See.

Your mind is boggled also. Trust me, I have been contemplating infinity for over 55 years. (I'm 62 BTW.)

You said:

"if the distance between 1 and -1 is infinite..."

I did not say that the distance between 1 and -1 was infinite.
I said that I found infinity between 1 and -1.

Actually, I did NOT find it there. I found that it did not exist ..there.

That is why its infinite. You can't find it. There should be a boarder, a crossing point...between 1 and -1.... there is not.

Zero is infinity.
It also equals nothing but nothing does not exist.

Therefore you still have not found infinity.

Time:
The smallest length of time is represented by a planck. A planck is infinitely small. It is just a hypothetical measurement.

The only conclusion is that Infinity does not actually exist either.

Therefore lies the paradox.

Nothing cannot exist.
Infinity cannot exist.

Zero cannot exist.
The space between 1 and -1 cannot exist.

Therefore "something" MUST exist.

That is why we exist.

Its simply math.

What was it that Einstein said?

"Reality is an illusion albeit a persistent one!"

He was talking about the nature of reality.

Infinite does exist it was proven by Georg Cantor. google him.

I don't understand your thinking behind "There should be a boarder, a crossing point...between 1 and -1.... there is not." Of course there is not if you are thinking of them on the same axis. now if 1 was actually Y1 and -1 was X-1 then yes you would have a crossing point but 1 and -1 are parallel.

in a debate i had with you earlier (i cant remember what it was over) you even stated the exact phrase as to why infinite exists so to quote you "I think it, therefore it exists"

You can not represent infinite with a physical being because infinite only exists by definition so therefore it exists.

"Nothing cannot exist.
Infinity cannot exist."

0 is nothing, the absence of all and infinite is the exact opposite again it can only be determined to be that way by definition.

here's an example of why 0 is nothing
2 * 3 = 6, 6 / 3 = 2 (a*b=c so c/b=a)
in order for multiplication and division to work you must be able to produce what was divided out by multiplying it back in.

5 * 0 = 0 0 / 0 = 0 when "c" becomes 0 the "5" can not be recovered. Ergo 0 is nothing ( i am defining nothing as the absence of presence here, not as in nonexistance), it exists but is undefinable.

here's an example of why infinite exists
if you are to take every whole integer out to an infinite source and then remove all even numbers the size would not change because it is still infinite.

... and Bigfoot. To this day they like to throw balls for the Loch Ness monster to catch it. There is just something inimitably cute and tirelessly entertaining, to see an animal run after the ball and bring it happily back to the thower.

Now, that's one mystery I'd like to have solved. My money is on the theory that it's the ultimate power trip for the thrower. You throw - your best friend runs. Pretty basic, and therein lies its incredible power. The simpler, the less encumbered the emotive value, the more forceful impact it generates.

Georg Cantor was a mathematician. He was about numbers. I am not talking about a number. "Infinite" is either a number or an adjective. I am talking about Infinity, which is a noun.





Of course it is still "infinite" BY DEFINITION and of course the size will not change. I don't disagree with that.

And I don't disagree that 0 is nothing. I agree, it certainly is nothing.

But what is "nothing?" It is nothing. Zero, Zip. It does not exist.

My statement was about INFINITY, which is a noun.
A noun is defined as a "person, place or thing."

Infinity is a word that represents a place or a thing or a person. I am guessing it is a place.

Between one and negative one, there is a boundary, or should be. That boundary is a place called infinity, and it does not exist. ~At least not in this reality.

Just as the time measurement of a planck has no real measurement, it simply represents an imaginary increment of time that is infinitely small.

No the ultimate power trip is what my dog has. I throw and he runs with the ball and plays "catch me if you can." The little bastard.

even as a noun infinity holds the same definition as it does with numbers (meaning there are no boundaries) all space can be processed mathematically. so infinity has to be defined not found, because no one can process a boundary for it.

I would define infinity as a thing not a place you can always reach a place because it is your end point that end point is your boundary and at that point your distance and means can be found.

Ah yes... SPACE. Another subject that is a paradox. You see, space is intimately linked with time, energy and matter. Its called MEST. Matter, energy, space and time.

They may not actually exist either. (Ask Einstein.)
I know, its a hard thing to swallow.




You can only "reach a place" if space exists. But lets assume it does. What would this "thing" be?

It is what I would call "A boundary."
That boundary would exist at a "place" which has to be hypothetical as it can't really be located.

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Here is the paradox.....

"Now" (the present) "appears" to exist, but it can't be measured (as time) because a planck is an infinitely small and unmeasurable slice of time.

Therefore Now itself is Infinity.

Nothing does not (cannot) exist.
Infinity does not (cannot) exist.

..and according to quantum physics, the particle can't be found or measured and so it can't be proven to exist either. The building blocks of this entire reality can't be found or measured!

Therefore even though it appears that "something" exists,
upon close inspection, the logic points to the fact that nothing exists!

And here is the Paradox:

Yet I know I exist.

And my own existence is impossible.

Whew, that really took a lot out of me.....

Mind boggling.

And of course the final conclusion to that logic is so bizarre I'm not even going to go there.

A noun is a person, a thing, or a place.

It can also be a concept, a time, a time span, or an imaginary representation of any of the above.

Concept as a noun: "God walked into my life and asked me for the correct time."

A time or a timespan as a noun: "In two minutes I will have finished five year's worth of work."

Imaginary stuff: Peter Pan came into Atlantis with his magic flute. He loved manna, and used to go back to biblical times to pick it up off the sandy floor of the Valhalla, to eat it. "These are imaginary thoughts, of my imagination's machination," he would oft say.

It can be even a non-existent thing, as "it's still raining," which has a named noun, but only in representation by employing a personal pronoun "it", which, in turn, has no antecedent.

It can be a modal noun, meaning, having a role to satisfy the presence of a subject to a tansitive word, yet its non-existence is obvious. Such an example may be: "Whoop it up."

Yep, a noun can be an imaginary concept.

My point exactly.

Infinity has to be imagined because it cannot exist.
It has to be a concept because it cannot exist...as an objective thing.

I'm not even going to say where that logic is going.

And how exactly do you think we ought to do that?

That's right he died.

There are concepts that are products of the mind, but are not imaginary. They may or may not be real.

F'rinstance. Paul. My friend Paul.

My friend is a real and existing someone, yet a "friend" is a concept, real and existing specimens of which can be found free in nature.

Infinity is a concept that is real, although it is a brainchild of man. There is nothing imaginary about infinity. Imaginary is something that is understood by all that it's possible for it to exist, but it necessarily does not exist, because that was preemptively put forth that it does not. Such may be Peter Pan or Atlantis.

So what are you saying then?
Does infinity exist?

If so, what is it?
If it is a "concept" what is it a concept of?

you keep going against the very laws you have used earlier in statements you make to prove one of your other points. infinity has to exist for the simpilist of facts "I think it exists, therfore it exists"

What boggles my mind???

A gazillion things...


One thing that has had me in tangles recently is the comment David Suzuki made at a conference in melbourne recently...

"...the age of enlightenment is over. The last enlightening thing man has done was send a man to the moon. Everything since then has been about repairation of what man has done before...there has been nothing new man has done since...."


I keep thinking and thinking, stretching my poor enfeebled mind for a single new and unrelated to anything else thing mankind has done...and I suspect he is right...

Every new thing is build upon something else...or to fix something man has already done...

JFK and Elvis are living together at an East Texas retirement home fighting mummies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7Qo74_L3vo

I'm boggled by the fact that today anything you want to know is at your finger tips and so few people bother to educate themselves with it.