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Topic: Arizona doesn't want to pay for Illegals education.
msharmony's photo
Thu 02/24/11 12:39 AM


bla bla bla

good luck finding the specific requirements that he isnt fulfilling personally,,,


You wouldn't have to look very far. The Executive Branch has the duty in the constitution to execute the laws of the United States and the president is the chief executive officer.

He took an oath to uphold the laws of the United States in order to become president.




execute the laws? what does that mean SPECIFICALLY though?

does that mean everytime a police officer overlooks a prostitute,, the PRESIDENT is responsible?

does that mean everytime someone is robbed, the president is responsible?

what SPECIFICALLY is required to meet the standard of 'executing' laws?

msharmony's photo
Thu 02/24/11 12:40 AM


The main legislation governing immigration is the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, (INA). The act hads been amended numerous times, the most significant of which was the establishment of a new quota system in 1965. For INA purposes, an "alien" is any person who is not a citizen or a national of the United States. There are different categories of aliens: resident and nonresident, immigrant and nonimmigrant, documented and undocumented ("illegal" ).

http://definitions.uslegal.com/i/immigration/


I guess techinically, they would be of the class of illegal(undocumented) immigrant aliens


they do not qualify as immigrants unless they are in the process of immigration - and they aren't if they are undocumented illegally.

they are non-immigrants because their lack of documents is unacceptable.

they cannot be coming to live here permanently without application.




what of those who HAVE the application and arent yet approved? or those who WERE approved but overstayed the documented timelines?

s1owhand's photo
Thu 02/24/11 12:41 AM
Edited by s1owhand on Thu 02/24/11 12:44 AM


The main legislation governing immigration is the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, (INA). The act hads been amended numerous times, the most significant of which was the establishment of a new quota system in 1965. For INA purposes, an "alien" is any person who is not a citizen or a national of the United States. There are different categories of aliens: resident and nonresident, immigrant and nonimmigrant, documented and undocumented ("illegal" ).

http://definitions.uslegal.com/i/immigration/


I guess techinically, they would be of the class of illegal(undocumented) immigrant aliens


they do not qualify as immigrants unless they are in the process of immigration - and they aren't if they are undocumented illegally.

they are non-immigrants because their lack of documents is unacceptable.

they cannot be coming to live here permanently without application.



I mean they are no more "immigrants" than someone who steals your car becomes the "car owner"...

laugh

if they are in a valid process of immigration then that's OK
but as soon as their application becomes invalid then they are
no longer immigrants...

msharmony's photo
Thu 02/24/11 12:44 AM



The main legislation governing immigration is the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, (INA). The act hads been amended numerous times, the most significant of which was the establishment of a new quota system in 1965. For INA purposes, an "alien" is any person who is not a citizen or a national of the United States. There are different categories of aliens: resident and nonresident, immigrant and nonimmigrant, documented and undocumented ("illegal" ).

http://definitions.uslegal.com/i/immigration/


I guess techinically, they would be of the class of illegal(undocumented) immigrant aliens


they do not qualify as immigrants unless they are in the process of immigration - and they aren't if they are undocumented illegally.

they are non-immigrants because their lack of documents is unacceptable.

they cannot be coming to live here permanently without application.



I mean they are no more "immigrants" than someone who steals your car becomes a "car owner"...

laugh

if they are in a valid process of immigration then that's OK
but as soon as their application becomes invalid then they are
no longer immigrants...



car ownership is a legal status of which you either are or are not

as posted before, however, alien can signify many CATEGORIES , including immigrant AND non immigrant

s1owhand's photo
Thu 02/24/11 12:47 AM
Edited by s1owhand on Thu 02/24/11 12:51 AM




The main legislation governing immigration is the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, (INA). The act hads been amended numerous times, the most significant of which was the establishment of a new quota system in 1965. For INA purposes, an "alien" is any person who is not a citizen or a national of the United States. There are different categories of aliens: resident and nonresident, immigrant and nonimmigrant, documented and undocumented ("illegal" ).

http://definitions.uslegal.com/i/immigration/


I guess techinically, they would be of the class of illegal(undocumented) immigrant aliens


they do not qualify as immigrants unless they are in the process of immigration - and they aren't if they are undocumented illegally.

they are non-immigrants because their lack of documents is unacceptable.

they cannot be coming to live here permanently without application.



I mean they are no more "immigrants" than someone who steals your car becomes a "car owner"...

laugh

if they are in a valid process of immigration then that's OK
but as soon as their application becomes invalid then they are
no longer immigrants...



car ownership is a legal status of which you either are or are not

as posted before, however, alien can signify many CATEGORIES , including immigrant AND non immigrant



yes and being a legal immigrant is a legal status which either you are or are not doesn't matter how many categories of alien their are...

laugh

to immigrate is to come to live in a place permanently and those
who steal across the border illegal without attempting to live
here legally obviously cannot be coming here to live permanently
since they have not applied to do so.

let them apply like everyone else - that is the only fair and
legal way to do it.

msharmony's photo
Thu 02/24/11 12:49 AM





The main legislation governing immigration is the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, (INA). The act hads been amended numerous times, the most significant of which was the establishment of a new quota system in 1965. For INA purposes, an "alien" is any person who is not a citizen or a national of the United States. There are different categories of aliens: resident and nonresident, immigrant and nonimmigrant, documented and undocumented ("illegal" ).

http://definitions.uslegal.com/i/immigration/


I guess techinically, they would be of the class of illegal(undocumented) immigrant aliens


they do not qualify as immigrants unless they are in the process of immigration - and they aren't if they are undocumented illegally.

they are non-immigrants because their lack of documents is unacceptable.

they cannot be coming to live here permanently without application.



I mean they are no more "immigrants" than someone who steals your car becomes a "car owner"...

laugh

if they are in a valid process of immigration then that's OK
but as soon as their application becomes invalid then they are
no longer immigrants...



car ownership is a legal status of which you either are or are not

as posted before, however, alien can signify many CATEGORIES , including immigrant AND non immigrant



yes and being a legal immigrant is a legal status which either you are or are not doesn't matter how many categories of alien their are...

laugh



emphasis on the CLARIFICATION of 'legal' , implying there is also an 'illegal' form of immigration

s1owhand's photo
Thu 02/24/11 12:54 AM
Edited by s1owhand on Thu 02/24/11 12:59 AM






The main legislation governing immigration is the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, (INA). The act hads been amended numerous times, the most significant of which was the establishment of a new quota system in 1965. For INA purposes, an "alien" is any person who is not a citizen or a national of the United States. There are different categories of aliens: resident and nonresident, immigrant and nonimmigrant, documented and undocumented ("illegal" ).

http://definitions.uslegal.com/i/immigration/


I guess techinically, they would be of the class of illegal(undocumented) immigrant aliens


they do not qualify as immigrants unless they are in the process of immigration - and they aren't if they are undocumented illegally.

they are non-immigrants because their lack of documents is unacceptable.

they cannot be coming to live here permanently without application.



I mean they are no more "immigrants" than someone who steals your car becomes a "car owner"...

laugh

if they are in a valid process of immigration then that's OK
but as soon as their application becomes invalid then they are
no longer immigrants...



car ownership is a legal status of which you either are or are not

as posted before, however, alien can signify many CATEGORIES , including immigrant AND non immigrant



yes and being a legal immigrant is a legal status which either you are or are not doesn't matter how many categories of alien their are...

laugh



emphasis on the CLARIFICATION of 'legal' , implying there is also an 'illegal' form of immigration


emphasis on legal because there is NO illegal form of immigration
you cannot come to live permanently in the US without a valid
legal process

laugh

i am happy to say it this way:

Being an immigrant is a legal status which either you are or are not - doesn't matter how many categories of alien their are...

Being a car owner is a legal status which either you are or are
not - if you stole it and drive it and park it and live in it you
are still not the owner!

laugh laugh laugh

boredinaz06's photo
Thu 02/24/11 10:43 AM


WE DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR ILLEGALS PERIOD.

boredinaz06's photo
Thu 02/24/11 10:45 AM




No, those of us in Arizona are trying correct this problem by making this state as hostile towards people criminally entering the country so they don't want to come here. Do it the right way or get hassled!



the right way is not to put more responsibility upon pollice which DIMINISHES their attention to present and dangerous crimes in their community that they are expected to be PROTECTING the citizens from


let the feds do their job, the answer isnt adding to the already authoritarian state of the police


First off the feds ARE NOT DOING THEIR JOB that is why states are doing it for them. Passing a new state law will not diminish anything, it adds a new tool to combat criminals.

willing2's photo
Thu 02/24/11 10:53 AM





No, those of us in Arizona are trying correct this problem by making this state as hostile towards people criminally entering the country so they don't want to come here. Do it the right way or get hassled!



the right way is not to put more responsibility upon pollice which DIMINISHES their attention to present and dangerous crimes in their community that they are expected to be PROTECTING the citizens from


let the feds do their job, the answer isnt adding to the already authoritarian state of the police


First off the feds ARE NOT DOING THEIR JOB that is why states are doing it for them. Passing a new state law will not diminish anything, it adds a new tool to combat criminals.

Hussein's owners don't want them deported.

msharmony's photo
Thu 02/24/11 11:59 AM







The main legislation governing immigration is the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, (INA). The act hads been amended numerous times, the most significant of which was the establishment of a new quota system in 1965. For INA purposes, an "alien" is any person who is not a citizen or a national of the United States. There are different categories of aliens: resident and nonresident, immigrant and nonimmigrant, documented and undocumented ("illegal" ).

http://definitions.uslegal.com/i/immigration/


I guess techinically, they would be of the class of illegal(undocumented) immigrant aliens


they do not qualify as immigrants unless they are in the process of immigration - and they aren't if they are undocumented illegally.

they are non-immigrants because their lack of documents is unacceptable.

they cannot be coming to live here permanently without application.



I mean they are no more "immigrants" than someone who steals your car becomes a "car owner"...

laugh

if they are in a valid process of immigration then that's OK
but as soon as their application becomes invalid then they are
no longer immigrants...



car ownership is a legal status of which you either are or are not

as posted before, however, alien can signify many CATEGORIES , including immigrant AND non immigrant



yes and being a legal immigrant is a legal status which either you are or are not doesn't matter how many categories of alien their are...

laugh



emphasis on the CLARIFICATION of 'legal' , implying there is also an 'illegal' form of immigration


emphasis on legal because there is NO illegal form of immigration
you cannot come to live permanently in the US without a valid
legal process

laugh

i am happy to say it this way:

Being an immigrant is a legal status which either you are or are not - doesn't matter how many categories of alien their are...

Being a car owner is a legal status which either you are or are
not - if you stole it and drive it and park it and live in it you
are still not the owner!

laugh laugh laugh



being an illegal immigrant is also a LEGAL status

ownership implies a contract, immigrating requires none it only requires one is MOVING from one place to another

willing2's photo
Thu 02/24/11 12:35 PM








The main legislation governing immigration is the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, (INA). The act hads been amended numerous times, the most significant of which was the establishment of a new quota system in 1965. For INA purposes, an "alien" is any person who is not a citizen or a national of the United States. There are different categories of aliens: resident and nonresident, immigrant and nonimmigrant, documented and undocumented ("illegal" ).

http://definitions.uslegal.com/i/immigration/


I guess techinically, they would be of the class of illegal(undocumented) immigrant aliens


they do not qualify as immigrants unless they are in the process of immigration - and they aren't if they are undocumented illegally.

they are non-immigrants because their lack of documents is unacceptable.

they cannot be coming to live here permanently without application.



I mean they are no more "immigrants" than someone who steals your car becomes a "car owner"...

laugh

if they are in a valid process of immigration then that's OK
but as soon as their application becomes invalid then they are
no longer immigrants...



car ownership is a legal status of which you either are or are not

as posted before, however, alien can signify many CATEGORIES , including immigrant AND non immigrant



yes and being a legal immigrant is a legal status which either you are or are not doesn't matter how many categories of alien their are...

laugh



emphasis on the CLARIFICATION of 'legal' , implying there is also an 'illegal' form of immigration


emphasis on legal because there is NO illegal form of immigration
you cannot come to live permanently in the US without a valid
legal process

laugh

i am happy to say it this way:

Being an immigrant is a legal status which either you are or are not - doesn't matter how many categories of alien their are...

Being a car owner is a legal status which either you are or are
not - if you stole it and drive it and park it and live in it you
are still not the owner!

laugh laugh laugh



being an illegal immigrant is also a LEGAL status

ownership implies a contract, immigrating requires none it only requires one is MOVING from one place to another

Do you defend this administrations inaction of not securing our southern border and not being proactive in seeing Illegals deported.
Along with, not being proactive in seeing Immigration Law is enforced?

msharmony's photo
Thu 02/24/11 12:37 PM









The main legislation governing immigration is the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, (INA). The act hads been amended numerous times, the most significant of which was the establishment of a new quota system in 1965. For INA purposes, an "alien" is any person who is not a citizen or a national of the United States. There are different categories of aliens: resident and nonresident, immigrant and nonimmigrant, documented and undocumented ("illegal" ).

http://definitions.uslegal.com/i/immigration/


I guess techinically, they would be of the class of illegal(undocumented) immigrant aliens


they do not qualify as immigrants unless they are in the process of immigration - and they aren't if they are undocumented illegally.

they are non-immigrants because their lack of documents is unacceptable.

they cannot be coming to live here permanently without application.



I mean they are no more "immigrants" than someone who steals your car becomes a "car owner"...

laugh

if they are in a valid process of immigration then that's OK
but as soon as their application becomes invalid then they are
no longer immigrants...



car ownership is a legal status of which you either are or are not

as posted before, however, alien can signify many CATEGORIES , including immigrant AND non immigrant



yes and being a legal immigrant is a legal status which either you are or are not doesn't matter how many categories of alien their are...

laugh



emphasis on the CLARIFICATION of 'legal' , implying there is also an 'illegal' form of immigration


emphasis on legal because there is NO illegal form of immigration
you cannot come to live permanently in the US without a valid
legal process

laugh

i am happy to say it this way:

Being an immigrant is a legal status which either you are or are not - doesn't matter how many categories of alien their are...

Being a car owner is a legal status which either you are or are
not - if you stole it and drive it and park it and live in it you
are still not the owner!

laugh laugh laugh



being an illegal immigrant is also a LEGAL status

ownership implies a contract, immigrating requires none it only requires one is MOVING from one place to another

Do you defend this administrations inaction of not securing our southern border and not being proactive in seeing Illegals deported.
Along with, not being proactive in seeing Immigration Law is enforced?



haa

thats like asking a man when he stopped hitting his wife

requires me to accept an assumption as fact to either support or not support it

the claim is not something I consider fact so I cant answer that question but

IF the administration was NOT doing what they are required to do or maintaining what has been required of administrations before

than I would not support that decision

boredinaz06's photo
Thu 02/24/11 12:42 PM


Hussein's owners don't want them deported.


Hell no, them be future democrats right there!laugh

willing2's photo
Thu 02/24/11 12:51 PM



Hussein's owners don't want them deported.


Hell no, them be future democrats right there!laugh

He isn't upholding our Constitution either.
Any Extremist Progressive Lib believes otherwise is defending the lie and aren't worth the air they breathe.

willing2's photo
Sat 02/26/11 08:19 AM
Edited by willing2 on Sat 02/26/11 08:24 AM

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