First, my statement regarding the Twin Towers was talking about all American citizens expecting it and being ok with it. That would be the same deal.

As far as Gaza and their attacks, I am not sure, but I believe Israel claimed Gaza and West Bank as their territory from the inception of the country. Who actually is supposed to own it has been fought over ever since.

If you think about it in terms of the US and Mexico it would be like Mexico saying they should own: Wyoming, Nebraska, Iowa, Utah Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana. The UN says Mexico should have them as well. Then when they launch an air strike that kills thousands (relative to size) we should expect it and not retaliate because we are the aggressors. That really isn't too far off the mark as Mexico did own California through Texas until the American / Mexican war which wasn't all that long ago either. (I selected those states to give a similar shape to the US as Israel would have.)

So really, to be fair we should give all that land back to Mexico. That is the same thing happening when the UN says Israel should do the same with West Bank and Gaza. We really had no claim to that land. We fought a war with Mexico and beat them. They turned over the land in a concession to us.

Actually, we should turn over control of the entire country the the Indians that were here before us.

So, unless you are willing to do either of these, we really should not condemn Israel from fighting for this contested land.

Yes they should be expecting attack and they do. That does not mean they cannot and should not retaliate.

WOW!!!!

You just said it is ok for Israel to be attacked and they should expect it and not retaliate. And only because every citizen is considered in the military therefore there are no civilian casualties in Israel. And it is ok to attack them because they are more technologically advanced.

You could just as easily say we should have expected and deserve the twin towers to be destroyed and therefore should not care.

Israel does not count on American support either. They expect us to abandon them when they really need us. If they depended on America they would wait for us to take action on the attacks they receive. How many times has Israel ignored our wishes and done what they wanted to anyway?

On the day of the 9-11 attacks, former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was asked what the attacks would mean for US-Israeli relations. His quick reply was: "It's very good…….Well, it's not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy (for Israel)"

The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards. (1)

Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery. (2)

"They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me" said a witness. (3)

[T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. (4)

Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact (5). Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot. (6)

"It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park." (7)


One anonymous phone call to the authorities actually led them to close down all of New York's bridges and tunnels. The mystery caller told the 9-1-1 dispatcher that a group of Palestinians were mixing a bomb inside of a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel. Here's the transcript from NBC News:

Dispatcher: Jersey City police.
Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building.
Caller: There's a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform.
Dispatcher: He has what?
Caller: He's dressed like an Arab. (8)

(*Writer's note: Why would this mystery caller specifically say that these "Arabs" were Palestinians? How would he know that? Palestinians usually dress in western style clothes, not "sheikh uniforms")


Based on that phone call, police then issued a "Be-on-the-Lookout" alert for a white mini-van heading for the city's bridges and tunnels from New Jersey.

White, 2000 Chevrolet van with 'Urban Moving Systems' sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals. (9)

When a van fitting that exact description was stopped just before crossing into New York, the suspicious "middle-easterners" were apprehended. Imagine the surprise of the police officers when these terror suspects turned out to be Israelis!
According to ABC’s 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering Israelis was stopped by the police, the driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers:


"We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem." (10)

Why did he feel Palestinians were a problem for the NYPD?

The police and FBI field agents became very suspicious when they found maps of the city with certain places highlighted, box cutters (the same items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports. Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives. (11)

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html

Not sure why you are trying to imply Israel attacked the Twin Towers but here you go:

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Dancing_Israelis

No idea how the myth these guys knew about it or were in any way involved has anything to do with Israel being attacked on a regular basis. The FBI cleared them of all charges.

Of course they did.
No big suprise there. They flew out the Saudis on 911 also. One can only speculate why our "staunchest ally.” has betrayed this country in so many ways from spying to the attack on the USS. Liberty.

You would be suprised how many people play a twist on words and say Mossada Binladen.

Of course they did.
No big suprise there. They flew out the Saudis on 911 also. One can only speculate why our "staunchest ally.” has betrayed this country in so many ways from spying to the attack on the USS. Liberty.

You would be suprised how many people play a twist on words and say Mossada Binladen.

with all thats going on in the world, you sit here and try to implicate the Israelis in all this? then you post another blog, with "someone says", or "looked like", or "it was reported"... that whole article sounds like it was written by a sixth grader... anyway, aren't you the one that said our government did 9/11? now it's the Israelis? you should make up your mind on who your gunna accuse...or better yet, find some facts instead of the "he said, she said".

You know, before I posted it I knew you were going to say that.

There is no way to prove to you that you are wrong if you are only going to claim they conspired to cover up the truth.

You will believe what you want to believe despite any evidence presented. And you will take coincidental pieces of information that appear to be condemning and use that as proof of a massive cover-up that would need to include The White House (pretty much everyone in it), the State Department, all lawyers involved, all judges involved, The FBI, and everyone in Israel that would be involved as well (at a bare minimum) and in all the time since 2001 not one of the supposed "conspirators" has come forward.

I don't know of any but I am pretty sure you will now dig up some guy that claimed to be in the White House that "Saw and Heard" secret conversations he wasn't supposed to hear where they talked about the attack prior and how they were going to fool the American public. It has built in plausibility. Some guy just stumbled upon something he wasn't supposed to hear. Therefore there is no way he would have evidence because he would not have access to it. So the lack of evidence in this case would only demonstrate how truthful he is being. Also, because he wasn't included in the conspiracy that means he is risking his life to tell us this vile information. Probably anonymous with his face blocked out and voice altered to protect his identity.

That's probably the best summary of the issue that I have read. To make it all even worst, merely pointing this out is to risk getting the critique in return. Yesterday, an avid consumer of these preposterous claims posted a message for the soul purpose of calling me a liar. It is getting impossible. At least there is usually some attempt at the discussion discussion of an issue before we get to the part where I am accused of being a liar.

Well I dont have a mysteriouse insider but I do have Norman Mineta transportation secretary speaking to the 911 commision.

Norman Mineta Transportation Secretary: "No. I was not. I was made aware of it. During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, "the plane is 50 miles out, the plane is 30 miles out" and when it got down to "the plane is 10 miles out", the young man also said to the Vice President, "do the orders still stand?" And, the Vice President turned and crooked his neck around and said; "of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary?"

Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant. And um."

[Lee Hamilton interrupts]

Lee Hamilton: "The flight you are referring to is the..."

Norman Mineta: "The flight that came into the Pentagon."

Apparently you don't know what the order actually was. You are implying that the order was to crash the Pentagon. That wasn't it. Go research what the order was then come back...

All I know with any degree of certainty is that the offical acounting of 911 is BS.

Would I be suprised if rouge group of government and private interests did 911 to acchieve a political objective, not at all wouldnt be the first time.

I wouldnt be suprised at all.

Yes they did spin this one away didnt they? They had no choice.

Right!

You will believe what you want to believe and nothing anyone says or proves to you will change that.

Why is it so hard to believe that Muslim "radicals" that are regularly attacking all kinds of different places would do this? Espcially knowing they had hundreds if not thousands of suicide bombers before this.

I don't think it has anything to do with your interest in the truth. After all, you dismiss evidence because "they" just want to cover it up.

Stop for a minute and look through all you believe. How many people in how many different organizations would have to be in on this conspiracy? Once you look at that truthfully, can you still honestly say to yourself that what actually happened on that day was a cover up?

Just the idea of explosives being planted in the building prior is so far fetched ... Have you ever watched a demolition show on how long it takes to plant and set explosives and how much detail they look into?

There have been way too many conspiracy movies aired for someone to believe something so major could be a conspiracy. Seems pretty reasonable that it was a handful of Muslim "radicals" that did this. Especially knowing they tried it before.

I remember watching a news program in 93 where the reporter was talking about how hard a time firefighters were having getting to the upper floors. They pointed out how long it would take on a normal day then how long it took with people streaming down the steps where they could barely get past. The conclusion the reporter had was. "It is a good thing this fire didn't occur above the 80th floor. It could have been catastrophic." I couldn't believe what I had just heard. The reporter just told the people that have clearly demonstrated that they wanted to destroy it - how to destroy it.

When I heard a plane hit the world trade center my first thought was, "they finally figured out how to get a major fire above the 80th floor." I was not at all surprised that the plane hit as high up on the tower as it did.

If they wanted to have the maximum casualties, why didn't they hit as low as possible? Because that was the report they received. Hit high so the firefighters can't get to it on time.

You are saying Dick Cheney, the Vice President of the United States, ordered a plane to crash into the pentagon and the people that were with him were talking openly about it????

Give me a break...

You can view 911 Commission - Trans. Sec Norman Mineta Testimony at this link and tell me what you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y

Seriously? Do you realy even think these inexperienced pilots who never flew a jumbo jet and only flew cesnas rather poorly could even choose a target? I wonder how they even navigated or could even keep a plane in the air? Dont you wonder why the planes were never interecepted ,that is after all standerd procedure.

Well thats all for now stuff to do.