If they impede the progress of the debt they have done their job.

We couldn't survive another year of the democrats spending programs.

I suppose that is what you call progress..

Actually you seem to have missed the point.

They did a BIG thing.

They showed us right were the government is broken.

When the Peoples House of Representatives send legislation to the Senate... and that legislation can be held without vote...

The People have no real voice.

They have shown is the hypocracy of the Democrats that hold office...

How many of you that are registered democrats 1. Are afraid that the Senate vote would go bad for HC? or 2. Are outraged at the CHEEEK of a Senator that BECAUSE he holds power BELIEVES he has the right to hold up something that a majority of Americans would like to see go forward (indeed many newly elected members ran on repeal and their election to office would indicate a need to proceed).

Is Senator Reid's single voice more important then YOURS.

Its not symbolic. They can deny funds to the programs. You obviously think nothing can be done, but oh how wrong you are..

I already knew the Senate wasn't voting on it, they said it before all this happened. It is the Senate who doesn't want to vote on it as was said before this vote happened. So no Senate vote and good deal.

No surprise and it is a good deal, we need to move on.

It is done the symbolic no change vote has happened and it did nothing so we all need to move forward.

The repubs don't care about debt, if they did they wouldn't have voted the Bush tax cuts in for the wealthy again.

That was like 6 billion we could have put towards the debt.

I hate double talk.

But you will accept 'double math'.

Bet the Senate changes hands right quick come next election. I am not the only one that does not forget these things.

You are so focused on the HC bill that you can't see the truth. Our country can not afford this bill in its current form. It isn't even about Health Care. I READ it. It is about ADMINISTERING to the SYSTEM and has very little to do with actual care. It is about moving funds about without oversight. (wow that will heal a LOT of people). It is about hiring more people to work for a government that can only pay those more people if it TAXES all the rest of us.

that is not job growth... That is growing government.

Your opinion and I read it also.

I disagree with your analysis.

you have the right to disagree. Thats what makes my county great.

However the Senate does not have the right to hold back a measure of the people... when that holding is simply a political trick.

Indeed it may piss a lot of people off. (even among those that support Health Care)...

It smacks of the same kind of political crap that was used to PASS the Health Care bill in the first place.

Which is one reason why the House of Representatives is breaking in so many 'freshmen'.

The Senate doesn't have to vote on the stupid repeal.

It was not a requirement of them to do so.

So no one is holding anything back.

The Dems will do well the next election no problem.

raising taxes and spending the money doesn't pay down the debt.

you really think the democrats were going to raise taxes and not spend the money?

yeah.. sure they wouldn't..

So then... Let me get this straight.

The House of Representatives is supposed to legislate on behalf of the people.

Yet legislation passed by that same house has no meaning...

I think not.

By the People for the People.

WE hold Governance of this nation.

Bet some fur flys that not one politician expected.

I guess you would be sure of that.

Might not be what happened though,

I just gotta say this.

There is a lot in that bill that might be very good... Cept for one little thing.

It does not actually guarantee those things.

It tells a lot of pretty promises all through it. Tells insurance companies what they can and can't do... Puts a lot of emphasis on parts of our health care system that do need some emphasis...

and then it gives itself a loop hole to 'regulate' all those things away.

but its biggest problem as far as I am concerned is that it will be necessary every 4 to 10 years to 'refund' it... Why? Because they fuzzed the math at the engine and put off the 'accounting' till the cabose hits the crossing.

It will allways be 'out' of funding. Kinda like putting a truck motor on a big rig... While the rig is 'bob tail' it moves just fine, but pick up a 'load' and bog down it will.

Truth!

Bump

excluding the clinton years

what was the last administration(of either party) which LOWERED the deficit?

why does each party claim to be so immune and opposed to the very things that they have historically and continually been a part of?

From what I can find the Republican party controlled both houses of Congress from 2002 through 2006. In the 2006 elections, Democrats took a small majority of 51-49 in the senate and 233-202 in the House of Representatives which they held for the two years leading up to the 2008 election.

Update:In the 1994 midterm elections Republicans regained control of both the Senate and the House of Representatives. The Republicans lost control of the Senate in 2001 by one vote due to Sanders of Vt switching to Independent caucusing with the Democrats. The Republicans regained control in 2003 maintaining a majority in both houses losing control only in the 2006 elections. Source:http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/l/bl_party_division_2.htm

It's all on the Republican Party.

Transference of guilt in this case is untrue!