Progressives want to give our country away to any and all who invade us.

conservatives have already given most of our jobs and mortgaged most of our treasury to the Chinese.

Think again. Check how much of that debt has been borrowed by Obama.

Obama's debt figures were looking pretty good compared to Republican figures until he caved and extended the tax cuts for rich people. Don't think Progressives aren't upset about this.

Obama has added jobs in America. Bush's record was pathetic. Bush did wonders for the Chinese unemployment rate.

I noticed that you only addressed the debt issue. I'm not sure if you people even care about job off-shoring.

We have put up with the lunatic fringe of the left long enough to not really be concerned with it.

You see the difference between today's conservatives and leftists is that conservatives realize that the republican party was not representing, what us fiscal conservative voters want.

All you leftists can talk bad about the Tea Party people, but they have brought about real change within the republican party.

The days of people going along with the rubber stamping during the Bush years is over.

You are seeing the end of the morals voters being the driving force behind the policy and who gets elected. I personally could give a rats *** about social issues like abortion or whatever else the religious right wants to push. They sat on their hands while Bush and his cronies ran up the debt when they could be totally mistaken for a bunch of liberals with an unlimited supply of someone elses money.

Democrats got their ***** handed to them in November not because they support abortion or gay rights. They got their ***** handed to them because they thought exactly the same way you do.

People are too stupid to see what their agenda is really about.

It is really hard to argue that more deficit spending and trillion dollar programs are what we need.

Obama is going to lose badly in 2012 because he will NOT be able to talk his way out of running up the debt faster in 3 years than it took the drunken sailor posse of Bush and his RINO cronies in 8 years.

My note to the leftists that think they are the only purveyors of truth..

"it's the debt, stupid"

Ignoring the truth doesn't change it. Check the debt that Obama has added and you will find your posted statement false.

I only addressed one false statement that you made. I would never have time to address them all.

Show me! Don't just bloviate about it.

I already did. You blamed the debt on Republicans and I asked you to provide the debt caused by Obama, which you ignored.

It would appear that you do not understand the term "bloviate" since the original lie you produced and the "non answer" you excused it with, would fit the term far better than the obvious truth I stated.

Blaming the Republicans for the debt while it was being spent (created) by Obama in incredible ways that did not produce jobs is dishonest.

No president in the history of the US has incurred debt like Obama.

No you didn't. and yes I did. I'll do this for you one more time

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/downchart_gs.php?year=2000_2010&view=1&expand=&units=p&fy=fy12&chart=F0-total&bar=0&stack=1&size=m&title=US%20Government%20Spending%20As%20Percent%20Of%20GDP&state=US&color=c&local=s


As you can see, the debt as a % of GDP has been coming down since about 2009, Wasn't that about the tim Obama took over the Presidency fro George W Bush?

remember folks, 2009 is complex, because the majority of that year (until october, I think) was still under the FISCAL schedule of the BUSH administration


so a large portion of the finances were STILL being affected by the previous administration, MIXED with choices from the present one,,,

As opposed to Conservatives who hire illegals and then complain about them?


-Kerry O.

Ah, an appeal to the broken window fallacy! This is not to defend Bush, but Obama did not "add jobs" to the economy (governments do not create jobs, the private sector does. Anything the government "creates" comes at the expense of the real economy). He has created make-work jobs to prop up the economy temporarily and given out corporate welfare, though.

Ok, then try to refute these:

Reagan tripled the national debt from 900 billion to 2.7 trillion, while Bush II doubled the debt. All while Cheney, his VP said, quote," Reagan showed us that deficits don't matter."

Then for extra credit, check to see which income group is making out like gangbusters during this recession and who is hurting the most. And why.

I think the Republicans are in HUGE trouble in 2012 because, as usual, they promised what they can't deliver. They're already backpeddling on their $100 billion deficit reduction, making the usual mealy-mouthed excuses.

-Kerry O.

Kerry O by now you should know better than to let facts ruin a good argument.

I have noticed each election cycle the republicans try to grab onto a wedge issue that divides the public. Its either race or abortion and now the defecit created by the republicans. Its a bit insane on their part because they are the ones who claimed cutting taxes would improve the economy, however as is clearly evident it was a lie. They starve the government of taxes then claim government doesnt work.

I have to laugh when I see some members of this board wail agains the government while drawing disability payments or SSI or unemployment, they will claim they earned it. However without government or liberal laws no private business would ever consider paying someone on an individual basis for being sick as in the good old days.

Politics is something I really wish I understood better but I was once told that the current president (at any given time) is either benefitting from the last president or being hindered by the last president. Being that it usually takes more than 4 years for what the president has changed to start to be seen in our economy. Any truth to that?

Here is all you need to know....


A unionized public employee, a tea party activist and a CEO are sitting at a table with a plate of a dozen cookies in the middle of it. The CEO takes 11 of the cookies, turns to the tea partier and says, "Watch out for that union guy... he wants a piece of your cookie!

http://whatreallyhappened.com/

there is quite a bit of overlap from president to president, so , in my opinion, the president is only a spokesperson/figurehead for Americas image in the rest of the world,,,,beyond that, he has little exclusive power of his own and must work with the rest of our government to accomplish much of anything

its not really presidents who have the authority but we hold them to the responsibility, which is kind of strange to me


I think its congresses that should hold major accountability for progress and regression as their careers are usually MUCH longer than any President and their constituional authority covers much more,,,

thats sounds ok to me because the CEO is the only one of the 3 that actually creates income. now if this were the real world the CEO would get about 3 of the cookies, the tea party activist (politician) would get 6, and the unionized public official would get 3 and a gauranteed ration of cookies until he dies.

Honeslty Labor is what creates wealth and capital usualy provides the tools. Capital can be raised in many differant ways but that is a subject for another thread.

yes this is true but labor/services/products provided in the public sector paid for by peoples taxes labor/services/products provided for in the private sector is paid for by private and public capital. Name me a division of the public sector that actually "produces" money for a service or labor.