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Topic: Sarah Palin is actually the grandmother of Trig
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Sun 04/17/11 10:31 AM





More on Palin.

No 44 year old woman, pregnant for the fifth time with a special-needs child would make the decisions she made, and no doctor would support them. She traveled out of state during the 35th week of her pregnancy. After experiencing premature rupture of membranes and some contractions, she waited nearly ten hours to give a speech then traveled nearly twelve hours more, taking two separate flights both of which had flight times of around four hours, with a layover of approximately two hours in between. Expected duration of labor for someone with Gov. Palin's history (four previous vaginal births) would be 6 hours +/- 3.6 hours. It was not only "possible" that she would give birth long before she arrived back in Alaska, it was probable. And, while it's just barely believable that she would remain at a conference and wait to give a speech she was "determined to give" (since a modern hospital was only minutes away), there's no way one can apply this same reasoning to her subsequently getting on an airplane for two separate four-hour flights.

Yet, after somehow beating the statistics on the flights, once arriving in Anchorage, she did not drive to the only hospital in the state (Providence) with a neonatal intensive care unit (six miles from the airport) where her doctor had privileges. Instead, she drove an hour to a small regional health facility (only 39 beds in the whole hospital).

By the time she arrived there, she met five high-risk obstetric criteria:
*she was 44 (anything above 40(some sources say 37 or 39)) is considered high-risk due to maternal age;
* she was carrying a known high-risk infant;
*she was considered "grand multiparous" (five or more viable pregnancies);
* she was in labor at 35-36 weeks (anything before 37 weeks is considered pre term);
* her amniotic sac had been ruptured nearly 24 hours.

Yet, the hospital that she is reported to have given birth at does no high risk obstetrics at all; even twins are not allowed to be born there. She had as her physician a family practice doctor who is reported on the hospital's web site as having done only three births in the previous two years!

None of these choices makes sense. Taken all together, it's ridiculous. And, to repeat, we're also supposed to believe that somewhere there is a doctor who went along with all this.

With this as the "starting point," then you have to start looking at all the other coincidences. Any one of these items, alone, could be easily shrugged off. Without a birth story that resembles Mr. Toad's Wild Ride more than anything else, one of two of these would be insignificant. But, all of this together? What are the chances?
* Gov. Palin never looked pregnant at all before the announcement, and even afterward people had their doubts. (One writer in the Anchorage Daily News asked facetiously one week after Gov. Palin's announcement, when she would have been around seven months, "Where is she hiding that baby? In her pocket?"), yet we have a photograph of her in her first pregnancy in which she looks... very conspicuously pregnant.
*Rumors existed before Gov. Palin announced her pregnancy on March 6th that Bristol was expecting. This has been confirmed by Palin's own spokesman. What did Palin do to counteract them? She told at least one person that it wasn't true. Wouldn’t it have been a lot more effective to appear in public – just one time - with your non-pregnant daughter?
*Bristol was removed from one school in late fall 2007, attended a second one sporadically until Christmas, but then was apparently out due to "mono" from Christmas on. (Correction: Further investigation has tracked down a credible sources that states as follows: Bristol Palin attended Wasilla High School for the fall semester, 2007. After the Christmas Holiday break she attended West High School in Anchorage for January and February 2008. She was removed from Anchorage West High School around March 1, 2008. The reason given among her friends that she had "finished early" due to taking "distance learning classes." I cannot find any "original" source for the idea that Bristol Palin had mono at any point. It was stated in the original Daily Kos blog / diary that broke the story on August 31, 2008, and seems to have been repeated widely, but the original source for this was and still is unknown to me.)
*Not one photo of the Palin family has been released from around the time of the birth, even though Palin has stated that all three of the Palin daughters were at the hospital.
*Palin's doctor, beyond some very brief (and frankly non-convincing) statements made last April in the first 2-3 days after the birth, has never once been willing to give the simplest statement to the press. Wouldn't having your doctor, perhaps accompanied by the hospital's CEO, do a press conference and announcing "Yes, I was at the birth of Trig Palin on April 18th, 2008, and Sarah Palin is Trig's biological mother." be preferable to telling the whole world that your seventeen-year-old daughter is pregnant? Wouldn't the doctor want to do that in the face of "ridiculous" "hurtful" and "insulting" rumors, and to spare Bristol the notoriety of becoming the most famous pregnant teen in America? Apparently not.
*Alaska Air officials, faced with the announcement of the birth on April 18th, made a point of stating that Sarah Palin's "stage of pregnancy" was not obvious on the flight the night before, nor were there any signs of labor or distress. They specifically called a news conference to do this.
*Gov. Palin has already been caught in numerous lies, exaggerations and "flip-flops" regarding the birth. She herself gave varying accounts in the first few days after the birth. She and her doctor put out statements concerning their interaction during the labor which contradicted each other directly. More recently, she told People Magazine (and others) that Willow spotted and asked about Trig's Down's syndrome as soon as she saw him in the hospital, which directly contradicts a statement given to the Anchorage Daily News three days after the birth which was that "you can't tell by looking" at that point that Trig has Down's.

Photos exist of a pregnant Gov. Palin that have widely touted as settling the issue as well. They do nothing of the sort. The allegation is that she faked a pregnancy. To fake a pregnancy one would have to do more than just talk; one would have to, at some point, look pregnant. Therefore, photos of her looking pregnant prove nothing. We would expect that there would be some photos of this nature. This never seems to occur to those who have turned to these photos as proof. However, curiously, these photos do show one thing: careful analysis of those that do exist from the period of 3/6 to 4/17 show an inexplicable variation in size, shape, and positioning of the pregnancy. Two photos exist taken only three days apart just ten days before the birth. In one Gov. Palin can barely get her arms and hands around her noticeably pregnant belly; in the other, she does so easily.

http://www.palindeception.com/


*shrug* don't care ...

But you should know, the reason she stepped down from being the Governor is because of ridiculous accusations that the state paid to defend her. The legal fees were costing tax payers millions a year just because liberals didn't like her. The legal fees were like 25 - 50 times the expense of paying her to be the governor. It doesn't surprise me at all that she just refuses to acknowledge there is a "debate" on whether or not she actually is the mom. She won't go through all the ridiculous steps the libs will demand to prove she is the mom when in her history of defending stupid ridiculous claims is that - it doesn't matter if you can prove the claim false. People will believe it anyway and claim there is a conspiracy to cover up the truth after the fact. Is there any proof that could be provided now that you would accept as evidence she is the mom? Wouldn't you turn around and question the integrity of the person providing the evidence saying they were paid off to say that? Then you will pull out all the points you just made here and say that piece of evidence doesn't explain other "evidence" you have that she is not the mom and once again conclude she is committing fraud and now coercion to get this doctor to say that, or the photo was edited or whatever the case may be. So, rather than deflating your argument, it would only give you more ammunition to fire at her.

That has happened to her on a monthly basis while she was the governor. She was highly criticized for everything she did, including things she did while on vacation. While on vacation, she was on a fishing trip. A reporter cornered her to ask questions on the latest smear of her reputation. She was dressed casual as anyone on vacation would be who is going fishing. She had a shirt on advertising a fishing company that her husband had an interest in. Within a month, there were legal fees paid to defend her from attacks on her wearing a shirt advertising a business her husband had an interest in.
quiters can allways rationolize their actions.


rofl rofl rofl rofl

No rebuttal? That is all you have?

Anyone can rationalize their actions to defend the comments and beliefs they have. Saying that doesn't mean anything.

She made the decisions she made and I can only assume the reason she made them is what she said was the reason. I am not her or in her mind so I can only go off of what she said.

You make it sound like she decided to "come up" with this idea after. She stated it before she left office. When the news picked up the story and looked at her pay vs legal expenses you know what they found? They found that yes, she is correct and concluded Palin should pay her own legal fees as they were personal attacks against her!!! The Liberals were making personal attacks against her solely because she was the governor. I am pretty sure they wouldn't have slandered her the way they did if she never held a public office, I could be wrong though. So, she had legal fees for personal attacks only because she was the governor and the press decided that she should pay for her own legal fees. The Liberals LOVED that idea. The ones in congress tried to see if they could nail her with the legal fees.

rofl rofl rofl
Dont be a rube she left office early because she could make more money haveing a ghost writer do a book and doing speaking tours like some type of televangalist.

Give her credit though she has managed to turn a fast buck fleecing the sheep.



I tend to think its more probable she left office to earn more money(14 million since leaving office), than that she was outraged over 2.5 million in legal fees which are actually pretty standard for ANYONE running in a vp election and started BEFORE she was picked for vp nominee. Especially considering the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS invested in the bridge to nowhere before she finally 'gave up' on it.

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Sun 04/17/11 05:20 PM






More on Palin.

No 44 year old woman, pregnant for the fifth time with a special-needs child would make the decisions she made, and no doctor would support them. She traveled out of state during the 35th week of her pregnancy. After experiencing premature rupture of membranes and some contractions, she waited nearly ten hours to give a speech then traveled nearly twelve hours more, taking two separate flights both of which had flight times of around four hours, with a layover of approximately two hours in between. Expected duration of labor for someone with Gov. Palin's history (four previous vaginal births) would be 6 hours +/- 3.6 hours. It was not only "possible" that she would give birth long before she arrived back in Alaska, it was probable. And, while it's just barely believable that she would remain at a conference and wait to give a speech she was "determined to give" (since a modern hospital was only minutes away), there's no way one can apply this same reasoning to her subsequently getting on an airplane for two separate four-hour flights.

Yet, after somehow beating the statistics on the flights, once arriving in Anchorage, she did not drive to the only hospital in the state (Providence) with a neonatal intensive care unit (six miles from the airport) where her doctor had privileges. Instead, she drove an hour to a small regional health facility (only 39 beds in the whole hospital).

By the time she arrived there, she met five high-risk obstetric criteria:
*she was 44 (anything above 40(some sources say 37 or 39)) is considered high-risk due to maternal age;
* she was carrying a known high-risk infant;
*she was considered "grand multiparous" (five or more viable pregnancies);
* she was in labor at 35-36 weeks (anything before 37 weeks is considered pre term);
* her amniotic sac had been ruptured nearly 24 hours.

Yet, the hospital that she is reported to have given birth at does no high risk obstetrics at all; even twins are not allowed to be born there. She had as her physician a family practice doctor who is reported on the hospital's web site as having done only three births in the previous two years!

None of these choices makes sense. Taken all together, it's ridiculous. And, to repeat, we're also supposed to believe that somewhere there is a doctor who went along with all this.

With this as the "starting point," then you have to start looking at all the other coincidences. Any one of these items, alone, could be easily shrugged off. Without a birth story that resembles Mr. Toad's Wild Ride more than anything else, one of two of these would be insignificant. But, all of this together? What are the chances?
* Gov. Palin never looked pregnant at all before the announcement, and even afterward people had their doubts. (One writer in the Anchorage Daily News asked facetiously one week after Gov. Palin's announcement, when she would have been around seven months, "Where is she hiding that baby? In her pocket?"), yet we have a photograph of her in her first pregnancy in which she looks... very conspicuously pregnant.
*Rumors existed before Gov. Palin announced her pregnancy on March 6th that Bristol was expecting. This has been confirmed by Palin's own spokesman. What did Palin do to counteract them? She told at least one person that it wasn't true. Wouldn’t it have been a lot more effective to appear in public – just one time - with your non-pregnant daughter?
*Bristol was removed from one school in late fall 2007, attended a second one sporadically until Christmas, but then was apparently out due to "mono" from Christmas on. (Correction: Further investigation has tracked down a credible sources that states as follows: Bristol Palin attended Wasilla High School for the fall semester, 2007. After the Christmas Holiday break she attended West High School in Anchorage for January and February 2008. She was removed from Anchorage West High School around March 1, 2008. The reason given among her friends that she had "finished early" due to taking "distance learning classes." I cannot find any "original" source for the idea that Bristol Palin had mono at any point. It was stated in the original Daily Kos blog / diary that broke the story on August 31, 2008, and seems to have been repeated widely, but the original source for this was and still is unknown to me.)
*Not one photo of the Palin family has been released from around the time of the birth, even though Palin has stated that all three of the Palin daughters were at the hospital.
*Palin's doctor, beyond some very brief (and frankly non-convincing) statements made last April in the first 2-3 days after the birth, has never once been willing to give the simplest statement to the press. Wouldn't having your doctor, perhaps accompanied by the hospital's CEO, do a press conference and announcing "Yes, I was at the birth of Trig Palin on April 18th, 2008, and Sarah Palin is Trig's biological mother." be preferable to telling the whole world that your seventeen-year-old daughter is pregnant? Wouldn't the doctor want to do that in the face of "ridiculous" "hurtful" and "insulting" rumors, and to spare Bristol the notoriety of becoming the most famous pregnant teen in America? Apparently not.
*Alaska Air officials, faced with the announcement of the birth on April 18th, made a point of stating that Sarah Palin's "stage of pregnancy" was not obvious on the flight the night before, nor were there any signs of labor or distress. They specifically called a news conference to do this.
*Gov. Palin has already been caught in numerous lies, exaggerations and "flip-flops" regarding the birth. She herself gave varying accounts in the first few days after the birth. She and her doctor put out statements concerning their interaction during the labor which contradicted each other directly. More recently, she told People Magazine (and others) that Willow spotted and asked about Trig's Down's syndrome as soon as she saw him in the hospital, which directly contradicts a statement given to the Anchorage Daily News three days after the birth which was that "you can't tell by looking" at that point that Trig has Down's.

Photos exist of a pregnant Gov. Palin that have widely touted as settling the issue as well. They do nothing of the sort. The allegation is that she faked a pregnancy. To fake a pregnancy one would have to do more than just talk; one would have to, at some point, look pregnant. Therefore, photos of her looking pregnant prove nothing. We would expect that there would be some photos of this nature. This never seems to occur to those who have turned to these photos as proof. However, curiously, these photos do show one thing: careful analysis of those that do exist from the period of 3/6 to 4/17 show an inexplicable variation in size, shape, and positioning of the pregnancy. Two photos exist taken only three days apart just ten days before the birth. In one Gov. Palin can barely get her arms and hands around her noticeably pregnant belly; in the other, she does so easily.

http://www.palindeception.com/


*shrug* don't care ...

But you should know, the reason she stepped down from being the Governor is because of ridiculous accusations that the state paid to defend her. The legal fees were costing tax payers millions a year just because liberals didn't like her. The legal fees were like 25 - 50 times the expense of paying her to be the governor. It doesn't surprise me at all that she just refuses to acknowledge there is a "debate" on whether or not she actually is the mom. She won't go through all the ridiculous steps the libs will demand to prove she is the mom when in her history of defending stupid ridiculous claims is that - it doesn't matter if you can prove the claim false. People will believe it anyway and claim there is a conspiracy to cover up the truth after the fact. Is there any proof that could be provided now that you would accept as evidence she is the mom? Wouldn't you turn around and question the integrity of the person providing the evidence saying they were paid off to say that? Then you will pull out all the points you just made here and say that piece of evidence doesn't explain other "evidence" you have that she is not the mom and once again conclude she is committing fraud and now coercion to get this doctor to say that, or the photo was edited or whatever the case may be. So, rather than deflating your argument, it would only give you more ammunition to fire at her.

That has happened to her on a monthly basis while she was the governor. She was highly criticized for everything she did, including things she did while on vacation. While on vacation, she was on a fishing trip. A reporter cornered her to ask questions on the latest smear of her reputation. She was dressed casual as anyone on vacation would be who is going fishing. She had a shirt on advertising a fishing company that her husband had an interest in. Within a month, there were legal fees paid to defend her from attacks on her wearing a shirt advertising a business her husband had an interest in.
quiters can allways rationolize their actions.


rofl rofl rofl rofl

No rebuttal? That is all you have?

Anyone can rationalize their actions to defend the comments and beliefs they have. Saying that doesn't mean anything.

She made the decisions she made and I can only assume the reason she made them is what she said was the reason. I am not her or in her mind so I can only go off of what she said.

You make it sound like she decided to "come up" with this idea after. She stated it before she left office. When the news picked up the story and looked at her pay vs legal expenses you know what they found? They found that yes, she is correct and concluded Palin should pay her own legal fees as they were personal attacks against her!!! The Liberals were making personal attacks against her solely because she was the governor. I am pretty sure they wouldn't have slandered her the way they did if she never held a public office, I could be wrong though. So, she had legal fees for personal attacks only because she was the governor and the press decided that she should pay for her own legal fees. The Liberals LOVED that idea. The ones in congress tried to see if they could nail her with the legal fees.

rofl rofl rofl
Dont be a rube she left office early because she could make more money haveing a ghost writer do a book and doing speaking tours like some type of televangalist.

Give her credit though she has managed to turn a fast buck fleecing the sheep.



I tend to think its more probable she left office to earn more money(14 million since leaving office), than that she was outraged over 2.5 million in legal fees which are actually pretty standard for ANYONE running in a vp election and started BEFORE she was picked for vp nominee. Especially considering the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS invested in the bridge to nowhere before she finally 'gave up' on it.


Yeah, that bridge was pretty lame, especially when I found out how many people would actually be using it. :smile:

Can't deny she made money. But if that is truly why she left office, no one she ever vote for her. She essentially will sell out anything then for a buck. But like I said earlier. She lost all my respect when she did leave. I don't want her in any office.

But, I am not a mind reader. I can't go off anything other than what she said was her reason.

I was actually quite disappointed with the Republican party for naming her the VP.

I certainly didn't like the policies Obama was saying he wanted and I didn't want the Republicans in because of Palin so, I started shopping around.

Still looking for a viable candidate that actually has integrity and has similar beliefs. That is a very rare combination.

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Sun 04/17/11 05:32 PM
Kucinich-Paul

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Sun 04/17/11 05:52 PM

Kucinich-Paul


I will have to check them out.

But essentially what I am saying is what I have alluded to a few times in different threads.

We need to do away with the Democrats and Republicans.

Our country would be better off if we all vote for "None-of-the-Above"

But, barring that, some other group or independent would be better. Someone outside the political system. Like Ross Perot was. Never spent a day in congress.

So, I am looking.

Still conservative. Just need someone else to carry my voice...

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Sun 04/17/11 06:00 PM
It was just a musing. But there was some chatter on liberal messag boards about the things that Dinnis kucinich and Ron Paul could easily find common ground on

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