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and yes, it was indeed about slavery,,, now way around that from the south carolina declaration of secession The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: "No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due." This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made. The greater number of the contracting parties held slaves, and they had previously evinced their estimate of the value of such a stipulation by making it a condition in the Ordinance for the government of the territory ceded by Virginia, which now composes the States north of the Ohio River. The same article of the Constitution stipulates also for rendition by the several States of fugitives from justice from the other States. The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations Not when war was declared the only reason our extremely predjudiced President Lincoln who did not give a crap what the slaves endured made it about slavery in yheend was because the North was about to lose the war........the people that wanted slavery ended had enough funds to finance the war.....for Lincoln it was about putting the South in their place because they dared rise up againt him and the United Staes and dared to succeed....... realizing lincoln didnt give a crap about slaves, the MAJOR issue of contention was between SLAVE HOLDING and NON SLAVEHOLDING states, making it difficult to seperate the issue of slavery from the civil war and when has our government EVER NOT retaliated against its 'enemies' when attacked,,,,it was war as usual, it happened because it could, but it eminated from the extremely fragile and tense policy differences regarding SLAVERY between the slave and non slave holding states Not all of the states that succeeded were slave holding states...BTW...and Lincoln could have cared less whether the slaves were freed or not....all he cared about was the financing to carry out the war and become victorious.....if he could have done without the financing and freeing the slaves or ending slave trade he would have........... |
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Edited by
Seakolony
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Tue 11/23/10 05:54 PM
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Maryland and Delaware were non slave holding states and they succeeded and part of the succession...BTW
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Edited by
Redykeulous
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Tue 11/23/10 06:29 PM
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We did what we had to do. We won, it's over. Is it really over?? Has it ever really been over?? When Yankees come into the south r they welcomed with open arms and visa versa?......And no it wasn't about slavery....because the South definitely doesn't give a rats as s about the slavery thing......really raping and murdering women and children is what the North had to do? Why don't you retry your answer on that one....... The Civil war was over in a short time, how long were plantation owners raping, murdering, and maiming the slaves and separating family members, even children, just to turn a dollar? The south has NO pity for them today but you say they hold a grudge for the relatively few white folks who were abused during a state of war. Proof positive that the idea of 'white privilege' is alive and well. |
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We did what we had to do. We won, it's over. Is it really over?? Has it ever really been over?? When Yankees come into the south r they welcomed with open arms and visa versa?......And no it wasn't about slavery....because the South definitely doesn't give a rats as s about the slavery thing......really raping and murdering women and children is what the North had to do? Why don't you retry your answer on that one....... The Civil war was over in a short time, how long were plantation owners raping, murdering, and maiming the slaves and separating family members, even children, just to turn a dollar? The south has NO pity for them today but you say they hold a grudge for the relatively few white folks who were abused during a state of war. Proof positive that the idea of 'white privilege' is alive and well. Actually I was going on how I was treated when moving from the South to the North and visa versa.....it is a statement of what is never said I agreed with slavery....and what makes you think I am white? And by the way the raping and pilaging of the southern people went on for years after the war was over and two wrongs don't make a right.....it was point not a belief know the difference please |
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that was then, that was war,and that was the NORTH vs the SOUTH
this is now and this is the USA |
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Maryland and Delaware were non slave holding states and they succeeded and part of the succession...BTW do you have dates on when these two states seceded? History has always taught me there were eleven (slaveholding) states south carolina, mississippi, florida, alabama, georgia, louisiana, texas, virginia, arkansas, north carolina, tennessee |
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Run your justice system that way, and see what happens. Tell ya what, next guy that beats and robs you, we'll apply that logic to. a strictly merciful justice system only works within a strictly merciful social system in lieu of that, justice tempered with mercy is the most fruitful approach You really say a lot of nothing. I really want you to prove your point. As it stands, I see nothing. |
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We did what we had to do. We won, it's over. Is it really over?? Has it ever really been over?? When Yankees come into the south r they welcomed with open arms and visa versa?......And no it wasn't about slavery....because the South definitely doesn't give a rats as s about the slavery thing......really raping and murdering women and children is what the North had to do? Why don't you retry your answer on that one....... Really? I'd love to know what text book you've been reading from. If you don't think it was about slavery, I severely question your education. Um yeah....they cared about slavery, being that that was what their economy was predicated on. We don't commonly refer to ourselves as Yankees, that's a baseball team. We welcome all people, because we did this little thing in the last 150+ years called move on. |
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We did what we had to do. We won, it's over. Is it really over?? Has it ever really been over?? When Yankees come into the south r they welcomed with open arms and visa versa?......And no it wasn't about slavery....because the South definitely doesn't give a rats as s about the slavery thing......really raping and murdering women and children is what the North had to do? Why don't you retry your answer on that one....... considering the times, and being honest about war raping women and children was prevalent in the south already, and most likely the north was not immune as far as history is concerned, confederates declared the war by firing on federal territory,, cant cry later because they lost,,, That wasn't the point...the point was that what they did was not necessary......he said it was necessary.....and the the Yankees and the Rebels still have conflict with each other today....it wasn't about who won or lost it wasn't about who started it or lost it it was pure unadluterated honesty......that the South still proclaims damned Yankees....and the North still isn't so hot about those damned Rebels......point being it never really ended and went forth through prejudices........politely but out MsHarmony.....love ya though and your opinion...this ones between me and that boy......and if Lincoln hadn't received the financing he did when he did things just might be alittle different......and no I do not wish slavery upon anyone in any shape or form....not my meaning and not to be misconstrued LOL that boy. Listen, and listen good; it doesn't matter about financing, or anything else, we'd have still kicked your ***. And as a great times like 5 grandson of a man who helped burn down Atlanta in the war, I say too bad. Nobody up here talks like this. We don't use the word rebel, we're just sick and tired of all your bullshot. Best believe. |
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justice and mercy are not mutually exclusive! Sometimes they are. |
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Run your justice system that way, and see what happens. Tell ya what, next guy that beats and robs you, we'll apply that logic to. a strictly merciful justice system only works within a strictly merciful social system in lieu of that, justice tempered with mercy is the most fruitful approach You really say a lot of nothing. I really want you to prove your point. As it stands, I see nothing. wasnt aware there was a need to 'prove' opinions however, I can use as an example, some middle east laws which are based upon strict justice (eye for an eye, hand for a stealing,,etc,,,), that type of absolute power to equivocate offense with punishment is usually given to an elite few who keep the masses in fear of what they will deem as STRICT justice on the flip side, mercy without justice would be a get out of jail free card for everyone to carry on however they wish and would also keep the masses in fear of EACH OTHER therefore, I come to the conclusion, that the best answer is a BALANCE of justice AND mercy |
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Not to condone what they do in the Middle East, but I'm sure they have a lot less crime than we do. Our country can be too lax in some areas. I'll tell you this, you walk a fine line between mercy and justice. Some don't deserve the former, but everyone deserves the latter.
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that was then, that was war,and that was the NORTH vs the SOUTH this is now and this is the USA My point was that it continues through prejudices against one another...... |
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of course, as long is there is humankind there will be prejudice and there will be those who fight against it,,
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Maryland and Delaware were non slave holding states and they succeeded and part of the succession...BTW do you have dates on when these two states seceded? History has always taught me there were eleven (slaveholding) states south carolina, mississippi, florida, alabama, georgia, louisiana, texas, virginia, arkansas, north carolina, tennessee Sorry I meant to write fought ob behalf of.......wasn't feeling good they never did officially......but voted to have slavery abolished in their states officially they were states divided and sympothized in an official capacity with both the North and South......I hope my fever breaks soon....but were non slave holding states.....that fought both sides and never declared either way officially |
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We did what we had to do. We won, it's over. Is it really over?? Has it ever really been over?? When Yankees come into the south r they welcomed with open arms and visa versa?......And no it wasn't about slavery....because the South definitely doesn't give a rats as s about the slavery thing......really raping and murdering women and children is what the North had to do? Why don't you retry your answer on that one....... Really? I'd love to know what text book you've been reading from. If you don't think it was about slavery, I severely question your education. Um yeah....they cared about slavery, being that that was what their economy was predicated on. We don't commonly refer to ourselves as Yankees, that's a baseball team. We welcome all people, because we did this little thing in the last 150+ years called move on. It was about the federal government and and states rights not in particular about slavery.....there was more to it than that which why I put it wasn't about slavery.....slavery was an issue but everyone makes it to be about slavery in particular and miss all the reasons the states succeeded....just because historians write it that way doesn't make it completely the gods honest true ....... did they really because I was going on how people treated me moving from one place to another and having to break in to different areas....... |
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We did what we had to do. We won, it's over. Is it really over?? Has it ever really been over?? When Yankees come into the south r they welcomed with open arms and visa versa?......And no it wasn't about slavery....because the South definitely doesn't give a rats as s about the slavery thing......really raping and murdering women and children is what the North had to do? Why don't you retry your answer on that one....... Really? I'd love to know what text book you've been reading from. If you don't think it was about slavery, I severely question your education. Um yeah....they cared about slavery, being that that was what their economy was predicated on. We don't commonly refer to ourselves as Yankees, that's a baseball team. We welcome all people, because we did this little thing in the last 150+ years called move on. It was about the federal government and and states rights not in particular about slavery.....there was more to it than that which why I put it wasn't about slavery.....slavery was an issue but everyone makes it to be about slavery in particular and miss all the reasons the states succeeded....just because historians write it that way doesn't make it completely the gods honest true ....... did they really because I was going on how people treated me moving from one place to another and having to break in to different areas....... Blah, blah, blah, that's just the way the South wants to color it. What issue brought about the entire states rights discussion in the first place? Oh yeah, slavery. If it wasn't for the two sides vehemently disagreeing on this issue, the war would never have taken place. I really wonder if you've ever even lived up here, and where. Because honestly, not too many really even give a shite about the war. They probably just considered you uneducated. |
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We did what we had to do. We won, it's over. Is it really over?? Has it ever really been over?? When Yankees come into the south r they welcomed with open arms and visa versa?......And no it wasn't about slavery....because the South definitely doesn't give a rats as s about the slavery thing......really raping and murdering women and children is what the North had to do? Why don't you retry your answer on that one....... Really? I'd love to know what text book you've been reading from. If you don't think it was about slavery, I severely question your education. Um yeah....they cared about slavery, being that that was what their economy was predicated on. We don't commonly refer to ourselves as Yankees, that's a baseball team. We welcome all people, because we did this little thing in the last 150+ years called move on. It was about the federal government and and states rights not in particular about slavery.....there was more to it than that which why I put it wasn't about slavery.....slavery was an issue but everyone makes it to be about slavery in particular and miss all the reasons the states succeeded....just because historians write it that way doesn't make it completely the gods honest true ....... did they really because I was going on how people treated me moving from one place to another and having to break in to different areas....... Blah, blah, blah, that's just the way the South wants to color it. What issue brought about the entire states rights discussion in the first place? Oh yeah, slavery. If it wasn't for the two sides vehemently disagreeing on this issue, the war would never have taken place. I really wonder if you've ever even lived up here, and where. Because honestly, not too many really even give a shite about the war. They probably just considered you uneducated. No they didn't once they got to know me........doesn't matter and yes it was over states rights and seperation of federal and state government.......and no am not uneducated......it was my accent when I first moved there that made it difficult but hey this was the 70's..........plus the fact that I was of mixed race didn't help either.....and women were treated just as terribly as salves for even more years to follow.....and in many cases still aren't protected properly or even helped in many situations......actually they aren't taken seriously or they are given a piece of paper and when violence against them takes place by the time any help gets there they are dead..........and predjudice may not exist where u are but does still exist in other places......and in many forms....so very glad you have never had to experience it |
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