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Topic: Reality Check
msharmony's photo
Thu 04/07/11 06:05 PM




hard to blame this on bush, huh...



hard to 'blame' it on any one person,,,its been going on for years, the debt build up has maintained an increase of about half trill per years since 2000, and 1 trill in 2007, 2 tril in 2008, and 1.5 tril in 2009


same with the deficit, which was 'in the black' to the tune of 236 billion when clinton left office but by 2004 had nearly doubled to 413 billion and at the end of 2008(when bush signed the 700 billion bank bailout package) grew to 438 billion

then in 2009. Obama enacted the economic recovery plan for 787 billion, somehow bringing us to 1.4 trillion in debt

( I say somehow , because the math seems shady to me, but this is whats reported as true. Bush signed a 700 billion package which reportedly only raised the deficit another 25 bill but OBama signed a 787 billion package which reportedly raised the deficit the full 787 billion)


but my point is, the spending and debt/deficit issues begun long before most had even HEARD the name Obama




keep in mind also, the fiscal year runs from october through september, so when a president 'leaves office' we are still mostly under THEIR budget until the first october of the next presidents first term


just so you know, it is 2011 right now...when did bush leave office?


His body left in January 2009, his budget left in October of 2009

msharmony's photo
Thu 04/07/11 06:07 PM

She IS doing just fine.

But not a 'lefty' or a 'righty'.

More balanced than most on this forum.

Pleasure to read her posts.

Some I agree with, some I don't...





I do appreciate the comments. I actually do leave away from my computer for DAYS at a time,,,it has little to do with not wanting or being able to participate in the forums though,,,lol

mightymoe's photo
Thu 04/07/11 06:10 PM





hard to blame this on bush, huh...



hard to 'blame' it on any one person,,,its been going on for years, the debt build up has maintained an increase of about half trill per years since 2000, and 1 trill in 2007, 2 tril in 2008, and 1.5 tril in 2009


same with the deficit, which was 'in the black' to the tune of 236 billion when clinton left office but by 2004 had nearly doubled to 413 billion and at the end of 2008(when bush signed the 700 billion bank bailout package) grew to 438 billion

then in 2009. Obama enacted the economic recovery plan for 787 billion, somehow bringing us to 1.4 trillion in debt

( I say somehow , because the math seems shady to me, but this is whats reported as true. Bush signed a 700 billion package which reportedly only raised the deficit another 25 bill but OBama signed a 787 billion package which reportedly raised the deficit the full 787 billion)


but my point is, the spending and debt/deficit issues begun long before most had even HEARD the name Obama




keep in mind also, the fiscal year runs from october through september, so when a president 'leaves office' we are still mostly under THEIR budget until the first october of the next presidents first term


just so you know, it is 2011 right now...when did bush leave office?


His body left in January 2009, his budget left in October of 2009


i know obama can do no wrong, that he is the messiah, and he can carry the world on his shoulders while juggling bananas, but lets wake up now...the economy has gotten worse, the national dept is tripled since then, and there are still no jobs... and now a new war... yea, he's is the answer i've been waiting for.... but he should have good coverage of his next vacation, that will be nice

msharmony's photo
Thu 04/07/11 06:42 PM






hard to blame this on bush, huh...



hard to 'blame' it on any one person,,,its been going on for years, the debt build up has maintained an increase of about half trill per years since 2000, and 1 trill in 2007, 2 tril in 2008, and 1.5 tril in 2009


same with the deficit, which was 'in the black' to the tune of 236 billion when clinton left office but by 2004 had nearly doubled to 413 billion and at the end of 2008(when bush signed the 700 billion bank bailout package) grew to 438 billion

then in 2009. Obama enacted the economic recovery plan for 787 billion, somehow bringing us to 1.4 trillion in debt

( I say somehow , because the math seems shady to me, but this is whats reported as true. Bush signed a 700 billion package which reportedly only raised the deficit another 25 bill but OBama signed a 787 billion package which reportedly raised the deficit the full 787 billion)


but my point is, the spending and debt/deficit issues begun long before most had even HEARD the name Obama




keep in mind also, the fiscal year runs from october through september, so when a president 'leaves office' we are still mostly under THEIR budget until the first october of the next presidents first term


just so you know, it is 2011 right now...when did bush leave office?


His body left in January 2009, his budget left in October of 2009


i know obama can do no wrong, that he is the messiah, and he can carry the world on his shoulders while juggling bananas, but lets wake up now...the economy has gotten worse, the national dept is tripled since then, and there are still no jobs... and now a new war... yea, he's is the answer i've been waiting for.... but he should have good coverage of his next vacation, that will be nice


Presidents can indeed be wrong, they are human. However, because they are elected it becomes significant to me whether they work towards those things they highlight in their campaign, and whether the country is in a better or worse place once they leave office. Unarguably, the debt has grown. fortunately there are many OTHER things to consider in a country this large when considering successful verse unsuccessful leadership.

We are not in a new war and unemployment is going back down, I dont know what this next 19 months will bring, but it wont be until then that we will know how his leadership will be rated on a historically comparative scale.

mightymoe's photo
Thu 04/07/11 06:48 PM
Edited by mightymoe on Thu 04/07/11 06:48 PM







hard to blame this on bush, huh...



hard to 'blame' it on any one person,,,its been going on for years, the debt build up has maintained an increase of about half trill per years since 2000, and 1 trill in 2007, 2 tril in 2008, and 1.5 tril in 2009


same with the deficit, which was 'in the black' to the tune of 236 billion when clinton left office but by 2004 had nearly doubled to 413 billion and at the end of 2008(when bush signed the 700 billion bank bailout package) grew to 438 billion

then in 2009. Obama enacted the economic recovery plan for 787 billion, somehow bringing us to 1.4 trillion in debt

( I say somehow , because the math seems shady to me, but this is whats reported as true. Bush signed a 700 billion package which reportedly only raised the deficit another 25 bill but OBama signed a 787 billion package which reportedly raised the deficit the full 787 billion)


but my point is, the spending and debt/deficit issues begun long before most had even HEARD the name Obama




keep in mind also, the fiscal year runs from october through september, so when a president 'leaves office' we are still mostly under THEIR budget until the first october of the next presidents first term


just so you know, it is 2011 right now...when did bush leave office?


His body left in January 2009, his budget left in October of 2009


i know obama can do no wrong, that he is the messiah, and he can carry the world on his shoulders while juggling bananas, but lets wake up now...the economy has gotten worse, the national dept is tripled since then, and there are still no jobs... and now a new war... yea, he's is the answer i've been waiting for.... but he should have good coverage of his next vacation, that will be nice


Presidents can indeed be wrong, they are human. However, because they are elected it becomes significant to me whether they work towards those things they highlight in their campaign, and whether the country is in a better or worse place once they leave office. Unarguably, the debt has grown. fortunately there are many OTHER things to consider in a country this large when considering successful verse unsuccessful leadership.

We are not in a new war and unemployment is going back down, I dont know what this next 19 months will bring, but it wont be until then that we will know how his leadership will be rated on a historically comparative scale.


did you see this post? i was wondering your thoughts on it...
http://mingle2.com/topic/show/300569

msharmony's photo
Thu 04/07/11 07:15 PM








hard to blame this on bush, huh...



hard to 'blame' it on any one person,,,its been going on for years, the debt build up has maintained an increase of about half trill per years since 2000, and 1 trill in 2007, 2 tril in 2008, and 1.5 tril in 2009


same with the deficit, which was 'in the black' to the tune of 236 billion when clinton left office but by 2004 had nearly doubled to 413 billion and at the end of 2008(when bush signed the 700 billion bank bailout package) grew to 438 billion

then in 2009. Obama enacted the economic recovery plan for 787 billion, somehow bringing us to 1.4 trillion in debt

( I say somehow , because the math seems shady to me, but this is whats reported as true. Bush signed a 700 billion package which reportedly only raised the deficit another 25 bill but OBama signed a 787 billion package which reportedly raised the deficit the full 787 billion)


but my point is, the spending and debt/deficit issues begun long before most had even HEARD the name Obama




keep in mind also, the fiscal year runs from october through september, so when a president 'leaves office' we are still mostly under THEIR budget until the first october of the next presidents first term


just so you know, it is 2011 right now...when did bush leave office?


His body left in January 2009, his budget left in October of 2009


i know obama can do no wrong, that he is the messiah, and he can carry the world on his shoulders while juggling bananas, but lets wake up now...the economy has gotten worse, the national dept is tripled since then, and there are still no jobs... and now a new war... yea, he's is the answer i've been waiting for.... but he should have good coverage of his next vacation, that will be nice


Presidents can indeed be wrong, they are human. However, because they are elected it becomes significant to me whether they work towards those things they highlight in their campaign, and whether the country is in a better or worse place once they leave office. Unarguably, the debt has grown. fortunately there are many OTHER things to consider in a country this large when considering successful verse unsuccessful leadership.

We are not in a new war and unemployment is going back down, I dont know what this next 19 months will bring, but it wont be until then that we will know how his leadership will be rated on a historically comparative scale.


did you see this post? i was wondering your thoughts on it...
http://mingle2.com/topic/show/300569



yeah, that show is very well written.

Nice to have a president who has opened up the conversation ABOUT transparency enough to be critiqued on it,,,,

the criticisms are funny, if a bit misleading, but thats comedy, I totally respect it,,,

mightymoe's photo
Thu 04/07/11 07:20 PM









hard to blame this on bush, huh...



hard to 'blame' it on any one person,,,its been going on for years, the debt build up has maintained an increase of about half trill per years since 2000, and 1 trill in 2007, 2 tril in 2008, and 1.5 tril in 2009


same with the deficit, which was 'in the black' to the tune of 236 billion when clinton left office but by 2004 had nearly doubled to 413 billion and at the end of 2008(when bush signed the 700 billion bank bailout package) grew to 438 billion

then in 2009. Obama enacted the economic recovery plan for 787 billion, somehow bringing us to 1.4 trillion in debt

( I say somehow , because the math seems shady to me, but this is whats reported as true. Bush signed a 700 billion package which reportedly only raised the deficit another 25 bill but OBama signed a 787 billion package which reportedly raised the deficit the full 787 billion)


but my point is, the spending and debt/deficit issues begun long before most had even HEARD the name Obama




keep in mind also, the fiscal year runs from october through september, so when a president 'leaves office' we are still mostly under THEIR budget until the first october of the next presidents first term


just so you know, it is 2011 right now...when did bush leave office?


His body left in January 2009, his budget left in October of 2009


i know obama can do no wrong, that he is the messiah, and he can carry the world on his shoulders while juggling bananas, but lets wake up now...the economy has gotten worse, the national dept is tripled since then, and there are still no jobs... and now a new war... yea, he's is the answer i've been waiting for.... but he should have good coverage of his next vacation, that will be nice


Presidents can indeed be wrong, they are human. However, because they are elected it becomes significant to me whether they work towards those things they highlight in their campaign, and whether the country is in a better or worse place once they leave office. Unarguably, the debt has grown. fortunately there are many OTHER things to consider in a country this large when considering successful verse unsuccessful leadership.

We are not in a new war and unemployment is going back down, I dont know what this next 19 months will bring, but it wont be until then that we will know how his leadership will be rated on a historically comparative scale.


did you see this post? i was wondering your thoughts on it...
http://mingle2.com/topic/show/300569



yeah, that show is very well written.

Nice to have a president who has opened up the conversation ABOUT transparency enough to be critiqued on it,,,,

the criticisms are funny, if a bit misleading, but thats comedy, I totally respect it,,,


yea, i thought it was funny too... i like jon stewart a bit more than that other guy thats on after him

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