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Edited by
Fanta46
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There is a threat. Don't get me wrong, but you'd have to be more than the average internet user.
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. . . to have this authority. A bill has been introduced that would authorize the President to shut down the internet in the event of an "emergency". Does this seem like a good thing to you? yes, the internet is not a necessity, it is a privilege which we managed to survive without for CENTURIES and in this global age can easily become quite a weapon if turned against us.,,,, |
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The Http layer is minor. Although one could use it to gain access to a critical layer there are, and are, ways to secure them against such a threat.
A person would have to be pretty accomplished to access the critical layers and cause havoc within them. The whole cyberspace bill is blown out of proportion by the fact that most people don't have the understanding of the many layers. For example, What layer would you have to access to shut down the cooling valves to a reactor at a Nuclear power plant? Does anyone know? |
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Here are just a few to choose from.
Internet Protocol Suite Application Layer BGP · DHCP · DNS · FTP · HTTP · IMAP · IRC · LDAP · MGCP · NNTP · NTP · POP · RIP · RPC · RTP · SIP · SMTP · SNMP · SSH · Telnet · TLS/SSL · XMPP · Transport Layer TCP · UDP · DCCP · SCTP · RSVP · ECN · Internet Layer IP (IPv4, IPv6) · ICMP · ICMPv6 · IGMP · IPsec · Link Layer ARP/InARP · NDP · OSPF · Tunnels (L2TP) · PPP · Media Access Control (Ethernet, DSL, ISDN, FDDI) · |
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There are many fascists (layers) of the INTERNET Freudian slip? I think you meant "facets". okay! my bad! HTTP is not a critical information network. If people considered a 'clear and present' danger to 'national' security are using TCP/IP protocols then it can be declared 'critical'... China did not shut it down... They simply 'blocked' certain 'search' phrases. For those that are blaming this on Obama's Administration... Bush wanted it also... but did not have the 'political assets' to get it passed... I doubt if the current administration would attempt it either. IT WOULD PUT THE LIE TO HIS TELLING MUBARAK NOT TO LIMIT FREEDOM OF SPEACH OR THE PRESS. |
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IT WOULD PUT THE LIE TO HIS TELLING MUBARAK NOT TO LIMIT FREEDOM OF SPEACH OR THE PRESS. It would.
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Sun 02/06/11 10:01 PM
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Mubarak shut down the internet for private citizens. Yet I'm certain he didn't shut down the critical information layers.
He wasn't worried about cyberterrorism. He just didn't want the people to organize through Face book!  He is a dictator who tried to supress his people. I doubt the US Gov would try this. |
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Here are just a few to choose from. Internet Protocol Suite Application Layer BGP · DHCP · DNS · FTP · HTTP · IMAP · IRC · LDAP · MGCP · NNTP · NTP · POP · RIP · RPC · RTP · SIP · SMTP · SNMP · SSH · Telnet · TLS/SSL · XMPP · Transport Layer TCP · UDP · DCCP · SCTP · RSVP · ECN · Internet Layer IP (IPv4, IPv6) · ICMP · ICMPv6 · IGMP · IPsec · Link Layer ARP/InARP · NDP · OSPF · Tunnels (L2TP) · PPP · Media Access Control (Ethernet, DSL, ISDN, FDDI) · All you really need is an open port... (unless the OS you are attacking has a 'shadow' portal or 'back door')... Open port and a cmd virus at the BIOS level... Every single operating system out there is vunerable at the hardware level... They are all simply a system overlayed upon the arcitecture. |
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Right, but then you'd need passwords and such.
The thing I was getting at is that they aren't that worried about Http and the average citizen's usage. |
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yes, the internet is not a necessity, it is a privilege What? are you nuts? OK, I'll dial that back. What you consider to be a necessity changes as civilization progresses. At one time, necessities included things lke a cave to live in, some flint, a rock and a stick and an occasional rabbit to eat. Everything else was a luxury. What is necessary to live a decent, mainstream life that affords membership in contemporary society? In my opinion, the ability to own some kind of TV is a necessity The internet has suddenly become a necessary medium for being at least somewhat up-to-speed with the world around us. You don't get good information from the MSM alone. I don't think we want people to become completely isolated from the world around them, just because they're poor. |
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yes, the internet is not a necessity, it is a privilege What? are you nuts? OK, I'll dial that back. What you consider to be a necessity changes as civilization progresses. At one time, necessities included things lke a cave to live in, some flint, a rock and a stick and an occasional rabbit to eat. Everything else was a luxury. What is necessary to live a decent, mainstream life that affords membership in contemporary society? In my opinion, the ability to own some kind of TV is a necessity The internet has suddenly become a necessary medium for being at least somewhat up-to-speed with the world around us. You don't get good information from the MSM alone. I don't think we want people to become completely isolated from the world around them, just because they're poor. Personally, I find the internet being used to distort and change history. Books are the only reliable media in many cases. |
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I find the internet being used to distort and change history. Of course it is. (God, I hate these Datebook pop-ups). That's why we need a focus on critical thinking. A whole bunch of good-and-bad information, or a little bit of pretty OK information? Which is better? But it's more than just that. People need diversion and connectedness to be reasonably well-adjusted. without it, you might just as well be in prison.
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I'd say, from personal observance, that the majority of Americans hardly if ever use the internet for social reasons.
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Right, but then you'd need passwords and such. The thing I was getting at is that they aren't that worried about Http and the average citizen's usage. Once again, HTTP isn't a network, it's a protocol. But if this bill were passed and the president wanted to block access to HTTP on all networks, he could do so legally. The bill would allow the President to define what a "critical network" was and what a "cyber-emergency" was. This is too much power for anyone. Nobody should have the right to cut people off from information, regardless of how new the information source is. What's next, a bill that allows the president to shut down newspapers and cable news outlets whenever he gets the hankering? |
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. . . to have this authority. A bill has been introduced that would authorize the President to shut down the internet in the event of an "emergency". Does this seem like a good thing to you? yes, the internet is not a necessity, it is a privilege which we managed to survive without for CENTURIES and in this global age can easily become quite a weapon if turned against us.,,,, The internet is a resource that is privately paid for and is maintained by private companies. The Government really shouldn't be messing with it, regardless of if you think it's a necessity or not. There are plenty of things that aren't necessities, that doesn't meant that the government has the right to regulate or control them. |
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The bill would allow the President to define what a "critical network" was and what a "cyber-emergency" was. Quoted for being, probably, the single most important sentence in this thread. This is too much power for anyone. Nobody should have the right to cut people off from information, regardless of how new the information source is. What's next, a bill that allows the president to shut down newspapers and cable news outlets whenever he gets the hankering? |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Mon 02/07/11 10:46 PM
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Many networks are Gov owned and operated.
Many are privately owned. Many are very secure and without the proper passwords and use of the proper protocols can't be accessed. You would have to know quite a bit more than the average internet user to access them. These networks are the ones refered to in the bill. The US Gov has very little interest in what goes over HTTP.  If you don't believe me try and tap into a Nuclear power plant or the Pentagon and see how long it takes for the FBI to knock on your door. |
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These networks are the ones refered to in the bill. Are you the President? Because the bill says that the president gets to decide which networks the bill covers. The US Gov has very little interest in what goes over HTTP. Again: HTTP is a protocol. The bill doesn't address protocols, it addresses networks. |
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