at any moment.  <--- A hatching Buddha Ok, maybe you're a full-fledged fledgling.  Spreading your wings of enlightenment.  |
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the last tru christian i encountered screwed me big time. now that i think about it, can't recall ever being screwed by an athiest or agnostic. a few muslims, a jew or two, plenty of christians but nobody of no religion that i know of.
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Edited by
wux
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Tue 05/17/11 05:43 PM
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Bogie, I see you watch that bird above your head. I can almost read your thoughts: "Is that bird going to screw me?"
It does look horny don't it. What with the rhythmic pulsation of its wings, with the throbbing rhythm of its hip... It's one determined dynosaur that refuses to die out and it looks it's rev-rev-rev revvving up to prove just that. Heck, if my wife had been able to do that, I would never have left her. You know... fly. |
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He does look like he's keeping his eye on that bird.
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I also believe the bible was written in such a manner to where no one can clearly understand it. I believe that there are alot of contradictions in it and the reason why over 38,000 denominations have been created because of its confusing translations and contradictions.
Just think about it for a moment..... Why so many denominations? It is because the one who truly studied it found contradictions in it..... so they changed the bible around to create a new religion using with what the bible says. Thomas Jefferson even tried to take out the supernatural events out of it to make it sound more realistic. How far he got with it I don't know, but you can't admire the man enough for spending so much time trying. I truly believe Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. took the best parts of the bible, which is probably the experiences Jesus went through and used them for his own purpose. By the way Jeannie it is self evident that Martin Luther King had many activists with him that helped his calling and many before him who tried to fight for some rights for the blacks at the time. I agree with Abra that Jesusiasm would be the right movement in today's society and the religion should be called that. Christianity has died with Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and I am aware that most people will not agree with me, but for me it has ended there. Are there good people who practice Christianity. Sure there are. I am not saying that 2 billion people that worship a mediterrenean mythology are bad people, just like the 1.6 billion muslims are bad either.....although I wish they would get their heads out of the stone age philosophies they worship each day. They are simple and good people that just believe in a religion that should have been thrown into the mythological vault a long time ago. Jesusiasm could be the new movement that unites the many denominations to one. Maybe it will be a more peaceful movement if they practice the true values of what Jesus taught and not the false notions of what Jews wrote about him to have tried to revive the old testament. In the end yes Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. the last true christian has taken the religion with him. So Christians change your title to Jesusiasm and try to unite the 38,000 denominations with the values Jesus taught. Afterall, they are probably the values Buddha taught in his missing years. |
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i thought MLK was Lutheran?... isn't that a form of Catholicism?
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Edited by
greeneyeman
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Tue 05/17/11 08:05 PM
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i thought MLK was Lutheran?... isn't that a form of Catholicism? Baptist if I recall....but it doesn't matter. It is a religion all from the same book that is changed and translated so many times that it ended up having over 38,000 denominations. In the end, in my opinion...the only thing good you can get out of that book is what Jesus taught in his journey's and experiences. The rest is just a fairy tale fiction that can be discarded into the mythological vault. I mean even the supernatural events Jesus did shouldn't even be taken serious. It is more about (for me at least) on what he was trying to do as a human being. I also don't believe he is the son of god or THE god himself or any of that. I rather just take out the lessons he was trying to show to the Jews at the time that worshipped the old testament, which is a more harsher style of worshipping a God of Gods who wants obedience. Of course this is how I feel about it and am aware that more then 2 billion don't agree with. Fortunately, I live in a time where I don't have to follow the mass horde of people to be accepted in society. So yes if you want to take anything good out of that book then perhaps some of the attempts Jesus was trying to teach to his people. For example instead of a eye for eye, or tooth for tooth...but to turn your cheek and walk away is one way to avoid problems in the world. |
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Edited by
greeneyeman
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Tue 05/17/11 08:03 PM
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I wanted to add that I am amazed how so many christians don't know where Lutheran comes from or let alone the different denominations of christianity.
In Germany there was a monk who found the courage to challenge the catholic church and nailed new rules to give those that had failed the canon laws from the catholics and give another chance to those that have failed those laws to be forgiven by god as a sinner. I think one of those new laws is to forgive those that have not stayed married with his or her partner and another chance to marry again. I think there are 14 changes that this individual monk posted at the Witenberg Castle at the time. Although the Catholic Church didn't take the new theses seriously, many followers did and before you know it the movement was big enough to have the splitting of opinion on what is taught in the bible, which led to the first beginnings of a different belief and rules for the bible. Martin Luther was the name of the Monk Luther = Lutheran but no I think Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was a Baptist. It is from the same book but new changes were made that fitted the community of the area at the time. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Tue 05/17/11 10:01 PM
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LOVE the dove, Abra...thought I'd borrow it here.    Greeneyeman....again ,I refer to this website ..... No other website I know provides answers to questions asked, that are as soundly based on bibical truths. http://www.gotquestions.org/denominations-Christian.html http://www.gotquestions.org/interpretations-Christian.html http://www.gotquestions.org/Protestant-denominations.html http://www.gotquestions.org/non-denominational-church.html |
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huh.. i was always under the impression that being a christian is different than being a baptist, and catholic... so even tho their views are entirely different, they are all considered Christians? that doesn't make any sense to me...
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Tue 05/17/11 10:30 PM
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MightyMoe..ALL denominations
(including interdenominational and nondenominational christians} , AGREE on the CORE BASIC TRUTHS of the Bible. However, there are/ may be some MINOR doctrinal issues that different denominations may DISAGREE on ( which are rather petty as far as I can see }. But again , that doesn't mean they disagree on the BASIC CORE TRUTHS of THE BIBLE. And nothing is changed in the bible... NO denomination (including nondenomination interdenomination) changes or adds or detracts anything in the bible!! There are however , some cults that DO leave out parts of the bible, and change the CORE beliefs. But These cults have teachings that are their own, and are not based on what the bible teaches. AT ALL. Revelation 22:18-19 (King James Version) 18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. |
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....brainwashed.
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MightyMoe..ALL denominations (including interdenominational and nondenominational christians} , AGREE on the CORE BASIC TRUTHS of the Bible. However, there are/ may be some MINOR doctrinal issues that different denominations may DISAGREE on ( which are rather petty as far as I can see }. But again , that doesn't mean they disagree on the BASIC CORE TRUTHS of THE BIBLE. And nothing is changed in the bible... NO denomination (including nondenomination interdenomination) changes or adds or detracts anything in the bible!! There are however , some cults that DO leave out parts of the bible, and change the CORE beliefs. But These cults have teachings that are their own, and are not based on what the bible teaches. AT ALL. Revelation 22:18-19 (King James Version) 18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. umm.. even i know the bible has been changed to suit there needs countless times... even the "ten" commandments was edited down from over 600... |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Tue 05/17/11 11:22 PM
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Yes Dan, some people can be just brainwashed by
religion, simply because they have never had a relationship with Jesus Christ yet(salvation).... This is usually because no one teaches them .... and they never pick up the bible for themselves. Sadly, some churches are just dead churches....with no power of God moving within , whatsoever.....just dead religion. But the time is coming, where all this will change. God is not coming back for a dead church.... God is coming back for a live on fire for God church. Revival is already happening....the church is beginning to wake up !!!
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 05/17/11 11:23 PM
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I also believe the bible was written in such a manner to where no one can clearly understand it. I believe that there are alot of contradictions in it and the reason why over 38,000 denominations have been created because of its confusing translations and contradictions. Just think about it for a moment..... Why so many denominations? It is because the one who truly studied it found contradictions in it..... so they changed the bible around to create a new religion using with what the bible says. Thomas Jefferson even tried to take out the supernatural events out of it to make it sound more realistic. How far he got with it I don't know, but you can't admire the man enough for spending so much time trying. I truly believe Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. took the best parts of the bible, which is probably the experiences Jesus went through and used them for his own purpose. By the way Jeannie it is self evident that Martin Luther King had many activists with him that helped his calling and many before him who tried to fight for some rights for the blacks at the time. I agree with Abra that Jesusiasm would be the right movement in today's society and the religion should be called that. Christianity has died with Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and I am aware that most people will not agree with me, but for me it has ended there. Are there good people who practice Christianity. Sure there are. I am not saying that 2 billion people that worship a mediterrenean mythology are bad people, just like the 1.6 billion muslims are bad either.....although I wish they would get their heads out of the stone age philosophies they worship each day. They are simple and good people that just believe in a religion that should have been thrown into the mythological vault a long time ago. Jesusiasm could be the new movement that unites the many denominations to one. Maybe it will be a more peaceful movement if they practice the true values of what Jesus taught and not the false notions of what Jews wrote about him to have tried to revive the old testament. In the end yes Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. the last true christian has taken the religion with him. So Christians change your title to Jesusiasm and try to unite the 38,000 denominations with the values Jesus taught. Afterall, they are probably the values Buddha taught in his missing years. If they did that, they would have to give up their wars and stop assassinating people. They would have to love their enemies. I don't know if they even want to do that. Its very sad. |
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...living a lie
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I'm sure if people looked only at the observable behavor of others, that "Christian" behaviors could be attributed to just about everyone in the world.
Sadly, according to most Christians, these actions have little to do with whether one is a Christian or not and cosequently, whether one will be 'saved' or not. Judgement of others occurs in many ways, and every human has a tendency to make such judgements, but many Christians judge both behavior and cognition (what others think)and in this way they make both a fundamental attribution error and the error of self-serving bias. MLK did neither and he was a self-proclaimed Christian, but there are many others whose actions and charachter are similar and even without Christian "beliefs" they are more Christian that most who claim the title. |
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