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Mon 01/24/11 12:34 PM

I do however suggest you brush up on your history. If you think the National Socialist German Workers Party is left wing I have some swamp land for sale.


You are absolutely right!

They were pro-Eugenics. like abortion and trying to eliminate the mentally unfit. (let's ignore the fact that it's left-wing charities that seek genetic markers than can identify if a child has autism while the mother is still pregnant. They have already done that with downs syndrome and now 90% of downs syndrome babies are aborted.)

They were pro-nationalizing all businesses. (I'm glad our Government hasn't bought any car companies and doesn't own the only major passenger train line)

They were pro-Nationalized Healthcare (Only far right wingers would support nationalized healthcare in the USA)

They thought that the Government should supply it's citizens with jobs, rather than private businesses doing that. (Like like Republicans, how they are all anti-business)

They supported large scale old age pension schemes. (Republicans are very fond of social security)

They repudiated property rights. (Republicans totally backed the Kelo decision)

Etc, etc, etc

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Mon 01/24/11 12:46 PM


I do however suggest you brush up on your history. If you think the National Socialist German Workers Party is left wing I have some swamp land for sale.


You are absolutely right!

They were pro-Eugenics. like abortion and trying to eliminate the mentally unfit. (let's ignore the fact that it's left-wing charities that seek genetic markers than can identify if a child has autism while the mother is still pregnant. They have already done that with downs syndrome and now 90% of downs syndrome babies are aborted.)

They were pro-nationalizing all businesses. (I'm glad our Government hasn't bought any car companies and doesn't own the only major passenger train line)

They were pro-Nationalized Healthcare (Only far right wingers would support nationalized healthcare in the USA)

They thought that the Government should supply it's citizens with jobs, rather than private businesses doing that. (Like like Republicans, how they are all anti-business)

They supported large scale old age pension schemes. (Republicans are very fond of social security)

They repudiated property rights. (Republicans totally backed the Kelo decision)

Etc, etc, etc
private, Hitler also said that "I absolutely insist on protecting private property... we must encourage private initiative".[9] On yet another occasion he qualified that statement by saying that the government should have the power to regulate the use of private property for the good of the nation.[10] Hitler clearly believed that the lack of a precise economic programme was one of the Nazi Party's strengths, saying: "The basic feature of our economic theory is that we have no theory at all."[11] While not espousing a specific economic philosophy, Hitler employed anti-semitic themes to attack economic systems in other countries, associating ethnic Jews with both communism ("Jewish Bolsheviks") and capitalism, both of which he opposed.[12][13] Hitler also believed that individuals within a nation battled with each other for survival, and that such ruthless competition was good for the health of the nation, because it promoted "superior individuals" to higher positions in society.[14]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany

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Mon 01/24/11 10:37 PM
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Mon 01/24/11 11:11 PM

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Tue 01/25/11 04:48 AM

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I need a new hobby is it spring yet?

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Thu 01/27/11 02:25 PM
%Different governments today use a variety of government systems, communism, democracy, monarchy etc.... Does this mean there is a monopoly on thought? I don't think because Obama meets with one idealogical thinker he prescribes to every principal of thought that man beleives. This works in reverse as well so when you try and use guilt by association it's ignorant! The cheif reason for gridlock today as well partisan politics! We need solutions and good ideas come from both sides of the aisle, just 94% from the right! biggrin

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Thu 01/27/11 02:35 PM

%Different governments today use a variety of government systems, communism, democracy, monarchy etc.... Does this mean there is a monopoly on thought? I don't think because Obama meets with one idealogical thinker he prescribes to every principal of thought that man beleives. This works in reverse as well so when you try and use guilt by association it's ignorant! The cheif reason for gridlock today as well partisan politics! We need solutions and good ideas come from both sides of the aisle, just 94% from the right! biggrin
yea its a great idea to give tax breaks to the rich and give austarity to the rest of us.

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Thu 01/27/11 02:42 PM


%Different governments today use a variety of government systems, communism, democracy, monarchy etc.... Does this mean there is a monopoly on thought? I don't think because Obama meets with one idealogical thinker he prescribes to every principal of thought that man beleives. This works in reverse as well so when you try and use guilt by association it's ignorant! The cheif reason for gridlock today as well partisan politics! We need solutions and good ideas come from both sides of the aisle, just 94% from the right! biggrin
yea its a great idea to give tax breaks to the rich and give austarity to the rest of us.



lol....tax breaks to the rich? You act like your entitled to the rich mans money! Tax breaks to all americans rich and poor! Tax cuts across the board and shrink government! They take enough money from the rich or upper class! I don't think a rich man is a bad man, on the contrary they are usually very honest, hard working and compassionate people! I don't beleive the lie that because your rich your a bad person and you should have to pay far more in taxes!

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Thu 01/27/11 03:14 PM



%Different governments today use a variety of government systems, communism, democracy, monarchy etc.... Does this mean there is a monopoly on thought? I don't think because Obama meets with one idealogical thinker he prescribes to every principal of thought that man beleives. This works in reverse as well so when you try and use guilt by association it's ignorant! The cheif reason for gridlock today as well partisan politics! We need solutions and good ideas come from both sides of the aisle, just 94% from the right! biggrin
yea its a great idea to give tax breaks to the rich and give austarity to the rest of us.



lol....tax breaks to the rich? You act like your entitled to the rich mans money! Tax breaks to all americans rich and poor! Tax cuts across the board and shrink government! They take enough money from the rich or upper class! I don't think a rich man is a bad man, on the contrary they are usually very honest, hard working and compassionate people! I don't beleive the lie that because your rich your a bad person and you should have to pay far more in taxes!
I dont think they are bad either I work for one. However to refuse to return the tax rate to the pre bush era with the huge defecit we have just isnt responsible. You will be hearing alot about austerity in the comeing weeks SOcial Security will be attacked as well as public workers etc etc. Why cant the rich sacrafice a little for the common good? They wont go hungry unlike grandma who is struggling to pay for her meds and foods.

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Fri 01/28/11 11:39 AM




%Different governments today use a variety of government systems, communism, democracy, monarchy etc.... Does this mean there is a monopoly on thought? I don't think because Obama meets with one idealogical thinker he prescribes to every principal of thought that man beleives. This works in reverse as well so when you try and use guilt by association it's ignorant! The cheif reason for gridlock today as well partisan politics! We need solutions and good ideas come from both sides of the aisle, just 94% from the right! biggrin
yea its a great idea to give tax breaks to the rich and give austarity to the rest of us.



lol....tax breaks to the rich? You act like your entitled to the rich mans money! Tax breaks to all americans rich and poor! Tax cuts across the board and shrink government! They take enough money from the rich or upper class! I don't think a rich man is a bad man, on the contrary they are usually very honest, hard working and compassionate people! I don't beleive the lie that because your rich your a bad person and you should have to pay far more in taxes!
I dont think they are bad either I work for one. However to refuse to return the tax rate to the pre bush era with the huge defecit we have just isnt responsible. You will be hearing alot about austerity in the comeing weeks SOcial Security will be attacked as well as public workers etc etc. Why cant the rich sacrafice a little for the common good? They wont go hungry unlike grandma who is struggling to pay for her meds and foods.
well it is quitte simple because the rich arent the problem! How about we cut governmant for we can feed grandma? Government workers are a huge problem! If california raised the retirement age for governmant employees to 65 the budget would show a surplus! Do you realize this? Oh poor government workers will have to retire the same time all the other american peasants! What, this can't be as a government worker i am entitled to retire before and receive better benefits than the peasant tax payer! Bottom line allowing unions to negotiate with politicians was a stupid idea by jerry brown and it has spread like a cancer throughout government and today the unfunded liabilities are choking us and the unions say go to hell america we want our raise biatch! The hell with grandma we want our raise biatch! So you want to lay grandma on the doorstep of the rich how about government employess? Cause if you check the numbers thay are paid very well but the benefits are off the charts! We have in the state of california over 1,000 teachers retired making 6 figures and with full cadillac benefits! Why don't they pitch in for grandma? the list goes on and on! We had a prison nurse make more than the governor thru overtime! does any of this make sense to you or are you just quoting rhetoric?

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Fri 01/28/11 12:29 PM

private, Hitler also said that "I absolutely insist on protecting private property... we must encourage private initiative".[9] On yet another occasion he qualified that statement by saying that the government should have the power to regulate the use of private property for the good of the nation.[10] Hitler clearly believed that the lack of a precise economic programme was one of the Nazi Party's strengths, saying: "The basic feature of our economic theory is that we have no theory at all."[11] While not espousing a specific economic philosophy, Hitler employed anti-semitic themes to attack economic systems in other countries, associating ethnic Jews with both communism ("Jewish Bolsheviks") and capitalism, both of which he opposed.[12][13] Hitler also believed that individuals within a nation battled with each other for survival, and that such ruthless competition was good for the health of the nation, because it promoted "superior individuals" to higher positions in society.[14]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany

A free history lesson


I don't know why you posted this. If you did it to support my point that the Nazis weren't right wing and were actually left wing, then thank you. If you posted it because you think it supports the idea that the Nazis were right wing, then you obviously didn't understand what you read.

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Fri 01/28/11 04:43 PM
Seriously? laugh rofl

Many conservatives accuse Hitler of being a leftist, on the grounds that his party was named "National Socialist." But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production. In Nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state. True socialism does not advocate such economic dictatorship -- it can only be democratic. Hitler's other political beliefs place him almost always on the far right. He advocated racism over racial tolerance, eugenics over freedom of reproduction, merit over equality, competition over cooperation, power politics and militarism over pacifism, dictatorship over democracy, capitalism over Marxism, realism over idealism, nationalism over internationalism, exclusiveness over inclusiveness, common sense over theory or science, pragmatism over principle, and even held friendly relations with the Church, even though he was an atheist.
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm

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Fri 01/28/11 07:44 PM

Seriously? laugh rofl

Many conservatives accuse Hitler of being a leftist, on the grounds that his party was named "National Socialist." But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production. In Nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state. True socialism does not advocate such economic dictatorship -- it can only be democratic. Hitler's other political beliefs place him almost always on the far right. He advocated racism over racial tolerance, eugenics over freedom of reproduction, merit over equality, competition over cooperation, power politics and militarism over pacifism, dictatorship over democracy, capitalism over Marxism, realism over idealism, nationalism over internationalism, exclusiveness over inclusiveness, common sense over theory or science, pragmatism over principle, and even held friendly relations with the Church, even though he was an atheist.
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm

Invalid assertation...

Hitler advocated whatever worked for his benifit. He spoke the right words...

then took whatever actuall steps HE needed to accomplish his goals.

and he surrounded himself with like minded individuals so that his 'upper' cabinet would support those goals.

Just look at the Nazi flag. In order to be 'true' to what that twisted symbol represents one would have to 'twist' to reach the center and 'lie' to keep the middle class pure... While building your 'ideal' nation upon the blood of the poor or outcast...

Symbols can show the truth for years and yet how many see that truth.

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Sat 01/29/11 12:03 AM


private, Hitler also said that "I absolutely insist on protecting private property... we must encourage private initiative".[9] On yet another occasion he qualified that statement by saying that the government should have the power to regulate the use of private property for the good of the nation.[10] Hitler clearly believed that the lack of a precise economic programme was one of the Nazi Party's strengths, saying: "The basic feature of our economic theory is that we have no theory at all."[11] While not espousing a specific economic philosophy, Hitler employed anti-semitic themes to attack economic systems in other countries, associating ethnic Jews with both communism ("Jewish Bolsheviks") and capitalism, both of which he opposed.[12][13] Hitler also believed that individuals within a nation battled with each other for survival, and that such ruthless competition was good for the health of the nation, because it promoted "superior individuals" to higher positions in society.[14]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany

A free history lesson


I don't know why you posted this. If you did it to support my point that the Nazis weren't right wing and were actually left wing, then thank you. If you posted it because you think it supports the idea that the Nazis were right wing, then you obviously didn't understand what you read.



Oh i rant and get off topic often. But i was just commenting back to previous quoters.

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Sat 01/29/11 12:19 AM

Seriously? laugh rofl

Many conservatives accuse Hitler of being a leftist, on the grounds that his party was named "National Socialist." But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production. In Nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state. True socialism does not advocate such economic dictatorship -- it can only be democratic. Hitler's other political beliefs place him almost always on the far right. He advocated racism over racial tolerance, eugenics over freedom of reproduction, merit over equality, competition over cooperation, power politics and militarism over pacifism, dictatorship over democracy, capitalism over Marxism, realism over idealism, nationalism over internationalism, exclusiveness over inclusiveness, common sense over theory or science, pragmatism over principle, and even held friendly relations with the Church, even though he was an atheist.
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm


I still think that many of you miss the point! There is no ACTUAL "left" or "right"! There have been many papers, therories an such written and put in place for government. Hitler was for the most part an extremist and yes mostly right but also left on issues as well, as in the nationalist socialist party. The very name says right left party. Nationalism a right wing issue and socialism being a left wing issue. Like i said before there is no monopoly on thought and hybrid governments are the norm not the exception. It's ironic though when you see liberals side with extreme right wingers like muslim groups and dead against christian groups. Politics make for strange bed fellows!

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Sat 01/29/11 01:14 PM


Seriously? laugh rofl

Many conservatives accuse Hitler of being a leftist, on the grounds that his party was named "National Socialist." But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production. In Nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state. True socialism does not advocate such economic dictatorship -- it can only be democratic. Hitler's other political beliefs place him almost always on the far right. He advocated racism over racial tolerance, eugenics over freedom of reproduction, merit over equality, competition over cooperation, power politics and militarism over pacifism, dictatorship over democracy, capitalism over Marxism, realism over idealism, nationalism over internationalism, exclusiveness over inclusiveness, common sense over theory or science, pragmatism over principle, and even held friendly relations with the Church, even though he was an atheist.
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm


I still think that many of you miss the point! There is no ACTUAL "left" or "right"! There have been many papers, therories an such written and put in place for government. Hitler was for the most part an extremist and yes mostly right but also left on issues as well, as in the nationalist socialist party. The very name says right left party. Nationalism a right wing issue and socialism being a left wing issue. Like i said before there is no monopoly on thought and hybrid governments are the norm not the exception. It's ironic though when you see liberals side with extreme right wingers like muslim groups and dead against christian groups. Politics make for strange bed fellows!
Socialism is an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources.[1][2][3] A socialist society is a social structure organized on the basis of relatively equal power-relations, self-management, dispersed decision-making (adhocracy) and a reduction or elimination of hierarchical and bureaucratic forms of administration and governance; the extent of which varies in different types of socialism.[4][5] This ranges from the establishment of cooperative management structures in the economy to the abolition of all hierarchical structures in favor of free association.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

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