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oh dear........errr....thankyou for the thought....a little err unbalanced on the visual scale would you not say?
images like that one would have me almost saintly! 
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Let us get some "sin" started: 
Excessive makeup aside, she is divine! |
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Does someone not fantasize of someone else while masturbating? Maybe not someone in particular, but just generally someone? Yes, weather it's during the process of masturbation and or before which got the masturbated started. Well with this established i'll show why it's a sin to masturbate. Matthew 5:28 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Well, that's your interpretation. I don't see it that way at all. When a person fantasizes this is precisely what they are doing, "having a fantasy". Thus they aren't 'lusting' after anyone in particular. The person they are imagining to be with is 'imagined', even if if they are HOPING that the person they are imagining might be like an actual person, chances are they could be dead wrong anyway. 
So I don't see the verse you quoted as being applicable to masturbation at all. If taken literally it's speaking about lusting after a women that you're actually LOOKING at. That's what it says. It doesn't say anything about imagining things when no one is around. Also, the attraction doesn't need to be based on lust, it could indeed be based on a sincere and honest desire to love someone, then it's not lust at all. This is why Paper Popes suck. They try to push their perverted intentions onto everyone else. 
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Let us get some "sin" started:
Excessive makeup aside, she is divine! Well, that's a perfect example of what I'm saying. If a person used this image as psychic fodder to imagine a make-believe woman, the women they imagine would most likely not be anything at all like the women who actually posed for this picture. Thus to suggest that someone is 'lusting' after this particular woman would be false. If you actually got to know this woman you might not have any desire to be with her intimately at all. I mean, who knows? It's basically impossible to lust after a woman you know knowing about. |
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Does someone not fantasize of someone else while masturbating? Maybe not someone in particular, but just generally someone? Yes, weather it's during the process of masturbation and or before which got the masturbated started. Well with this established i'll show why it's a sin to masturbate. Matthew 5:28 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Well, that's your interpretation. I don't see it that way at all. When a person fantasizes this is precisely what they are doing, "having a fantasy". Thus they aren't 'lusting' after anyone in particular. The person they are imagining to be with is 'imagined', even if if they are HOPING that the person they are imagining might be like an actual person, chances are they could be dead wrong anyway.
So I don't see the verse you quoted as being applicable to masturbation at all. If taken literally it's speaking about lusting after a women that you're actually LOOKING at. That's what it says. It doesn't say anything about imagining things when no one is around. Also, the attraction doesn't need to be based on lust, it could indeed be based on a sincere and honest desire to love someone, then it's not lust at all. This is why Paper Popes suck. They try to push their perverted intentions onto everyone else.
If you notice I said "maybe not after someone in particular". But nevertheless it is fantasizing for "someone". Again, maybe not someone in particular. But you can not tell me while someone is sitting their beat'n it, they are thinking of just that. That they are sitting their beat'n themselves. No, they are "fantasizing" after someone, or "lusting" after someone. And again maybe not someone in general, but still nevertheless SOMEONE. |
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Let us get some "sin" started:
Excessive makeup aside, she is divine! Well, that's a perfect example of what I'm saying. If a person used this image as psychic fodder to imagine a make-believe woman, the women they imagine would most likely not be anything at all like the women who actually posed for this picture. Thus to suggest that someone is 'lusting' after this particular woman would be false. If you actually got to know this woman you might not have any desire to be with her intimately at all. I mean, who knows? It's basically impossible to lust after a woman you know knowing about. Again, it doesn't have to be lusting after a particular person in exacts. Just lusting for a woman in the general note, which would be instigated from things such as this and or porn. |
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Edited by
CowboyGH
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Sun 11/07/10 06:14 PM
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Does someone not fantasize of someone else while masturbating? Maybe not someone in particular, but just generally someone? Yes, weather it's during the process of masturbation and or before which got the masturbated started. Well with this established i'll show why it's a sin to masturbate. Matthew 5:28 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Well, that's your interpretation. I don't see it that way at all. When a person fantasizes this is precisely what they are doing, "having a fantasy". Thus they aren't 'lusting' after anyone in particular. The person they are imagining to be with is 'imagined', even if if they are HOPING that the person they are imagining might be like an actual person, chances are they could be dead wrong anyway.
So I don't see the verse you quoted as being applicable to masturbation at all. If taken literally it's speaking about lusting after a women that you're actually LOOKING at. That's what it says. It doesn't say anything about imagining things when no one is around. Also, the attraction doesn't need to be based on lust, it could indeed be based on a sincere and honest desire to love someone, then it's not lust at all. This is why Paper Popes suck. They try to push their perverted intentions onto everyone else.
If you notice I said "maybe not after someone in particular". But nevertheless it is fantasizing for "someone". Again, maybe not someone in particular. But you can not tell me while someone is sitting their beat'n it, they are thinking of just that. That they are sitting their beat'n themselves. No, they are "fantasizing" after someone, or "lusting" after someone. And again maybe not someone in general, but still nevertheless SOMEONE. ================================= Also, the attraction doesn't need to be based on lust, it could indeed be based on a sincere and honest desire to love someone, then it's not lust at all. This is why Paper Popes suck. They try to push their perverted intentions onto everyone else. whoa ================================== People don't masturbate to something they are emotionally attached to. They masturbate on a physical desire. Because if you loved someone, you would wait till they were ready. And in this case it being a picture, that picture would never be "ready" to make love with you. So no, it has nothing to do with "loving" anything. This is why Paper AnitChrists suck. They try to justify sinning in thier perverted intentions onto everyone else. |
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Does someone not fantasize of someone else while masturbating? Maybe not someone in particular, but just generally someone? Yes, weather it's during the process of masturbation and or before which got the masturbated started. Well with this established i'll show why it's a sin to masturbate. Matthew 5:28 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Well, that's your interpretation. I don't see it that way at all. When a person fantasizes this is precisely what they are doing, "having a fantasy". Thus they aren't 'lusting' after anyone in particular. The person they are imagining to be with is 'imagined', even if if they are HOPING that the person they are imagining might be like an actual person, chances are they could be dead wrong anyway.
So I don't see the verse you quoted as being applicable to masturbation at all. If taken literally it's speaking about lusting after a women that you're actually LOOKING at. That's what it says. It doesn't say anything about imagining things when no one is around. Also, the attraction doesn't need to be based on lust, it could indeed be based on a sincere and honest desire to love someone, then it's not lust at all. This is why Paper Popes suck. They try to push their perverted intentions onto everyone else.
If you notice I said "maybe not after someone in particular". But nevertheless it is fantasizing for "someone". Again, maybe not someone in particular. But you can not tell me while someone is sitting their beat'n it, they are thinking of just that. That they are sitting their beat'n themselves. No, they are "fantasizing" after someone, or "lusting" after someone. And again maybe not someone in general, but still nevertheless SOMEONE. ================================= Also, the attraction doesn't need to be based on lust, it could indeed be based on a sincere and honest desire to love someone, then it's not lust at all. This is why Paper Popes suck. They try to push their perverted intentions onto everyone else. whoa ================================== People don't masturbate to something they are emotionally attached to. They masturbate on a physical desire. Because if you loved someone, you would wait till they were ready. And in this case it being a picture, that picture would never be "ready" to make love with you. So no, it has nothing to do with "loving" anything. This is why Paper AnitChrists suck. They try to justify sinning in thier perverted intentions onto everyone else. That's your perversion not mine. Where did I ever say that you can't be physically attracted to someone you love? I've never held that notion in my entire life. Moreover the original quote that you quoted was speaking to the issue of adultery, therefore it can only applied to either married persons who are lusting after someone other than their spouse, or a single person who is lusting after another person's spouse. It can't even apply to single people who lust after single people at all because that wouldn't constitute adultery. So it doesn't even apply anyway. Especially is a spouse is masturbating whilst thinking of being with their own spouse. Then it wouldn't apply at all. The fact that these texts can be perverted so easily in the way that you love to pervert them is one thing that makes this religious doctrine so disgusting. No so much the doctrine itself but the way that hateful people twist it in an effort to pass judgments on others. |
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This is why Paper AnitChrists suck. They try to justify sinning in thier perverted intentions onto everyone else. By the way, who are you referring to as an "anti-Christ"? Of course I don't believe in any "Christ", but if you're trying to imply that I'm somehow against the teachings of Jesus then you're sorely mistaken. Just take the verse you quoted over to a Buddhist and they'll explain to you precisely what it actually MEANS. Clearly you don't "get it" . |
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"Let me go to hell the way I WANT to"
.....ooops, i don`t believe in hell,,,oh well 
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Does someone not fantasize of someone else while masturbating? Maybe not someone in particular, but just generally someone? Yes, weather it's during the process of masturbation and or before which got the masturbated started. Well with this established i'll show why it's a sin to masturbate. Matthew 5:28 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Well, that's your interpretation. I don't see it that way at all. When a person fantasizes this is precisely what they are doing, "having a fantasy". Thus they aren't 'lusting' after anyone in particular. The person they are imagining to be with is 'imagined', even if if they are HOPING that the person they are imagining might be like an actual person, chances are they could be dead wrong anyway.
So I don't see the verse you quoted as being applicable to masturbation at all. If taken literally it's speaking about lusting after a women that you're actually LOOKING at. That's what it says. It doesn't say anything about imagining things when no one is around. Also, the attraction doesn't need to be based on lust, it could indeed be based on a sincere and honest desire to love someone, then it's not lust at all. This is why Paper Popes suck. They try to push their perverted intentions onto everyone else.
If you notice I said "maybe not after someone in particular". But nevertheless it is fantasizing for "someone". Again, maybe not someone in particular. But you can not tell me while someone is sitting their beat'n it, they are thinking of just that. That they are sitting their beat'n themselves. No, they are "fantasizing" after someone, or "lusting" after someone. And again maybe not someone in general, but still nevertheless SOMEONE. ================================= Also, the attraction doesn't need to be based on lust, it could indeed be based on a sincere and honest desire to love someone, then it's not lust at all. This is why Paper Popes suck. They try to push their perverted intentions onto everyone else. whoa ================================== People don't masturbate to something they are emotionally attached to. They masturbate on a physical desire. Because if you loved someone, you would wait till they were ready. And in this case it being a picture, that picture would never be "ready" to make love with you. So no, it has nothing to do with "loving" anything. This is why Paper AnitChrists suck. They try to justify sinning in thier perverted intentions onto everyone else. That's your perversion not mine. Where did I ever say that you can't be physically attracted to someone you love? I've never held that notion in my entire life. Moreover the original quote that you quoted was speaking to the issue of adultery, therefore it can only applied to either married persons who are lusting after someone other than their spouse, or a single person who is lusting after another person's spouse. It can't even apply to single people who lust after single people at all because that wouldn't constitute adultery. So it doesn't even apply anyway. Especially is a spouse is masturbating whilst thinking of being with their own spouse. Then it wouldn't apply at all. The fact that these texts can be perverted so easily in the way that you love to pervert them is one thing that makes this religious doctrine so disgusting. No so much the doctrine itself but the way that hateful people twist it in an effort to pass judgments on others. No, but it would justify as "lust". And lusting alone is a sin in itself. |
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This is why Paper AnitChrists suck. They try to justify sinning in thier perverted intentions onto everyone else. By the way, who are you referring to as an "anti-Christ"? Of course I don't believe in any "Christ", but if you're trying to imply that I'm somehow against the teachings of Jesus then you're sorely mistaken. Just take the verse you quoted over to a Buddhist and they'll explain to you precisely what it actually MEANS. Clearly you don't "get it" . Well if i'm a paper pope as you were infering, then you would be a paper antichrist. |
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Well if i'm a paper pope as you were infering, then you would be a paper antichrist. A Paper Pope is someone who posts verses from the Bible and then proclaims precisely how they should be interpreted and what they mean. In other words, a Paper Pope claims to "Speak for God", for everyone. If a "paper" antiChrist is a person who objects to the behavior of Paper Popes, then I'll gladly accept the title. After all, a "paper" antiChrist would be a false antiChrist, and I have no problem with being a false antiChrist.
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"Let me go to hell the way I WANT to" .....ooops, i don`t believe in hell,,,oh well
You only need to believe in Christianity to get into HEAVEN. 
They dish out the HELL whether you believe or not. 
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Well if i'm a paper pope as you were infering, then you would be a paper antichrist. A Paper Pope is someone who posts verses from the Bible and then proclaims precisely how they should be interpreted and what they mean. In other words, a Paper Pope claims to "Speak for God", for everyone. If a "paper" antiChrist is a person who objects to the behavior of Paper Popes, then I'll gladly accept the title. After all, a "paper" antiChrist would be a false antiChrist, and I have no problem with being a false antiChrist.
Instead of going around calling people names like a little kid, when someone posts a verse and you do not agree with the interpretation talk with the other person like two adults and come to an agreement on what the verse may be saying. When I post verses i'm not saying MY interpretation is the exact way it is ment to be taken, i'm only human and do make mistakes. And again that is when the two people will sit and discuss why they feel it's ment that way in a civilized way so that an understanding my come to a conclusion. |
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I think that if god had not intended us to masturbate then he'd have made our arms much shorter. What do you think of this issue? Will you burn in hell for having sex with someone you love? (yourself). Do any of you do it even though you know HE'S watching? What about all the potential humans you 'spill' to their deaths? |
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Well if i'm a paper pope as you were infering, then you would be a paper antichrist. A Paper Pope is someone who posts verses from the Bible and then proclaims precisely how they should be interpreted and what they mean. But isn't that exactly what you do all the time??? In other words, a Paper Pope claims to "Speak for God", for everyone.
If a "paper" antiChrist is a person who objects to the behavior of Paper Popes, then I'll gladly accept the title. After all, a "paper" antiChrist would be a false antiChrist, and I have no problem with being a false antiChrist.
True logic, I like that one... |
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Does someone not fantasize of someone else while masturbating? Maybe not someone in particular, but just generally someone? Yes, weather it's during the process of masturbation and or before which got the masturbated started. Well with this established i'll show why it's a sin to masturbate. Matthew 5:28 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Well, that's your interpretation. I don't see it that way at all. When a person fantasizes this is precisely what they are doing, "having a fantasy". Thus they aren't 'lusting' after anyone in particular. The person they are imagining to be with is 'imagined', even if if they are HOPING that the person they are imagining might be like an actual person, chances are they could be dead wrong anyway.
So I don't see the verse you quoted as being applicable to masturbation at all. If taken literally it's speaking about lusting after a women that you're actually LOOKING at. That's what it says. It doesn't say anything about imagining things when no one is around. Also, the attraction doesn't need to be based on lust, it could indeed be based on a sincere and honest desire to love someone, then it's not lust at all. This is why Paper Popes suck. They try to push their perverted intentions onto everyone else.
If you notice I said "maybe not after someone in particular". But nevertheless it is fantasizing for "someone". Again, maybe not someone in particular. But you can not tell me while someone is sitting their beat'n it, they are thinking of just that. That they are sitting their beat'n themselves. No, they are "fantasizing" after someone, or "lusting" after someone. And again maybe not someone in general, but still nevertheless SOMEONE. So what if that "someone" is the person's spouse? |
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Edited by
Dodo_David
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Sun 11/07/10 08:37 PM
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Moreover the original quote that you quoted was speaking to the issue of adultery, therefore it can only applied to either married persons who are lusting after someone other than their spouse, or a single person who is lusting after another person's spouse. It can't even apply to single people who lust after single people at all because that wouldn't constitute adultery. So it doesn't even apply anyway. Especially is a spouse is masturbating whilst thinking of being with their own spouse. Then it wouldn't apply at all. As Abracadabra has pointed out (Thank you, Abracadabra.), Jesus said that the men were guilty of adultery if they had lust toward a woman. In order for adultery to take place, at least one party has to be married. If I recall correctly, in ancient Israel it was customary for a man to get married upon reaching adulthood. The Babylonian Talmud (Tractate Sanhedrin, Folio 76b) actually encourages marriage upon reaching adulthood. Thus, it is likely that in Matthew 5:28 Jesus was talking to married men, because they had to be married before they could commit adultery. We need to keep in mind that in Matthew 5:28 Jesus is addressing the issue of adultery only. |
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Does someone not fantasize of someone else while masturbating? Maybe not someone in particular, but just generally someone? Yes, weather it's during the process of masturbation and or before which got the masturbated started. Well with this established i'll show why it's a sin to masturbate. Matthew 5:28 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Well, that's your interpretation. I don't see it that way at all. When a person fantasizes this is precisely what they are doing, "having a fantasy". Thus they aren't 'lusting' after anyone in particular. The person they are imagining to be with is 'imagined', even if if they are HOPING that the person they are imagining might be like an actual person, chances are they could be dead wrong anyway.
So I don't see the verse you quoted as being applicable to masturbation at all. If taken literally it's speaking about lusting after a women that you're actually LOOKING at. That's what it says. It doesn't say anything about imagining things when no one is around. Also, the attraction doesn't need to be based on lust, it could indeed be based on a sincere and honest desire to love someone, then it's not lust at all. This is why Paper Popes suck. They try to push their perverted intentions onto everyone else.
If you notice I said "maybe not after someone in particular". But nevertheless it is fantasizing for "someone". Again, maybe not someone in particular. But you can not tell me while someone is sitting their beat'n it, they are thinking of just that. That they are sitting their beat'n themselves. No, they are "fantasizing" after someone, or "lusting" after someone. And again maybe not someone in general, but still nevertheless SOMEONE. So what if that "someone" is the person's spouse? Would still be lusting. |
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