yes, the law condoned it, but the parent had every right to be outraged by it

He had no right to do anything though.

not to castrate him, but having a 'talk' would definitely be understandable

Sure a desire to talk to him is natural. He doesn't have the right to talk to him. His talk or meeting can be refused by the man that is sleeping with his daughter.

Sure a desire to talk sorry double post

You have a very warped opinion on when NO applies!

You do not let a man begin to get busy and pull the plug on him! The only VIABLE reason is she really is suffering pain but emotional trauma? PLEASE!

Saying YES and then saying NO at the last possible second is a load! Women that play like that are WORTHLESS SCUM SUCKING BEYATCHES! Stop sucking others into your fantasy world of unnecessary drama. No applies before getting into bed, not right after the green light has shined and the race began!

You evidently wrote your own book on the mechanics of sex. Try this on for size...

You are sitting in a top fuel funny car that has 2500 Brake Horse Power and the light goes green and you stomp your foot to the floor and the car launches. Now some idiot steps in front of you yelling stop when you are leaving contrails of white behind you with 4000 lbs of car rapidly approaching 200mph in under a hundred feet. That car is not stopping. You let a man begin to have sex and you try to make him stop mid coitus you are asking something that is damn near next to impossible because frankly it is a lot more than balls screaming for release. Ever hear of blue balls? It is not fun and yet women like you think it is so easy for a man to control himself like a machine.

Long story short, WHATEVER! Believe what you want to believe. Rape is a word women throw around WAY too easy these days. I am glad I am not wasting time dating you!

And Fanta, Your a suck up! Whatever gets the girl, right?

The NASTIEST girls/ women I knew were minister's daughters and they supposedly are raised with proper morals and proper virtue! I know FIRST HAND!


So for all of you Andyhaters out there,




Can I get an Amen out there?

so..Andy, if I understand your statement correctly, you are saying that men in fact, are mindless sex machines, that once put into action have absolutly no control over their bodies or their minds and thus are free of any responsibility or culpability...

that because of the overwhelming force of uncontrolable hormones that go raging through a male during coitus it is, in fact, the MAN who is the victim, when he is forced to stop and then punished because, as you pointed out..he is helpless to control himself in the midst of mindless passion...

...wow..and you guys are the ones who control the world??

well, that does explain a lot, doesnt it...?

Well now don't we suffer from victim complex badly! You are twisting my words around to lend credence to some underlying belief we are more than animals. I take it you did not look up blue balls? Not being a man you would not understand what it is like. Imagine a slow onset of pain similar to receiving a boot right to the crotch like no other thanks to not being able to finish a job the prostate is loaded to finish. A good analogy is when you fire a gun but the bullet does not leave the barrel. Where does the pressure go?

Now let us put this into perspective since you clearly are on the attack, if a woman takes a man to bed, engages him in sexual activity to the point of coitus commencing and suddenly changes her mind she is a head case and a waste of time. Women like this will victimize men unjustly and I see an attempt here to paint me into a corner by words. Not happening.

Women need to learn to fight and not make excuses and be victimized. Life sucks in an equal world now doesn't it? Any woman who wants to be treated with respect needs to act like it. Acting like a sexual Vixen and baiting males is poor form! That is the #1 reason women get raped. They assume they are special for some reason and there fore expect men to respect them. Sorry but man kind is still governed by genetic pre programming and also social programming.

Frankly I was a teenager once and knew girls that were TOTAL whores. They hung out with the bad crowd. they were at all the parties. They were the social butterflies. They were so tough and so bad. then they came across the real wolves and many of them got eaten!

Again mixed signals, acting provocatively, and not being able to defend yourself is just asking for it! Real World alert here! Might makes right no matter what the rules say! The stronger person wins. So does the smarter one who knows how to apply themselves.

Now again there is no justification for a man to actively victimize a woman ie. tear their cloths off and have a 4 some. (Dark joke, get it?) Likewise there is no justification for a woman getting into a bed with a man with little or no cloths on and her expecting the guy to behave himself. Sex is also very instinctual and like I said, if you dangle meat in front of a hungry dog do not expect it to not bite at it! Adrenalin is not the only hormone that will make a man go crazy. Which hormones do you think begin to get flowing when sexual activity commences? And which switch is a guy supposed to flip to shut off his penis?

So now what color will you paint me? I sure am not no robot! Silver is out of the question. I know my daddy so bastard is not another color that would look good on me. Punk? Eh, Just a little I guess!

Rape is thrown around by women WAY too much these days. Welcome to the real world. It is not a nice place. The rules are hypocritical. people are messed up. And those preaching morals are without morals themselves!

Hallelujah!

OH! BTW: Little example of what would happen if women ruled the world...

Queen Victoria, how about her rule of England and what they did abroad to further their empire under her reign? Also women were not afraid to show boobies in public until she reigned. hell, under her reign women had to completely cover themselves almost as much as Islam would have them do. At least they could show their faces and hands!

Margaret Thatcher, Prime Minister of England. She stomped on Argentina hard when they found out there was oil in the Falkland Islands after Argentina was supposed to get their land back. Wasn't her nickname "Iron Britches?"

Marie Antoinette, her flippant remark cost her the heads of both her and her husband the king! Those peasants were really revolting now, weren't they?

China had a legendary Queen of theirs who was a known man hater and killed men in brutal competitions in the vein of Roman gladiator games until she was conquered. A sort of famous tourist attraction in China is a five story tall penis sitting on the top of a hill to remind her of her deal she made when she surrendered. The General who beat her had it placed where she could see it from her palace to remind her to behave.

Cathryn the Great of Russia was no saint. Her screwing horses was propaganda against her that became urban legend. Although a competent leader she was a slut behind the scenes. She like Elvis Presley was found dead sitting on the toilet. Under her reign though she also used brutality to control the population. She would send troops in at the slightest provocation.

I am also sure I could find more historical examples of Women ruling things that were not as great as people think they were.

Being male or female does not make a competent leader.

It is a lot more than just gender that makes anybody who and what they are!

talking doesnt need anyones permission, they can just decide not to talk back,,,

Andy..I think you need to masturbate more often....

I don't give a hang what the law is in Germany that is crazy to think that a 17 year old should be sexually active with a 57 year old man who is old enough to be her Grandfather. The old pervert got exactly what he would have gotten from me if it were my Daughter except I would have not left him alive to cry about it or be found.

Andy your idea about consent is crazy too. And that clap trap about blue balls is nonesense because the "pressure' is not painful unless of course the man has an injury or disease because the pressure is released and reabsorbed by the body with little or no discomfort but emotional disappointmentsometimes in a manner of seconds, as any HONEST man will admit.

But whatever load you think you can sell go for it. Pretty much guarantees that no female with a brain that reads it will ever think she would have a consenting relationship with you. Or that you are any good in bed if your view of women is so negative from being shut down so many times. lol

Pmarco, that is the saddest thing I ever seen in response!

Pacificstar you sure don't really have a clue what makes people happy. Honestly after all of the crap I have seen going on in this world it is attitudes like this that really screw and convolute more than they need to be. If her legal right of consent was at 17 and she chose to do her granddad who are you to A) Judge her or him for that matter and B) Question their rights?

Being women you have no idea what Blue balls is like or is. From the Fem Marxist point of view anything we MEN complain about will just go in one ear and out the other. Like I said it is like getting kicked in the balls LITERALLY! the least a woman can do is offer a hand job so that she can relieve the pressure so the guy does not have to experience the pain of suddenly having a loaded gun do a half discharge.

Also as far as a woman having a consenting relationship with me, tell me 'no' before getting naked and jumping into bed with me! None of my past GFs ever complained about me forcing sex on them. My complaint was they never initiated sex more often with me! I ALWAYS had to take the initiative. When they were not in the mood or needed their space all they had to do was ask me and it was granted to them without question. So don't likewise try to paint me into a box! Any woman getting into a relationship that is supposed to be more than friends better be ready for a horney animal to be part of her life. If she expects me to be some sexless, dickless Ken doll she should just go find a Eunich to be with becasue I am not going to be made to feel guilty about my sexuality any more. If some 18 year old hottie wants me to show her the ropes in bed who am I to say no? I would have to be A) either a homosexual or some Androgyny freak to say no, B) scared because of people like you judging me (and trust me I am not. I fully admit to being a PIG! OINK OINK OINK!) or C)Some religious crackpot but usually they are the ones actively looking for love younger than 18 and I am not religious!

And IF I was involved with an 18 year old and dad wanted to play on me like that he would find out two things about me. One is I am not going to be intimidated by ANYONE and two is when the trigger is pulled I am 10 of the last people anyone wants to provoke. My 19 year old exGF in the past (she is 29 now), I WANTED to address her family but they would not address me. It was just the whispering campaign from behind and it was all lies about me. EVERYTHING they said about me was the exact opposite of what I was telling her to do. They said I just wanted to keep her bare foot and pregnant. I was insisting she continue her education when she was questioning following through with it or not and I wanted to get dug financially in before having children.

So to the both of you, don't look down your noses at me becasue the world operates by rules other than your own. There will be a lot of things you don't like but inflicting that on others is wrong! I can also see why both of you seem to have trouble staying in relationships. Both of you secretly despise the Man Animal!

There are always battery powered toys if you can't handle the real thing! Sorry if I seem to be coming off harsh and opinionated but that is the way of the world and also the reality of it.

Andy..you have a lot of hatred towards women..your mysoginy just oozes out of your pores (in this thread and many others), so before you go pointing fingers and making armchair psychologist remarks, Id look closely at your own values and how they are impeeding you from having a close, intimate and loving relationship with a woman...

you make many assumptions (all based on your own prejudices) about me and other women who hold men accountable for their misbehavior and do not accept the "its nature, I have no control" argument.

I dont hate men at all, on the contrary, Ive been lucky enough to have had (and have now), relationships with enlightened, educated, men that have had the courage to go beyond the limits of that male-stereotype that you so closely cling to...

a man of quality is not threatend by a womans equality.

And you evidently get the idea that I am a Draconian, not a woman hater. I hate men AND women who want to have their cake and eat mine too! I know the difference between a friend and a girl friend. If I was a woman hater I would not still be friends with my ex GF and her new Boyfriend. Actually I am a lot more open minded than you would imagine. In all reality I have many female friends who I respect a lot. We may not agree on a lot but they see past what little others see in me like yourself. Good for you, you found a guy (cough, either imaginary or a total wimp) who puts up with your world views. LOVELY. If I ever have daughters I will not teach them the Hypocrisy and lies others teach their children. I will likewise not be the bastard to rob them of their childhood like my father did to me. HE was a woman hater. You mistake trust issues for hate. I am very cautious with my trust of others. Here in LA I have been stabbed in the back by women trying to get to friends of mine and likewise friends of mine trying to get to women I knew. Love and sex is a fuqued up game and the rules are biased and unfair. Likewise what makes you happy could very well boar me to tears.

Also do not mistake my views about rape with my views of criminal behavior. Rape is criminal behavior. So is false accusations! Consent cannot be changed midstream of a race (OR SEX FOR THAT MATTER!). That is the same as shaking hands with the devil and deciding to take it back. Taking a man into your bed and accusing him of raping you after the fact is BS! If he needs to sleep in your house and you are not having sex with him he can sleep on the couch! THAT IS THE ONLY HONORABLE THING A GUY CAN DO! Please don't feed me that romantic BS. If you are a self respecting woman a man has no place in your bed unless you are involved with him sexually! NO MORE NEEDS BE SAID ON THAT SCORE!!!

Also any REAL man will test the living hell out of a fence. But then again let me venture to say that you favor submissive men over dominate male arch types as well? You seek the Intellectuals in a crowd. Meek in demeanor? Sweetheart, I run with wolves and dragons. If you are not quick, smart, and strong you are dead and eaten! I don't mind a dominating woman in my life per say as long as we clearly know who had position at what time and that all major decisions are made by a committee of two. There also has to be reciprocation between us. I LOVE women who can speak their minds and not come off as totally over opinionated beyatches. I actually have had female bosses in the past I gelled very well with as a worker becasue they were competent leaders. But likewise I have come across a lot of self interest among women.

And that is where the real problems lie. I have put others before myself far too long and now I got very clearly defined lines I operate on. One of them is where women stand in my life. Unless she is contributing directly to my well being she is not a real GF. I have absolutely no reservations about having to contribute to her happiness, fulfillment, and well being as well. There is a lot to living together and money plays havoc on relationships and so does sex. What do about 25% of men who cheat cite as their reason? Their wives cut them off sexually! I am supposed to commit my life to a woman who will do that to me? UM! NOT GOING TO HAPPEN TO ME! If I have to do without sex in a relationship I would rather be alone! Women are taught to use their sexuality as a weapon by their mothers to "get that rich husband."

Another thing I really despise with us having to live as equals is when Women STILL expect men to support them. Now let us get this straight, any woman who tries to feed me that crap about a woman has special needs over a man and "I have to stay at home for the children" is feeding us all a line of crap! My mom had a job more often than my father. She pulled most of the weight of my house and I tried to live by her model, NOT my father's. I want a REAL woman who is not going to crack a whip on my back. She must stand by my side and face off life with me as a partner. All she needs to do is pull her weight because I am pulling like hell to get ahead myself. The last thing I need is a dead albatross hanging from my neck thank you!

Now for that whole Man of Quality thing, the last time I heard that remark also was tied in to the size of a man's wallet. Please don't try to feed me that whole, "My problem is that I don't like women" pseudo Freud crap (Jung RULES! FREUD DROOLS!). If I didn't like women I would be here looking for GUYS! Unfortunately for your argument I am hopelessly heterosexual! THANK YOU VERY MUCH MOMMA BABY!

A Man of Quality isn't threatened by anything. You are no threat to me although through your statement you are assuming I am threatened somehow by you in concept. You are mistaking respect issues with me. I respect strong women. I disrespect women who are weak and try to come off as strong. I disrespect women who get knocked down and stay down. I give everyone BASIC respect until they earn my disrespect. Life isn't easy being Draconian! But it sure is better than being a door mat for anyone!

So for your next observation, Sweetie...

I still think you need to masturbate more often.

I never said it required permission. I said it wasn't a right.

sure he does, its called freedom of speech, a pretty well documented right,,actually

..all i can say is there is a right way and a wrong way to go about achieving one's goals,beings that both parties are considered to be consentual adults whether one agrees with their

decision..nonetheless it is "their decision to make whether it be right or wrong in our eyes is not for us to judge..i can understand a father's love for his child,they will always be our children,but you see in this case he let his anger over rule his love,

..not only will his actions bring publicity to his daughter's situation but now he will spend alot of time away from his daughter because of what he's done..not really all that logical if i were asked..seems more selfish than anything else,not well thought out nor logical..his actions only brought about a worse end result

..but on a foot note/ if the daughter was seeking an older male was she looking for a father figure and if so maybe it was because her father mishandled more than just this sitation in his daughter's upbringing,whose to say sheer speculation of course ...

he definitely handled it wrong, as far as the law is concerned

but what seems logical to one may not be to another, and perhaps he might have weighed his options and their consequences and found it to be worth 'saving' his daughter regardless of the laws protections of this man or how she might initially feel about it

who knows the details behind the relationship, but as a parent who has been through a similar idea, with a child who is VERY well loved but not yet emotionally mature, I know how easily children can be manipulated EVEN when their parents have given them all the love under the sun,, and some 18 year olds are still very emotionally immature regardless of what label the law gives them


hopefully, this action was 'worth it' for this parent and his daughter will see what REAL love for someone is(sacrifice) enough to seek out partners willing to do the same,,,