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I didn't support the war in Iraq either for the reasons Bush gave. However, try asking most Iraqi's if we did wrong by invading their country? Truth is, most Iraqi's like what the U.S. did because it got rid of Saddam and then helped them to rebuild their government and country. I don't know this from any media reports or any propaganda spewed at me. I know this because of all the soldiers I've talked to since they returned home from Iraq. Of course a few bad things happened, and of course many Iraqis would like us to withdraw, but do not mistake that for ingratitude or hatred. Most Iraqis just want to stand on their own feet. They appreciate what the U.S. has done to improve the country, but they just feel it is time they took care of themselves. And WMDs were never found. Truth is, Saddam had dismantled, destroyed, or even sold off all his WMDs before the U.S. invaded. It was an act of self-preservation on his part. First, maybe it would halt the invasion. Second, no WMDs found would embarrass the U.S. And third, a stray missile or artillery shell could conceivably released hundreds, if not thousands, of gallons of deadly gas. If Saddam and his people survived the gas, the Iraqis left would have rebelled against him. The chemical deaths from the Iran-Iraq War sucked the will to fight from both sides. Too many people still remember just how many people died. It is still a sore wound for many middle aged Iraqis. Isn't it funny how North Korea and Iran step up nuclear projects shortly after Iraq was invaded? Could it be that they bought Saddam's nuclear research? |
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Considering that Saddam was fully capable of pulling off a 9/11 and never did and yet his country paid by blood for the crime it is a travesty and makes us tyrants. Saddam funded hundreds of suicide bombings in Israel, gassed the Kurds, filled several mass graves with Shia supposed to be his opponents or detractors. So don't say he never did. He did pull off many 9/11 attacks and he had to go - one way or another. It does not make us tyrants. It makes us heroes. Heroes who came and did what was needed to free people under horrible oppression. Despite the danger to ourselves. Despite internecine fighting all around us. Despite the condemnation of ignorant Americans and apathy from those who were less affected by the terrorism and injustice of Saddam's rule. We can be proud of our accomplishments in Iraq. We have been gone for a while now and it is completely up to the Iraqis themselves what kind of government and life they can make for themselves. I wish them all the best. We did not create the conflict and mayhem there. It had been going on for hundreds and hundreds of years. We helped put an end to a particularly ugly chapter of the conflict and gave them an opportunity to have peace if they will have it while protecting ourselves from a real imminent threat of terrorism even without weapons of mass destruction. A strong case can be made for the confrontation and ouster of Saddam Hussein. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SneP29XbOw http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2846365.stm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/legacyofterror.html |
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Considering that Saddam was fully capable of pulling off a 9/11 and never did and yet his country paid by blood for the crime it is a travesty and makes us tyrants. Saddam funded hundreds of suicide bombings in Israel, gassed the Kurds, filled several mass graves with Shia supposed to be his opponents or detractors. So don't say he never did. He did pull off many 9/11 attacks and he had to go - one way or another. It does not make us tyrants. It makes us heroes. Heroes who came and did what was needed to free people under horrible oppression. Despite the danger to ourselves. Despite internecine fighting all around us. Despite the condemnation of ignorant Americans and apathy from those who were less affected by the terrorism and injustice of Saddam's rule. We can be proud of our accomplishments in Iraq. We have been gone for a while now and it is completely up to the Iraqis themselves what kind of government and life they can make for themselves. I wish them all the best. We did not create the conflict and mayhem there. It had been going on for hundreds and hundreds of years. We helped put an end to a particularly ugly chapter of the conflict and gave them an opportunity to have peace if they will have it while protecting ourselves from a real imminent threat of terrorism even without weapons of mass destruction. A strong case can be made for the confrontation and ouster of Saddam Hussein. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SneP29XbOw http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2846365.stm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/legacyofterror.html |
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Do I need to remind people which President was in office when Saddam got into power, and who helped Saddam get into power? Mr. Peanut himself, Jimmy "Pansy" Carter.
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Do I need to remind people which President was in office when Saddam got into power, and who helped Saddam get into power? Mr. Peanut himself, Jimmy "Pansy" Carter. |
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Do I need to remind people which President was in office when Saddam got into power, and who helped Saddam get into power? Mr. Peanut himself, Jimmy "Pansy" Carter. how true...they all have an agenda, and someone to blame it on when they get caught... |
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Considering that Saddam was fully capable of pulling off a 9/11 and never did and yet his country paid by blood for the crime it is a travesty and makes us tyrants. Saddam funded hundreds of suicide bombings in Israel, gassed the Kurds, filled several mass graves with Shia supposed to be his opponents or detractors. So don't say he never did. He did pull off many 9/11 attacks and he had to go - one way or another. It does not make us tyrants. It makes us heroes. Heroes who came and did what was needed to free people under horrible oppression. Despite the danger to ourselves. Despite internecine fighting all around us. Despite the condemnation of ignorant Americans and apathy from those who were less affected by the terrorism and injustice of Saddam's rule. We can be proud of our accomplishments in Iraq. We have been gone for a while now and it is completely up to the Iraqis themselves what kind of government and life they can make for themselves. I wish them all the best. We did not create the conflict and mayhem there. It had been going on for hundreds and hundreds of years. We helped put an end to a particularly ugly chapter of the conflict and gave them an opportunity to have peace if they will have it while protecting ourselves from a real imminent threat of terrorism even without weapons of mass destruction. A strong case can be made for the confrontation and ouster of Saddam Hussein. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SneP29XbOw http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2846365.stm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/legacyofterror.html Nonsense. Although he was the recipient of aid from the U.S. and others previously for various reasons, Saddam did these things without the knowledge, cooperation or approval of those who had provided aid to him at earlier times. To suggest otherwise is simply ridiculous and inaccurate. Read the links cited above. |
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Considering that Saddam was fully capable of pulling off a 9/11 and never did and yet his country paid by blood for the crime it is a travesty and makes us tyrants. Saddam funded hundreds of suicide bombings in Israel, gassed the Kurds, filled several mass graves with Shia supposed to be his opponents or detractors. So don't say he never did. He did pull off many 9/11 attacks and he had to go - one way or another. It does not make us tyrants. It makes us heroes. Heroes who came and did what was needed to free people under horrible oppression. Despite the danger to ourselves. Despite internecine fighting all around us. Despite the condemnation of ignorant Americans and apathy from those who were less affected by the terrorism and injustice of Saddam's rule. We can be proud of our accomplishments in Iraq. We have been gone for a while now and it is completely up to the Iraqis themselves what kind of government and life they can make for themselves. I wish them all the best. We did not create the conflict and mayhem there. It had been going on for hundreds and hundreds of years. We helped put an end to a particularly ugly chapter of the conflict and gave them an opportunity to have peace if they will have it while protecting ourselves from a real imminent threat of terrorism even without weapons of mass destruction. A strong case can be made for the confrontation and ouster of Saddam Hussein. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SneP29XbOw http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2846365.stm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/legacyofterror.html Nonsense. Although he was the recipient of aid from the U.S. and others previously for various reasons, Saddam did these things without the knowledge, cooperation or approval of those who had provided aid to him at earlier times. To suggest otherwise is simply ridiculous and inaccurate. Read the links cited above. |
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Considering that Saddam was fully capable of pulling off a 9/11 and never did and yet his country paid by blood for the crime it is a travesty and makes us tyrants. Saddam funded hundreds of suicide bombings in Israel, gassed the Kurds, filled several mass graves with Shia supposed to be his opponents or detractors. So don't say he never did. He did pull off many 9/11 attacks and he had to go - one way or another. It does not make us tyrants. It makes us heroes. Heroes who came and did what was needed to free people under horrible oppression. Despite the danger to ourselves. Despite internecine fighting all around us. Despite the condemnation of ignorant Americans and apathy from those who were less affected by the terrorism and injustice of Saddam's rule. We can be proud of our accomplishments in Iraq. We have been gone for a while now and it is completely up to the Iraqis themselves what kind of government and life they can make for themselves. I wish them all the best. We did not create the conflict and mayhem there. It had been going on for hundreds and hundreds of years. We helped put an end to a particularly ugly chapter of the conflict and gave them an opportunity to have peace if they will have it while protecting ourselves from a real imminent threat of terrorism even without weapons of mass destruction. A strong case can be made for the confrontation and ouster of Saddam Hussein. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SneP29XbOw http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2846365.stm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/legacyofterror.html Nonsense. Although he was the recipient of aid from the U.S. and others previously for various reasons, Saddam did these things without the knowledge, cooperation or approval of those who had provided aid to him at earlier times. To suggest otherwise is simply ridiculous and inaccurate. Read the links cited above. Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam is hardly an endorsement of genocide. Sure the U.S. supplied about $40B to Iraq during the war with Iran but the Kurds were gassed after the war was over and it was not approved or condoned by the U.S. Shortly thereafter Saddam invaded Kuwait and we were at war. All of this pales in comparison with the $157B which has been expended since the toppling of Saddam to help reconstruct Iraq. So basically - yeah - you got nothing. The U.S. supported Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war as the lesser of two evils and as a counterbalance to the radical Islamic Iranian theocracy. That support did not extend to condoning any of Saddams atrocities. When Saddam supported terrorism and invaded Kuwait we stopped him. On your side of the argument you have a video of a handshake with Rumsfeld which proves nothing. ![]() ![]() |
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When I was in Europe, at the beginning of the 80s. Part of the US War plan in case Russia attacked, were to use battlefield nukes, fired by artillery, to blow a hole in the USSR's lines.
Then rush 100s of thousands of troops through the radioactive hole. Europe is probably 10-20 times as densely populated as the Kurdish part of Iraq. Yet, I never heard a single plan to warn the civilian population in advance of using the nukes, or biological, or chemical weapons. Do you think the US military would have hesitated to kill thousands of European citizens had Russia attacked? |
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When I was in Europe, at the beginning of the 80s. Part of the US War plan in case Russia attacked, were to use battlefield nukes, fired by artillery, to blow a hole in the USSR's lines. Then rush 100s of thousands of troops through the radioactive hole. Europe is probably 10-20 times as densely populated as the Kurdish part of Iraq. Yet, I never heard a single plan to warn the civilian population in advance of using the nukes, or biological, or chemical weapons. Do you think the US military would have hesitated to kill thousands of European citizens had Russia attacked? speculation....doesn't matter |
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Considering that Saddam was fully capable of pulling off a 9/11 and never did and yet his country paid by blood for the crime it is a travesty and makes us tyrants. Saddam funded hundreds of suicide bombings in Israel, gassed the Kurds, filled several mass graves with Shia supposed to be his opponents or detractors. So don't say he never did. He did pull off many 9/11 attacks and he had to go - one way or another. It does not make us tyrants. It makes us heroes. Heroes who came and did what was needed to free people under horrible oppression. Despite the danger to ourselves. Despite internecine fighting all around us. Despite the condemnation of ignorant Americans and apathy from those who were less affected by the terrorism and injustice of Saddam's rule. We can be proud of our accomplishments in Iraq. We have been gone for a while now and it is completely up to the Iraqis themselves what kind of government and life they can make for themselves. I wish them all the best. We did not create the conflict and mayhem there. It had been going on for hundreds and hundreds of years. We helped put an end to a particularly ugly chapter of the conflict and gave them an opportunity to have peace if they will have it while protecting ourselves from a real imminent threat of terrorism even without weapons of mass destruction. A strong case can be made for the confrontation and ouster of Saddam Hussein. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SneP29XbOw http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2846365.stm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/legacyofterror.html Nonsense. Although he was the recipient of aid from the U.S. and others previously for various reasons, Saddam did these things without the knowledge, cooperation or approval of those who had provided aid to him at earlier times. To suggest otherwise is simply ridiculous and inaccurate. Read the links cited above. Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam is hardly an endorsement of genocide. Sure the U.S. supplied about $40B to Iraq during the war with Iran but the Kurds were gassed after the war was over and it was not approved or condoned by the U.S. Shortly thereafter Saddam invaded Kuwait and we were at war. All of this pales in comparison with the $157B which has been expended since the toppling of Saddam to help reconstruct Iraq. So basically - yeah - you got nothing. The U.S. supported Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war as the lesser of two evils and as a counterbalance to the radical Islamic Iranian theocracy. That support did not extend to condoning any of Saddams atrocities. When Saddam supported terrorism and invaded Kuwait we stopped him. On your side of the argument you have a video of a handshake with Rumsfeld which proves nothing. ![]() ![]() |
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When I was in Europe, at the beginning of the 80s. Part of the US War plan in case Russia attacked, were to use battlefield nukes, fired by artillery, to blow a hole in the USSR's lines. Then rush 100s of thousands of troops through the radioactive hole. Europe is probably 10-20 times as densely populated as the Kurdish part of Iraq. Yet, I never heard a single plan to warn the civilian population in advance of using the nukes, or biological, or chemical weapons. Do you think the US military would have hesitated to kill thousands of European citizens had Russia attacked? speculation....doesn't matter ![]() |
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Do I need to remind people which President was in office when Saddam got into power, and who helped Saddam get into power? Mr. Peanut himself, Jimmy "Pansy" Carter. and who helped Saddam get into power ![]() ![]() ![]() Poppycock! |
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Do I need to remind people which President was in office when Saddam got into power, and who helped Saddam get into power? Mr. Peanut himself, Jimmy "Pansy" Carter. and who helped Saddam get into power ![]() ![]() ![]() Poppycock! Saddam became President in 1979. |
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A preliminary Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) study at the time reported that it was Iran that was responsible for the attack, an assessment which was used subsequently by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) for much of the early 1990s. The CIA's senior political analyst for the Iran-Iraq war, Stephen C. Pelletiere, co-authored an unclassified analysis of the war which contained a brief summary of the DIA study's key points. The CIA altered its position radically in the late 1990s and cited Halabja frequently in its evidence of weapons of mass destruction before the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Pelletiere claimed that a fact that has not been successfully challenged is that Iraq was not known to have possessed the cyanide-based blood agents determined to have been responsible for the condition of the bodies that were examined, and that blue discolorations around the mouths of the victims and in their extremities, pointed to Iranian-used gas as the culprit. As of 2010 none of this fact-based evidence has been challenged, all subsequent re-evaluations have been based on careful selection of opinions and speculation by third-parties. Some opponents to the Iraq sanctions have cited the DIA report to support their position that Iraq was not responsible for the Halabja attack.
Bush and Cheney are liars! They changed history to support their cause for going to war. All they really wanted was to increase their profits from the oil rights. |
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Considering that Saddam was fully capable of pulling off a 9/11 and never did and yet his country paid by blood for the crime it is a travesty and makes us tyrants. Saddam funded hundreds of suicide bombings in Israel, gassed the Kurds, filled several mass graves with Shia supposed to be his opponents or detractors. So don't say he never did. He did pull off many 9/11 attacks and he had to go - one way or another. It does not make us tyrants. It makes us heroes. Heroes who came and did what was needed to free people under horrible oppression. Despite the danger to ourselves. Despite internecine fighting all around us. Despite the condemnation of ignorant Americans and apathy from those who were less affected by the terrorism and injustice of Saddam's rule. We can be proud of our accomplishments in Iraq. We have been gone for a while now and it is completely up to the Iraqis themselves what kind of government and life they can make for themselves. I wish them all the best. We did not create the conflict and mayhem there. It had been going on for hundreds and hundreds of years. We helped put an end to a particularly ugly chapter of the conflict and gave them an opportunity to have peace if they will have it while protecting ourselves from a real imminent threat of terrorism even without weapons of mass destruction. A strong case can be made for the confrontation and ouster of Saddam Hussein. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SneP29XbOw http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2846365.stm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/legacyofterror.html Nonsense. Although he was the recipient of aid from the U.S. and others previously for various reasons, Saddam did these things without the knowledge, cooperation or approval of those who had provided aid to him at earlier times. To suggest otherwise is simply ridiculous and inaccurate. Read the links cited above. Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam is hardly an endorsement of genocide. Sure the U.S. supplied about $40B to Iraq during the war with Iran but the Kurds were gassed after the war was over and it was not approved or condoned by the U.S. Shortly thereafter Saddam invaded Kuwait and we were at war. All of this pales in comparison with the $157B which has been expended since the toppling of Saddam to help reconstruct Iraq. So basically - yeah - you got nothing. The U.S. supported Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war as the lesser of two evils and as a counterbalance to the radical Islamic Iranian theocracy. That support did not extend to condoning any of Saddams atrocities. When Saddam supported terrorism and invaded Kuwait we stopped him. On your side of the argument you have a video of a handshake with Rumsfeld which proves nothing. ![]() ![]() Doesn't tell you or anyone else squat. Every country has public positions, propaganda and backdoor diplomacy. So what big deal. The U.S. can take pride in not supporting genocide and for supporting Iraq's efforts against the Iran theocrats and also for supporting Kuwait in liberating them from Saddam later. We did not pay lip service to genocide and any support of foreign governments has generally been done for humanitarian reasons or to bolster U.S. allies or interests. It is simply naive or ignorant to fail to understand such motivations and then construct unsubstantiated conspiracies about the U.S. Govt. It is also paranoid and delusional. ![]() |
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Considering that Saddam was fully capable of pulling off a 9/11 and never did and yet his country paid by blood for the crime it is a travesty and makes us tyrants. Saddam funded hundreds of suicide bombings in Israel, gassed the Kurds, filled several mass graves with Shia supposed to be his opponents or detractors. So don't say he never did. He did pull off many 9/11 attacks and he had to go - one way or another. It does not make us tyrants. It makes us heroes. Heroes who came and did what was needed to free people under horrible oppression. Despite the danger to ourselves. Despite internecine fighting all around us. Despite the condemnation of ignorant Americans and apathy from those who were less affected by the terrorism and injustice of Saddam's rule. We can be proud of our accomplishments in Iraq. We have been gone for a while now and it is completely up to the Iraqis themselves what kind of government and life they can make for themselves. I wish them all the best. We did not create the conflict and mayhem there. It had been going on for hundreds and hundreds of years. We helped put an end to a particularly ugly chapter of the conflict and gave them an opportunity to have peace if they will have it while protecting ourselves from a real imminent threat of terrorism even without weapons of mass destruction. A strong case can be made for the confrontation and ouster of Saddam Hussein. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SneP29XbOw http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2846365.stm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/legacyofterror.html Nonsense. Although he was the recipient of aid from the U.S. and others previously for various reasons, Saddam did these things without the knowledge, cooperation or approval of those who had provided aid to him at earlier times. To suggest otherwise is simply ridiculous and inaccurate. Read the links cited above. Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam is hardly an endorsement of genocide. Sure the U.S. supplied about $40B to Iraq during the war with Iran but the Kurds were gassed after the war was over and it was not approved or condoned by the U.S. Shortly thereafter Saddam invaded Kuwait and we were at war. All of this pales in comparison with the $157B which has been expended since the toppling of Saddam to help reconstruct Iraq. So basically - yeah - you got nothing. The U.S. supported Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war as the lesser of two evils and as a counterbalance to the radical Islamic Iranian theocracy. That support did not extend to condoning any of Saddams atrocities. When Saddam supported terrorism and invaded Kuwait we stopped him. On your side of the argument you have a video of a handshake with Rumsfeld which proves nothing. ![]() ![]() Doesn't tell you or anyone else squat. Every country has public positions, propaganda and backdoor diplomacy. So what big deal. The U.S. can take pride in not supporting genocide and for supporting Iraq's efforts against the Iran theocrats and also for supporting Kuwait in liberating them from Saddam later. We did not pay lip service to genocide and any support of foreign governments has generally been done for humanitarian reasons or to bolster U.S. allies or interests. It is simply naive or ignorant to fail to understand such motivations and then construct unsubstantiated conspiracies about the U.S. Govt. It is also paranoid and delusional. ![]() |
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Do I need to remind people which President was in office when Saddam got into power, and who helped Saddam get into power? Mr. Peanut himself, Jimmy "Pansy" Carter. and who helped Saddam get into power ![]() ![]() ![]() Poppycock! Saddam became President in 1979. So what? Anyone can do a quick check in wiki and come up with that. That's when he became President. Not when he gained control. Saddam was in power long before that. Read more history than the first paragraph and you'd know Carter didn't help Saddam gain power. Also, It's more than speculation. What I say of the US Military plan for Western Europe if the Russians had crossed the line is fact. First hand knowledge of fact. And only a fool would believe the public would have been for warned. During the Cold War, the US had 367,000 ARMY (not counting AF and what not) in Western Europe. Most within 100 km of a well trained, well armed, and tested military that outnumbered us and our Allies 12 to 1. We had more Nuclear, Biological, and chemical weapons than any country on earth. We have used them in the past and we would not or have hesitated to do so again. We would not announce it before hand, and seeing that no one can guarantee the direction of the wind at anytime, we would accept innocent human casualties as an inadvertent cost of war. |
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Like I said,
the above is not speculation. It is first hand knowledge of the reality your gov wont tell you publicly. |
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