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Topic: Dems Lost Because Many 'Don't Want to Be Governed by an Afri
Fanta46's photo
Sat 01/29/11 01:07 PM
Dem voters did not migrate.
Some may have been disillusioned by the Tea Party, but not as many as the Repub voters.

They simply didn't get as excited by the mid-terms and stayed at home.

TJN's photo
Sat 01/29/11 03:52 PM


Well, there are those that DO things with their lives and there are others who just fret and gnash their teeth about what others are doing with theirs...

Maybe it's just in my circles because I can't account for those southerners that I don't know and haven't discussed the matter with, but I stand by my statement.

I haven't agreed with everything Obama has done, but I sure don't miss Bush either.

If you're implying that all southerners are racist, I consider the implication false at best and inflammatory at worst.

You can stir a very small pot (via posting in a non important internet forum) and still create a big stink, but still, that's all it is...Stink...

All southerners aren't racist bigots. Some of us see the bigger picture and it's low class and inaccurate imo to suggest otherwise.


I'm saying that there are plenty of whites who don't like Obama merely because he is black.
It has nothing to do with region and that anyone, white, who says they have not heard the racism is either a shut-in or a hermit living miles from any other whites.
The racist won't voice their true colors in a mixed crowd, and they won't to it here or in the media, but it sure is happening.
Happening a lot, regularly, and with vehemence.

So then going by how you explained it, plenty of people who are not caucasion who didn't like Bush are racists.

TJN's photo
Sat 01/29/11 04:00 PM
They lost because the dissatisfied Repub voters thought they would get something different with the Tea-Party. Only to find their vote was wasted, as the Tea Party was absorbed by the Repub Party in the end.


This part of your post shows undying faith to the democratic far left wing party and ignorance as to what the Tea-party really is.

It's not a 3rd party. It's a part of the republican party who are going to hold them to conservative values. And rid the party of RINO's.


msharmony's photo
Sat 01/29/11 04:26 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 01/29/11 04:27 PM



Well, there are those that DO things with their lives and there are others who just fret and gnash their teeth about what others are doing with theirs...

Maybe it's just in my circles because I can't account for those southerners that I don't know and haven't discussed the matter with, but I stand by my statement.

I haven't agreed with everything Obama has done, but I sure don't miss Bush either.

If you're implying that all southerners are racist, I consider the implication false at best and inflammatory at worst.

You can stir a very small pot (via posting in a non important internet forum) and still create a big stink, but still, that's all it is...Stink...

All southerners aren't racist bigots. Some of us see the bigger picture and it's low class and inaccurate imo to suggest otherwise.


I'm saying that there are plenty of whites who don't like Obama merely because he is black.
It has nothing to do with region and that anyone, white, who says they have not heard the racism is either a shut-in or a hermit living miles from any other whites.
The racist won't voice their true colors in a mixed crowd, and they won't to it here or in the media, but it sure is happening.
Happening a lot, regularly, and with vehemence.

So then going by how you explained it, plenty of people who are not caucasion who didn't like Bush are racists.


those would be part of the segment who just doesnt vote, being that all the options we have had thus far were white males,,,,

and I am sure there are racists who dont take part in elections at all because they dont care for white males,,,or how they are perceived to run things

more common than those types thourh, are the 'my best friend is' types who are all too open to the capabilities of those from other races but not necessarily because they see the RACE favorably so much as they see that friend as an exception

I think there are undoubtedly those types of racists who saw OBama as a best friend 'exception' but who were all too quick to lean back on their deeper foundation in regard to racial views

InvictusV's photo
Sat 01/29/11 07:20 PM




Well, there are those that DO things with their lives and there are others who just fret and gnash their teeth about what others are doing with theirs...

Maybe it's just in my circles because I can't account for those southerners that I don't know and haven't discussed the matter with, but I stand by my statement.

I haven't agreed with everything Obama has done, but I sure don't miss Bush either.

If you're implying that all southerners are racist, I consider the implication false at best and inflammatory at worst.

You can stir a very small pot (via posting in a non important internet forum) and still create a big stink, but still, that's all it is...Stink...

All southerners aren't racist bigots. Some of us see the bigger picture and it's low class and inaccurate imo to suggest otherwise.


I'm saying that there are plenty of whites who don't like Obama merely because he is black.
It has nothing to do with region and that anyone, white, who says they have not heard the racism is either a shut-in or a hermit living miles from any other whites.
The racist won't voice their true colors in a mixed crowd, and they won't to it here or in the media, but it sure is happening.
Happening a lot, regularly, and with vehemence.

So then going by how you explained it, plenty of people who are not caucasion who didn't like Bush are racists.


those would be part of the segment who just doesnt vote, being that all the options we have had thus far were white males,,,,

and I am sure there are racists who dont take part in elections at all because they dont care for white males,,,or how they are perceived to run things

more common than those types thourh, are the 'my best friend is' types who are all too open to the capabilities of those from other races but not necessarily because they see the RACE favorably so much as they see that friend as an exception

I think there are undoubtedly those types of racists who saw OBama as a best friend 'exception' but who were all too quick to lean back on their deeper foundation in regard to racial views


I think a more reasonable explanation is that people bought into the hope and change and when the change didn't come the hope faded.

I don't buy the idea that someone voted for him and then after a few months realized he was black and then started to oppose him.

Instead of accepting peoples displeasure with his politics and policy, it seems some would rather concoct these types of "well it has to be because he is black because, well it just has to be" fables.

AdventureBegins's photo
Sat 01/29/11 07:25 PM

They lost because the dissatisfied Repub voters thought they would get something different with the Tea-Party. Only to find their vote was wasted, as the Tea Party was absorbed by the Repub Party in the end.


This part of your post shows undying faith to the democratic far left wing party and ignorance as to what the Tea-party really is.

It's not a 3rd party. It's a part of the republican party who are going to hold them to conservative values. And rid the party of RINO's.



I noticed several registered democrats at the 'tea party' events I observed...

Tea Parties are more like fed up americans that have found a 'peaceful' way to protest and make changes...

I fully believe that they will chose both democratic and republican representatives and senators in the next election...

Won't all them political hacks be surprised?!!!

Nyteplay's photo
Sat 01/29/11 09:29 PM
Hmmm.
Race card? Obama's mother was white, which by default classifies him as white by birth.so which race card is being played here?
I don't think the mid-term losses were a reflection of rampart racism in this country but rather a call for change that has been too long in coming from both parties.
In my opinion, the Tea Party is a viable alternative choice
Love her or hate her at least Sarah Palin speaks her mind and does not back away from the issues. She also did a hell of a job for Alaska as governor

msharmony's photo
Sat 01/29/11 10:36 PM





Well, there are those that DO things with their lives and there are others who just fret and gnash their teeth about what others are doing with theirs...

Maybe it's just in my circles because I can't account for those southerners that I don't know and haven't discussed the matter with, but I stand by my statement.

I haven't agreed with everything Obama has done, but I sure don't miss Bush either.

If you're implying that all southerners are racist, I consider the implication false at best and inflammatory at worst.

You can stir a very small pot (via posting in a non important internet forum) and still create a big stink, but still, that's all it is...Stink...

All southerners aren't racist bigots. Some of us see the bigger picture and it's low class and inaccurate imo to suggest otherwise.


I'm saying that there are plenty of whites who don't like Obama merely because he is black.
It has nothing to do with region and that anyone, white, who says they have not heard the racism is either a shut-in or a hermit living miles from any other whites.
The racist won't voice their true colors in a mixed crowd, and they won't to it here or in the media, but it sure is happening.
Happening a lot, regularly, and with vehemence.

So then going by how you explained it, plenty of people who are not caucasion who didn't like Bush are racists.


those would be part of the segment who just doesnt vote, being that all the options we have had thus far were white males,,,,

and I am sure there are racists who dont take part in elections at all because they dont care for white males,,,or how they are perceived to run things

more common than those types thourh, are the 'my best friend is' types who are all too open to the capabilities of those from other races but not necessarily because they see the RACE favorably so much as they see that friend as an exception

I think there are undoubtedly those types of racists who saw OBama as a best friend 'exception' but who were all too quick to lean back on their deeper foundation in regard to racial views


I think a more reasonable explanation is that people bought into the hope and change and when the change didn't come the hope faded.

I don't buy the idea that someone voted for him and then after a few months realized he was black and then started to oppose him.

Instead of accepting peoples displeasure with his politics and policy, it seems some would rather concoct these types of "well it has to be because he is black because, well it just has to be" fables.


I think there are several 'reasonable' explanations which include displeasure with policy, blatant racism(those who would never vote for him), and subtle racism(those who would vote for him if he as not 'typical' of what they think about that race, but who would never give up their usual negative stereotypes if he didnt immediately behave 'non typical')

msharmony's photo
Sat 01/29/11 10:38 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 01/29/11 10:40 PM

Hmmm.
Race card? Obama's mother was white, which by default classifies him as white by birth.so which race card is being played here?
I don't think the mid-term losses were a reflection of rampart racism in this country but rather a call for change that has been too long in coming from both parties.
In my opinion, the Tea Party is a viable alternative choice
Love her or hate her at least Sarah Palin speaks her mind and does not back away from the issues. She also did a hell of a job for Alaska as governor



by whose default? the census mentions nothing about exclusive id by maternal inheritance


our race classifications are based upon ANCESTRY and ASTHETIC features,,which would classify him as BLACK (based on the african heritage AND features)or more honestly BLACK AND WHITE(based on all ancestry), but never just white(european with european appearance)

noone would see him robbing a bank and report it was a 'white man', they may say mixed and most probably would describe him as 'black'

Fanta46's photo
Sun 01/30/11 01:46 AM

Yes, much more complicated.

Can you say Spite?laugh laugh laugh

Then there's the Ron Paul syndrome of idiocy.

Rejuvenated by the Repub created distraction called the Tea Party.

Lead by the woman they couldn't figure out what to do with.
After they brought her to their campaign to counter Clinton and the woman vote she brought to the Obama campaign.

Sarah, "the darling,"ill Palin!
laugh laugh laugh laugh


Spite; 77% of Tea Party supporters had voted for Obama's Republican opponent, John McCain in 2008.

They are significantly more likely to be registered Republican, have a favorable opinion of the Republican Party and an unfavorable opinion of the Democratic Party.

Various Polls tend to show that Tea Party supporters are mainly white and slightly more likely to be male, married, older than 45, more conservative than the general population, and likely to be more wealthy and have more education.

The Bloomberg National Poll showed that 40% are 55 or older, 79% are white, 61% are men and 44% identify as "born-again" Christians, compared to 23.4%, 75%, 48.5%, and 34% for the general population, respectively.


The Washington Post canvass of 647 local Tea Party organizers asked "which national figure best represents your groups?" and got the following responses: no one 34%, Sarah Palin 14%, Glenn Beck 7%, Jim DeMint 6%, Ron Paul 6%, Michele Bachmann 4%.

73% of Tea Party supporters disapprove of Obama's policy of engaging with Muslim countries, 88% approve of the controversial immigration law recently enacted in Arizona, 82% do not believe that gay and lesbian couples should have the legal right to marry, and that about 52% believed that "lesbians and gays have too much political power."

More than half (52%) of Tea Party supporters told pollsters for CBS/New York Times that they think their own "income taxes this year are fair."
Additionally, a Bloomberg News poll found that Tea Partiers are not against increased government action in all cases. “The ideas that find nearly universal agreement among Tea Party supporters are rather vague,” says J. Ann Selzer, the pollster who created the survey. “You would think any idea that involves more government action would be anathema (a denunciation), and that is just not the case.”

A seven state study conducted from the University of Washington found that Tea Party movement supporters within those states were "more likely to be racially resentful" than the population as a whole, even when controlling for partisanship and ideology.
Of white poll respondents who strongly approve of the Tea Party, only 35% believe that blacks are hard-working, compared to 55% of those strongly opposed to the Tea Party, and 40% of all respondents.




Fanta46's photo
Sun 01/30/11 01:57 AM
In an August 2010 article in The New Yorker, Jane Mayer said that the billionaire brothers, David H. Koch and Charles G. Koch, and Koch Industries are providing financial and organizational support to the tea party movement through Americans for Prosperity, which David founded.
The AFP's "Hot Air Tour" organized to fight against taxes on carbon use and the activation of a Cap and Trade program.
In 1984, David Koch also founded Citizens for a Sound Economy, part of which became FreedomWorks in a 2004 split, another group that organized and supports the movement.
Koch Industries issued a press release stating that the Kochs have "no ties to and have never given money to FreedomWorks".
Former ambassador Christopher Meyer writes in the Daily Mail that the Tea Party movement is a mix of "grassroots populism, professional conservative politics, and big money", the latter supplied in part by Charles and David Koch.
Mayer says that the Koch brothers' political involvement with the Tea Party has been so secretive that she labels it "covert".




Koch Industries, Inc. (pronounced /ˈkoʊk/) is an American private energy conglomerate based in Wichita, Kansas, with subsidiaries involved in manufacturing, trading and investments. Koch also owns Invista, Georgia-Pacific, Flint Hill Resources, Koch Pipeline, Koch Fertilizer, Koch Minerals and Matador Cattle Company.

Koch companies are involved in core industries such as the manufacturing, refining and distribution of petroleum, chemicals, energy, fiber, intermediates and polymers, minerals, fertilizers, pulp and paper, chemical technology equipment, ranching, finance, commodities trading, as well as other ventures and investments.

In 2008, Forbes called it the second largest privately held company in the United States (after Cargill) with an annual revenue of about $98 billion, down from the largest in 2006. If Koch Industries were a public company in 2007, it would rank about sixteenth in the Fortune 500.

Fred C. Koch, for whom Koch Industries, Inc. is named, co-founded the company in 1940 and developed an innovative crude oil refining process. His sons, Charles G. Koch, chairman of the board and chief executive officer, and David H. Koch, executive vice president, are principal owners of the company after they bought out their brothers, Frederick and William for $1.1 billion in 1983. Charles and David Koch each own 42% of Koch Industries, and Charles has stated that the company will publicly offer shares "literally over my dead body".





Fanta46's photo
Sun 01/30/11 01:58 AM
From 2005 to 2008, Koch industries spent $5.7 million on political campaigns and $37 million on direct lobbying to support fossil fuel industries.
Greenpeace says that between 1997 and 2008 Koch Industries donated nearly $48m to groups which doubt or oppose the current consensus on climate change.
According to Greenpeace, Koch Industries is the major source of funds of what Greenpeace calls "climate denial".
Koch Industries and its subsidiaries spent more than $20 million on lobbying in 2008 and $12.3 million in 2009, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonpartisan research group.

Fanta46's photo
Sun 01/30/11 02:01 AM
I guess when you have that kind of financial support you have to support continued tax-cuts to the rich.laugh laugh laugh

Lpdon's photo
Mon 01/31/11 09:06 PM
Damn, someone is really obsessed with Sarah Palin.............

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