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Topic: Is there ever a reason to fear?
AndyBgood's photo
Wed 04/27/11 02:29 PM
People would say the only thing to fear is fear itself. I have learned over time that a little fear is a survival tool. It keeps us on our toes for danger. A lot leads to paranoia. But her lies the grand question, when is it fear or paranoia.

When it comes to Islam many here would act like there is no reason to fear it. But this comes from people who in general have never picked up a copy of the Quaran. The Quaran outlines their conduct towards those not of their religion or way of life. Unless you read it everything I say will only fall on deaf ears. this should be noted that this is EXACTLY like Europe in the mid 1930's when an Austrian was sitting in a prison and met with three men who later founded the Nazi Party in Germany. The Author was Adolph Hitler and his book was Mein Kamph or in English , My Struggle.

It outlined everything Hitler wanted to accomplish and how he wanted to rise to power. Intellectuals laughed at the book and acted like Hitler was not going anywhere with it. Unfortunately in 1934 when Hitler did rise to power the world did not take him or Germany Seriously. By 1938 EVERYONE began to sweat when Hitler and Germany began to conquer Europe. By 1941 ALL of us were sucked into WWII.

So back to Islam. The Quaran spells out everything pretty clearly. Women are property with NO rights what so ever. Clerics are above the law, pedophilia is acceptable as long as you own the child as property, and it is right and just to them to do anything they wish to infidels who are not of their religion. There is no exception. if you refuse to embrace Islam YOU are an infidel. the Quaran clearly says it is right to kill, steal from, tax, harm, torture, oppress, and do a host of other vicious and cold blooded shitte to any non Islamic just becasue they are not of Islam. There is no freedom of choice in that faith either.

So is fear of Islam paranoia or justified. Well, looking around the world and seeing what is happening in nations which are strongly Islamic like Egypt, Indonesia, and many others Islam proves itself a threat to any and all of other faiths.

In my humble opinion Fear of Islam is totally justified. Ask anyone who thought Hitler was a joke before the joke was pulled on them instead when Nazis took over Germany!

:banana:

Islam is a religion of HATE. Nothing more!

mightymoe's photo
Wed 04/27/11 02:38 PM

In my humble opinion Fear of Islam is totally justified. Ask anyone who thought Hitler was a joke before the joke was pulled on them instead when Nazis took over Germany!


France and Poland, some of Africa, and other European countries... and wow, just like today, how many countries in Europe and Africa are Muslim now that were not 20 years ago?

metalwing's photo
Wed 04/27/11 02:40 PM
I just looked up "Why do Muslims hate us?" on google to see what popped up. There were many many different views of why the hate exists, the cause, sometimes even the cure; but little that indicated that the problem didn't exist.

IMHO it somewhat like the Hatfields and the McCoys. People learn to hate from their family. Sometimes it goes on for generations. The hate between the Arabs and the Jews has gone on almost as long as civilization has existed.

The friend of your enemy is your enemy.
The enemy of your enemy is your friend.

Sometimes it is not very complicated.

mightymoe's photo
Wed 04/27/11 02:42 PM

I just looked up "Why do Muslims hate us?" on google to see what popped up. There were many many different views of why the hate exists, the cause, sometimes even the cure; but little that indicated that the problem didn't exist.

IMHO it somewhat like the Hatfields and the McCoys. People learn to hate from their family. Sometimes it goes on for generations. The hate between the Arabs and the Jews has gone on almost as long as civilization has existed.

The friend of your enemy is your enemy.
The enemy of your enemy is your friend.

Sometimes it is not very complicated.


i guess flying 3 loaded airliners into buildings had nothing to do with it either...

Dragoness's photo
Wed 04/27/11 02:43 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Wed 04/27/11 02:45 PM

People would say the only thing to fear is fear itself. I have learned over time that a little fear is a survival tool. It keeps us on our toes for danger. A lot leads to paranoia. But her lies the grand question, when is it fear or paranoia.

When it comes to Islam many here would act like there is no reason to fear it. But this comes from people who in general have never picked up a copy of the Quaran. The Quaran outlines their conduct towards those not of their religion or way of life. Unless you read it everything I say will only fall on deaf ears. this should be noted that this is EXACTLY like Europe in the mid 1930's when an Austrian was sitting in a prison and met with three men who later founded the Nazi Party in Germany. The Author was Adolph Hitler and his book was Mein Kamph or in English , My Struggle.

It outlined everything Hitler wanted to accomplish and how he wanted to rise to power. Intellectuals laughed at the book and acted like Hitler was not going anywhere with it. Unfortunately in 1934 when Hitler did rise to power the world did not take him or Germany Seriously. By 1938 EVERYONE began to sweat when Hitler and Germany began to conquer Europe. By 1941 ALL of us were sucked into WWII.

So back to Islam. The Quaran spells out everything pretty clearly. Women are property with NO rights what so ever. Clerics are above the law, pedophilia is acceptable as long as you own the child as property, and it is right and just to them to do anything they wish to infidels who are not of their religion. There is no exception. if you refuse to embrace Islam YOU are an infidel. the Quaran clearly says it is right to kill, steal from, tax, harm, torture, oppress, and do a host of other vicious and cold blooded shitte to any non Islamic just becasue they are not of Islam. There is no freedom of choice in that faith either.

So is fear of Islam paranoia or justified. Well, looking around the world and seeing what is happening in nations which are strongly Islamic like Egypt, Indonesia, and many others Islam proves itself a threat to any and all of other faiths.

In my humble opinion Fear of Islam is totally justified. Ask anyone who thought Hitler was a joke before the joke was pulled on them instead when Nazis took over Germany!

:banana:

Islam is a religion of HATE. Nothing more!


Just as much as Christianity is.

Any religion that says they are the only one true way and all others are wrong is a method for hatred.

msharmony's photo
Wed 04/27/11 02:52 PM
I dont fear any religion. I fear the capacity of men to interpret religion to their own ends.

A cute little exercise in futility. I googled most PEACEFUL countries AND countries with a muslim majority


guess how many of those muslim majority countries ranked MORE PEACEFUL Than the good old christian US?

14


so much for the inherent evilness of muslim people,,,

mightymoe's photo
Wed 04/27/11 02:53 PM
Any religion that says they are the only one true way and all others are wrong is a method for hatred.



couldn't agree more
drinker

mightymoe's photo
Wed 04/27/11 02:54 PM

I dont fear any religion. I fear the capacity of men to interpret religion to their own ends.

A cute little exercise in futility. I googled most PEACEFUL countries AND countries with a muslim majority


guess how many of those muslim majority countries ranked MORE PEACEFUL Than the good old christian US?

14


so much for the inherent evilness of muslim people,,,


well, if there is 98% muslim, who is there to fight? check the countries that are below 50% and see..

msharmony's photo
Wed 04/27/11 02:57 PM

I just looked up "Why do Muslims hate us?" on google to see what popped up. There were many many different views of why the hate exists, the cause, sometimes even the cure; but little that indicated that the problem didn't exist.

IMHO it somewhat like the Hatfields and the McCoys. People learn to hate from their family. Sometimes it goes on for generations. The hate between the Arabs and the Jews has gone on almost as long as civilization has existed.

The friend of your enemy is your enemy.
The enemy of your enemy is your friend.

Sometimes it is not very complicated.




its actually very complicated, because it means everyone has to be either your enemy or your friend

because, the friend of your enemy is your enemy(so all their friends and the friends of those friends,,etc,,,become your enemy)

or the enemy of your enemy is your friend( so all the enemies of those enemies, and the enemies of those,,etc,, become your friend)

msharmony's photo
Wed 04/27/11 02:59 PM


I dont fear any religion. I fear the capacity of men to interpret religion to their own ends.

A cute little exercise in futility. I googled most PEACEFUL countries AND countries with a muslim majority


guess how many of those muslim majority countries ranked MORE PEACEFUL Than the good old christian US?

14


so much for the inherent evilness of muslim people,,,


well, if there is 98% muslim, who is there to fight? check the countries that are below 50% and see..


they dont all have a majority in the nineties, just over fifty percent

and if its not over fifty percent, it can hardly be said to be a muslim majority country,,so how can we lay any blame any absolute blame on muslims in countries where they are actually the minority?

no photo
Wed 04/27/11 03:33 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 04/27/11 03:35 PM
There is no need to fear a backwards religion like Islam who dominates and owns females because... (and this is going to make you really laugh...but it is probably true.)

...because the aliens that are infiltrating this planet worship a female deity and are ruled by a female Queen. All male dominated religions will fall by the way side. Islam will be the first to go, then Christianity. Women will rule. The world will worship a female Goddess.... or die.

Its not going to be pretty either.

mightymoe's photo
Wed 04/27/11 04:17 PM
Edited by mightymoe on Wed 04/27/11 04:17 PM


I just looked up "Why do Muslims hate us?" on google to see what popped up. There were many many different views of why the hate exists, the cause, sometimes even the cure; but little that indicated that the problem didn't exist.

IMHO it somewhat like the Hatfields and the McCoys. People learn to hate from their family. Sometimes it goes on for generations. The hate between the Arabs and the Jews has gone on almost as long as civilization has existed.

The friend of your enemy is your enemy.
The enemy of your enemy is your friend.

Sometimes it is not very complicated.




its actually very complicated, because it means everyone has to be either your enemy or your friend

because, the friend of your enemy is your enemy(so all their friends and the friends of those friends,,etc,,,become your enemy)

or the enemy of your enemy is your friend( so all the enemies of those enemies, and the enemies of those,,etc,, become your friend)


it's not complicated at all... if you study the problem, which you have already said yourself you haven't, you'll see they are slowly taking over the smaller countries all over the world. when someone declares you as infidel, and their religion says all those that don't worship allah is an infidel, where does that get complicated?

metalwing's photo
Wed 04/27/11 04:32 PM


I just looked up "Why do Muslims hate us?" on google to see what popped up. There were many many different views of why the hate exists, the cause, sometimes even the cure; but little that indicated that the problem didn't exist.

IMHO it somewhat like the Hatfields and the McCoys. People learn to hate from their family. Sometimes it goes on for generations. The hate between the Arabs and the Jews has gone on almost as long as civilization has existed.

The friend of your enemy is your enemy.
The enemy of your enemy is your friend.

Sometimes it is not very complicated.




its actually very complicated, because it means everyone has to be either your enemy or your friend

because, the friend of your enemy is your enemy(so all their friends and the friends of those friends,,etc,,,become your enemy)

or the enemy of your enemy is your friend( so all the enemies of those enemies, and the enemies of those,,etc,, become your friend)


You seem to have missed the point completely.

It isn't complicated to them. Refer current Saudi attitude towards Obama/USA.

mightymoe's photo
Wed 04/27/11 04:36 PM



I dont fear any religion. I fear the capacity of men to interpret religion to their own ends.

A cute little exercise in futility. I googled most PEACEFUL countries AND countries with a muslim majority


guess how many of those muslim majority countries ranked MORE PEACEFUL Than the good old christian US?

14


so much for the inherent evilness of muslim people,,,


well, if there is 98% muslim, who is there to fight? check the countries that are below 50% and see..


they dont all have a majority in the nineties, just over fifty percent

and if its not over fifty percent, it can hardly be said to be a muslim majority country,,so how can we lay any blame any absolute blame on muslims in countries where they are actually the minority?


true, but how did they become a majority then?

mightymoe's photo
Wed 04/27/11 04:38 PM

There is no need to fear a backwards religion like Islam who dominates and owns females because... (and this is going to make you really laugh...but it is probably true.)

...because the aliens that are infiltrating this planet worship a female deity and are ruled by a female Queen. All male dominated religions will fall by the way side. Islam will be the first to go, then Christianity. Women will rule. The world will worship a female Goddess.... or die.

Its not going to be pretty either.


well, when the alien queens start taking over the world, we will deal with then too... we can sex them to death
drool drool

msharmony's photo
Wed 04/27/11 04:54 PM



I just looked up "Why do Muslims hate us?" on google to see what popped up. There were many many different views of why the hate exists, the cause, sometimes even the cure; but little that indicated that the problem didn't exist.

IMHO it somewhat like the Hatfields and the McCoys. People learn to hate from their family. Sometimes it goes on for generations. The hate between the Arabs and the Jews has gone on almost as long as civilization has existed.

The friend of your enemy is your enemy.
The enemy of your enemy is your friend.

Sometimes it is not very complicated.




its actually very complicated, because it means everyone has to be either your enemy or your friend

because, the friend of your enemy is your enemy(so all their friends and the friends of those friends,,etc,,,become your enemy)

or the enemy of your enemy is your friend( so all the enemies of those enemies, and the enemies of those,,etc,, become your friend)


it's not complicated at all... if you study the problem, which you have already said yourself you haven't, you'll see they are slowly taking over the smaller countries all over the world. when someone declares you as infidel, and their religion says all those that don't worship allah is an infidel, where does that get complicated?



when you actually take in the verses , like this one

Those who believe (in the Qur’an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. (2: 62)



,,which is arguably(like christian verses), believed by some to refer to those who existed in MOHAMMEDS time and not everyone throughout time, and believed by others to refer to those people everywhere at all times,,,

msharmony's photo
Wed 04/27/11 04:56 PM




I dont fear any religion. I fear the capacity of men to interpret religion to their own ends.

A cute little exercise in futility. I googled most PEACEFUL countries AND countries with a muslim majority


guess how many of those muslim majority countries ranked MORE PEACEFUL Than the good old christian US?

14


so much for the inherent evilness of muslim people,,,


well, if there is 98% muslim, who is there to fight? check the countries that are below 50% and see..


they dont all have a majority in the nineties, just over fifty percent

and if its not over fifty percent, it can hardly be said to be a muslim majority country,,so how can we lay any blame any absolute blame on muslims in countries where they are actually the minority?


true, but how did they become a majority then?



the same ways christians do,,,sometimes wars, sometimes conversion, sometimes immigration,,,,etc,,,

mightymoe's photo
Wed 04/27/11 04:59 PM




I just looked up "Why do Muslims hate us?" on google to see what popped up. There were many many different views of why the hate exists, the cause, sometimes even the cure; but little that indicated that the problem didn't exist.

IMHO it somewhat like the Hatfields and the McCoys. People learn to hate from their family. Sometimes it goes on for generations. The hate between the Arabs and the Jews has gone on almost as long as civilization has existed.

The friend of your enemy is your enemy.
The enemy of your enemy is your friend.

Sometimes it is not very complicated.




its actually very complicated, because it means everyone has to be either your enemy or your friend

because, the friend of your enemy is your enemy(so all their friends and the friends of those friends,,etc,,,become your enemy)

or the enemy of your enemy is your friend( so all the enemies of those enemies, and the enemies of those,,etc,, become your friend)


it's not complicated at all... if you study the problem, which you have already said yourself you haven't, you'll see they are slowly taking over the smaller countries all over the world. when someone declares you as infidel, and their religion says all those that don't worship allah is an infidel, where does that get complicated?



when you actually take in the verses , like this one

Those who believe (in the Qur’an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. (2: 62)



,,which is arguably(like christian verses), believed by some to refer to those who existed in MOHAMMEDS time and not everyone throughout time, and believed by others to refer to those people everywhere at all times,,,

where did that verse come from?

msharmony's photo
Wed 04/27/11 04:59 PM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 04/27/11 05:02 PM





I just looked up "Why do Muslims hate us?" on google to see what popped up. There were many many different views of why the hate exists, the cause, sometimes even the cure; but little that indicated that the problem didn't exist.

IMHO it somewhat like the Hatfields and the McCoys. People learn to hate from their family. Sometimes it goes on for generations. The hate between the Arabs and the Jews has gone on almost as long as civilization has existed.

The friend of your enemy is your enemy.
The enemy of your enemy is your friend.

Sometimes it is not very complicated.




its actually very complicated, because it means everyone has to be either your enemy or your friend

because, the friend of your enemy is your enemy(so all their friends and the friends of those friends,,etc,,,become your enemy)

or the enemy of your enemy is your friend( so all the enemies of those enemies, and the enemies of those,,etc,, become your friend)


it's not complicated at all... if you study the problem, which you have already said yourself you haven't, you'll see they are slowly taking over the smaller countries all over the world. when someone declares you as infidel, and their religion says all those that don't worship allah is an infidel, where does that get complicated?



when you actually take in the verses , like this one

Those who believe (in the Qur’an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. (2: 62)



,,which is arguably(like christian verses), believed by some to refer to those who existed in MOHAMMEDS time and not everyone throughout time, and believed by others to refer to those people everywhere at all times,,,

where did that verse come from?



the Quran

\http://www.jannah.org/qurantrans/quran2.html\

mightymoe's photo
Wed 04/27/11 05:01 PM






I just looked up "Why do Muslims hate us?" on google to see what popped up. There were many many different views of why the hate exists, the cause, sometimes even the cure; but little that indicated that the problem didn't exist.

IMHO it somewhat like the Hatfields and the McCoys. People learn to hate from their family. Sometimes it goes on for generations. The hate between the Arabs and the Jews has gone on almost as long as civilization has existed.

The friend of your enemy is your enemy.
The enemy of your enemy is your friend.

Sometimes it is not very complicated.




its actually very complicated, because it means everyone has to be either your enemy or your friend

because, the friend of your enemy is your enemy(so all their friends and the friends of those friends,,etc,,,become your enemy)

or the enemy of your enemy is your friend( so all the enemies of those enemies, and the enemies of those,,etc,, become your friend)


it's not complicated at all... if you study the problem, which you have already said yourself you haven't, you'll see they are slowly taking over the smaller countries all over the world. when someone declares you as infidel, and their religion says all those that don't worship allah is an infidel, where does that get complicated?



when you actually take in the verses , like this one

Those who believe (in the Qur’an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. (2: 62)



,,which is arguably(like christian verses), believed by some to refer to those who existed in MOHAMMEDS time and not everyone throughout time, and believed by others to refer to those people everywhere at all times,,,

where did that verse come from?



the Quran


that is actually a good verse... to bad they skim over that one

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