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Topic: Staying Mad and Middle Class in the USA
oldsage's photo
Sat 01/01/11 06:58 AM
2 term limits, NO retirement cks for politicians, same health care for politicians as the public. some great starters. Get this country back to common sense, instead of all this BS. No more "pork barrel" politics.

Bestinshow's photo
Sat 01/01/11 08:47 AM
Edited by Bestinshow on Sat 01/01/11 08:48 AM

So I consider daycare to be a private thing. It is not necessary. We can't take away all personal responsibility. The government is not here to baby us. When I move back to the US I will have to look for a job and have no health insurance while I do it. My meds will cost hundreds of dollars while I am w/o insurance. I have been saving just in case I have a hard time finding a job when I get back.

Right now if you lose your job you get unemployment. Cobra subsidizes your insurance cost by paying 66% of your premiums etc.

Our mindsets should not be for example "I want a kid but don't have either the time to look after them or a family member to look after them or the money to pay for daycare so the government should do it for me." We need to be responsible for ourselves and our families. The government should provide defense, education, roads, public services like police and firefighters. Companies pay unemployment not individuals.

Pretty soon people are gonna want the government to provide someone to wipe their *** because they are too lazy to do it themselves.
laughable realy. The reasone the government helps with day care/childcare/school lunches/ whatever is that it has been proven to be a wise investment. You will pay one way or another for poverty. A poor kid who is not educated or cared for properly tends to turn towards crime so you pay to jail them or you pay with more police and social programs it is far cheaper and better for society to spend the pennies it takes to keep kids on the right track and nurture them into productive citizens than to let them drift into poverty and crime. You mindset is that of a juvenile who hasnt raised kids or understands the world beyond the tunnel vission of your own perspective. You seem to me a true blue republican

msharmony's photo
Sat 01/01/11 11:37 AM


I would make a larger investment to get a larger return,,,thats just me. ITs how they do it in the UK and I think it works pretty well for them, I would live there if my family werent HERE.


The point is "you" would be willing for that. If you don't make that much money than yea its not much more of an investment is it? But why should the Doctor who went to med school for 4 years after college who now makes 300k (random salary) and decided to have no children have to pay 18% more or 54k a year more for things he doesn't need? I mean him paying 150k a year sounds pretty crappy to me.

I dont want a nanny state. There are plenty of countries like that already. I would rather keep more of my own money and use it to pay for things I need. I know how to save and manage my own money. I don't need to government stepping in and taking it and saying they know how to use it better.

I don't want the government telling me what doctors I can go to. I know a guy that had a giant hole in his leg from an antibiotic resistant staff infection because his countries doctors didn't run sufficient tests because of their "government health care". I have also heard horror stories from acne sufferers who couldn't go to a dermatologist because their regular doctor wouldn't sign off on it. Bunch of red tape crap with government run HC.



My husband was british, noone told him what doctor he could go to, he chose and they paid. I pay taxes for lots of things that dont seem to benefit me like science and research and god knows what else, I wouldnt mind seeing directly some benefit for what I pay in. In my community or in my household. As I said, its an investment I would be willing to make. 150,000 when you have no medical bills or student loans to repay is quite sufficient....

msharmony's photo
Sat 01/01/11 11:39 AM

America has always been a place where anybody can make their dreams come true...meaning that there is no laws holding them back.

And people have long aspired to become rich. Some have, some have'nt.
But with a BS tax like whats proposed for the rich, where's the incentive for someone to want to become wealthy if the govt. is effectively going to smack them back down again??

The leftists and socialists are all riding this wave of hatred against rich people all of a sudden, because they all think they are all Republicans who are in bed with big business.

But they dont want the same for the Democrats who are in the same position!!

But what about the ones who built their own fortunes by working hard and climbing to the top??....now they get to be penalized financially because there are many more who have not attained the same destination in life??


as posted before, wealth is not all about merit based earnings,,,and there are plenty of INCENTIVES and REWARDS given to those who have wealth(true wealth, as opposed to income which many confuse). So why accept the rewards but whine about the sacrifice when it comes time to balance things ,,,?


Bestinshow's photo
Sun 01/02/11 01:02 PM
Edited by Bestinshow on Sun 01/02/11 01:03 PM


America has always been a place where anybody can make their dreams come true...meaning that there is no laws holding them back.

And people have long aspired to become rich. Some have, some have'nt.
But with a BS tax like whats proposed for the rich, where's the incentive for someone to want to become wealthy if the govt. is effectively going to smack them back down again??

The leftists and socialists are all riding this wave of hatred against rich people all of a sudden, because they all think they are all Republicans who are in bed with big business.

But they dont want the same for the Democrats who are in the same position!!

But what about the ones who built their own fortunes by working hard and climbing to the top??....now they get to be penalized financially because there are many more who have not attained the same destination in life??


as posted before, wealth is not all about merit based earnings,,,and there are plenty of INCENTIVES and REWARDS given to those who have wealth(true wealth, as opposed to income which many confuse). So why accept the rewards but whine about the sacrifice when it comes time to balance things ,,,?


Realy the middle class is being exterminated. Everything has gone up except the wages so we have less and less disposable income. The only people who have done well are the top 3% those being the ones who benefit from lower real wages on workers and higher prices for the things they sell and produce. The system is so rigged at this time in history its no small wonder people accross Europe are rioting.

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