Previous 1
Topic: Hitler's Christianity - Christianity's Racism
MiddleEarthling's photo
Sun 10/10/10 06:11 PM
Hitler's Christianity - Ties to racists Christians.

"To deny the influence of Christianity on Hitler and its role in World War II, means that you must ignore history and forever bar yourself from understanding the source of German anti-Semitism and how the WWII atrocities occurred.

By using historical evidence of Hitler's and his henchmen's own words, this section aims to show how mixing religion with politics can cause conflicts, not only against religion but against government and its people. This site, in no way, condones Nazism, Neo-Nazism, fascist governments, or anti-Semitism, but instead, warns against them.

by Jim Walker

Link to references:

http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

Part One:

Hitler's religious beliefs and fanaticism

Quotes from Mein Kampf

"People often make the claim that Adolph Hitler adhered to Atheism, Humanism or some ancient Nordic pagan mythology. None of these fanciful and wrong ideas hold. Although one of Hitler's henchmen, Alfred Rosenberg, did undertake a campaign of Nordic mythological propaganda, Hitler and most of his henchmen did not believe in it .

Many American books, television documentaries, and Sunday sermons that preach of Hitler's "evil" have eliminated Hitler's god for their Christian audiences, but one only has to read from his own writings to appreciate that Hitler's God equals the same God of the Christian Bible. Hitler held many hysterical beliefs which not only include, God and Providence but also Fate, Social Darwinism, and ideological politics. He spoke, unashamedly, about God, fanaticism, idealism, dogma, and the power of propaganda. Hitler held strong faith in all his convictions. He justified his fight for the German people and against Jews by using Godly and Biblical reasoning. Indeed, one of his most revealing statements makes this quite clear:"

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." Hitler

Although Hitler did not practice religion in a churchly sense, he certainly believed in the Bible's God. Raised as Catholic he went to a monastery school and, interestingly, walked everyday past a stone arch which was carved the monastery's coat of arms which included a swastika. As a young boy, Hitler's most ardent goal was to become a priest. Much of his philosophy came from the Bible, and more influentially, from the Christian Social movement. (The German Christian Social movement, remarkably, resembles the Christian Right movement in America today.) Many have questioned Hitler's stand on Christianity. Although he fought against certain Catholic priests who opposed him for political reasons, his belief in God and country never left him. Many Christians throughout history have opposed Christian priests for various reasons; this does not necessarily make one against one's own Christian beliefs. Nor did the Vatican's Pope & bishops ever disown him; in fact they blessed him! As evidence to his claimed Christianity, he said:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

"Hitler's anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education.

Christian Austria and Germany in his time took for granted the belief that Jews held an inferior status to Aryan Christians. Jewish hatred did not spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion. In his book, "On the Jews and their Lies," Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War II. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther.

Hitler did not have to parade his belief in God, as so many American Christians do now. Nor did he have to justify his Godly belief against an Atheist movement. He took his beliefs for granted just as most Germans did at that time. His thrust aimed at politics, not religion. But through his political and religious reasoning he established in 1933, a German Reich Christian Church, uniting the Protestant churches to instill faith in a national German Christianity.

Future generations should remember that Adolph Hitler could not have come into power without the support of the Protestant and Catholic churches and the German Christian populace.

The following quotes provides some of Hitler's expressions of his belief in religion, faith, fanaticism, Providence, and even a few of his paraphrasing of the Bible. It by no means represents the totality of Hitler's concerns. To realize the full context of these quotes, I implore the reader to study Mein Kampf.

The purpose of this text intends to dispute the claims made by Christians that Hitler "was an atheist," or "anti-religious," and to reveal the dangers of belief-systems. This text in no way attempts to give endorsement to anti-Semitism."

Continued here: (scroll down to "Quotations from Mein Kampf"

http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm











no photo
Sun 10/10/10 06:28 PM
Still can't form your own opinion, eh?

no photo
Sun 10/10/10 06:33 PM
You are welcome to believe a liar and a hypocrite, being sooo much like yourself, I can understand why you would...


http://www.answers.org/apologetics/Hitquote.html

MiddleEarthling's photo
Sun 10/10/10 06:38 PM
Edited by MiddleEarthling on Sun 10/10/10 06:38 PM
Volume 1, Chapter 1, In the House of My Parents

"Their sword will become our plow, and from the tears of war the daily bread of future generations will grow.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Note: "Their sword will become our plow" appears to paraphrase Micah 4:3 about beating swords into ploughshares, but his tears of war more resembles Joel 3:9-10 "Beat your plowshares into swords."

"I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)


"I thank Heaven that a portion of the memories of those days still remains with me. Woods and meadows were the battlefields on which the 'conflicts' which exist everywhere in life were decided."

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)


"Only a handful of Germans in the Reich had the slightest conception of the eternal and merciless struggle for the German language, German schools, and a German way of life. Only today, when the same deplorable misery is forced on many millions of Germans from the Reich, who under foreign rule dream of their common fatherland and strive, amid their longing, at least to preserve their holy right to their mother tongue, do wider circles understand what it means to be forced to fight for one's nationality.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)




MiddleEarthling's photo
Sun 10/10/10 06:59 PM
Edited by MiddleEarthling on Sun 10/10/10 06:59 PM
Volume 1, Chapter 2, Years of Study and Suffering in Vienna

"Fate must bring retribution, unless men conciliate Fate while there is still time. How thankful I am today to the Providence which sent me to that school!

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

"Thus my faith grew that my beautiful dream for the future would become reality after all, even though this might require long years.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

The more the linguistic Babel corroded and disorganized parliament, the closer drew the inevitable hour of the disintegration of this Babylonian Empire, and with it the hour of freedom for my German-Austrian people.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

I was not in agreement with the sharp anti-Semitic tone, but from time to time I read arguments which gave me some food for thought.

At all events, these occasions slowly made me acquainted with the man and the movement, which in those days guided Vienna's destinies: Dr. Karl Lueger and the Christian Social Party.


-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

(Note: Karl Lueger (1844-1910) belonged as a member of the anti-Semitic Christian Social Party, he became mayor of Vienna and kept his post until his death.)

The man and the movement seemed 'reactionary' in my eyes. My common sense of justice, however, forced me to change this judgment in proportion as I had occasion to become acquainted with the man and his work; and slowly my fair judgment turned to unconcealed admiration. Today, more than ever, I regard this man as the greatest German mayor of all times.

-Adolf Hitler speaking about Dr. Karl Lueger of the Christian Social Party (Mein Kampf)


How many of my basic principles were upset by this change in my attitude toward the Christian Social movement!

My views with regard to anti-Semitism thus succumbed to the passage of time, and this was my greatest transformation of all.


-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

WOW

boredinaz06's photo
Sun 10/10/10 07:23 PM
yawn

CowboyGH's photo
Sun 10/10/10 07:56 PM
Adolf claiming to be a Christian is a huge contradiction all in it's own. That would be like a carot running around claiming to be a pea or green bean. And besides that what someone calls themself and what oneself is can be two totally different things. Nothing Adolf did was in accordance with the teachings of Jesus thus is where i'm getting my grounds of my decision from. Christians are to turn the other cheek, Adolf in NO way did that nor any other teachings of Christianity. Now i'm not judging him or anything of such, just stating it's an oxymoron and or contradiction for Adolf to claim to be doing God's work.

CowboyGH's photo
Sun 10/10/10 07:59 PM

Adolf claiming to be a Christian is a huge contradiction all in it's own. That would be like a carot running around claiming to be a pea or green bean. And besides that what someone calls themself and what oneself is can be two totally different things. Nothing Adolf did was in accordance with the teachings of Jesus thus is where i'm getting my grounds of my decision from. Christians are to turn the other cheek, Adolf in NO way did that nor any other teachings of Christianity. Now i'm not judging him or anything of such, just stating it's an oxymoron and or contradiction for Adolf to claim to be doing God's work.


===========================================
Adolf - Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.
============================================

Hence where the contradiction is right in what he said. "by defending myself against the Jew"

How can one defend themself against someone/something if we are to turn the other cheek? Yes we can defend ourselves through words such as me, thomas, and a few others do on this forum, defending Christianity. But in no way are we to physically defend ourselves as Adolf is claiming to have done.

AdventureBegins's photo
Sun 10/10/10 08:01 PM
What does it matter.

Hitler won't be in heaven when I get there.

He went to hell.

I can prove it.

CowboyGH's photo
Sun 10/10/10 08:04 PM

What does it matter.

Hitler won't be in heaven when I get there.

He went to hell.

I can prove it.


You can not prove it. And who are you to judge someone? I believe Jesus told us specifically "Judge not least ye be judged"

AdventureBegins's photo
Sun 10/10/10 08:11 PM


What does it matter.

Hitler won't be in heaven when I get there.

He went to hell.

I can prove it.


You can not prove it. And who are you to judge someone? I believe Jesus told us specifically "Judge not least ye be judged"

By your own book...

He committed suicide.

a deadly sin.

Hell.

CowboyGH's photo
Sun 10/10/10 08:14 PM
Edited by CowboyGH on Sun 10/10/10 08:14 PM



What does it matter.

Hitler won't be in heaven when I get there.

He went to hell.

I can prove it.


You can not prove it. And who are you to judge someone? I believe Jesus told us specifically "Judge not least ye be judged"

By your own book...

He committed suicide.

a deadly sin.

Hell.


For one, no one after Jesus having been on earth is in heaven nor has parished. For two,The only sin that absolutely writes your name out of the book of life is denying the lord thy God.

That bout covers it. No one knows if anyone is going to heaven or ceasing to exist till the second coming of Christ at the judgement day.

AdventureBegins's photo
Sun 10/10/10 08:16 PM
When one removes themselves from life by their own hand...

They have lost faith in god.

and turned their back (denied) god.

Hell.

CowboyGH's photo
Sun 10/10/10 08:21 PM

When one removes themselves from life by their own hand...

They have lost faith in god.

and turned their back (denied) god.

Hell.


Now i'll say committing suicide is no way to get browny points with the father. But it doesn't mean you have lost faith in him. Therefore it is not denying the lord thy God. And therefore it is not a straight ticket to non existence. And on top of that, NO ONE will ever go to hell. In the end of times hell is destroyed along with Satan and his fellow fall'n angels. People will either receive the gift of heaven and eternal life or cease to exist.

AdventureBegins's photo
Sun 10/10/10 08:28 PM
Tomatos, tomaaatos.

you say this I say that.

Both could be right.

Belief being a relative thing.

My belief is that god has a plan for each of us...

and when you lose faith in that plan to the point you take your own life...

you have turned your back upon him.

CowboyGH's photo
Sun 10/10/10 08:32 PM

Tomatos, tomaaatos.

you say this I say that.

Both could be right.

Belief being a relative thing.

My belief is that god has a plan for each of us...

and when you lose faith in that plan to the point you take your own life...

you have turned your back upon him.


I agree, yes you have. But nevertheless it isn't our place to judge anyone. We will be judged with what measure we judge others. Jesus hasn't told us to specifically "not judge" anyone. But we will be judged with the same measure we judge others with.

CowboyGH's photo
Sun 10/10/10 08:35 PM


Tomatos, tomaaatos.

you say this I say that.

Both could be right.

Belief being a relative thing.

My belief is that god has a plan for each of us...

and when you lose faith in that plan to the point you take your own life...

you have turned your back upon him.


I agree, yes you have. But nevertheless it isn't our place to judge anyone. We will be judged with what measure we judge others. Jesus hasn't told us to specifically "not judge" anyone. But we will be judged with the same measure we judge others with.


Matthew 7:2 - For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

To be exact.

AdventureBegins's photo
Sun 10/10/10 08:36 PM


Tomatos, tomaaatos.

you say this I say that.

Both could be right.

Belief being a relative thing.

My belief is that god has a plan for each of us...

and when you lose faith in that plan to the point you take your own life...

you have turned your back upon him.


I agree, yes you have. But nevertheless it isn't our place to judge anyone. We will be judged with what measure we judge others. Jesus hasn't told us to specifically "not judge" anyone. But we will be judged with the same measure we judge others with.

Aye but when you have 'looked' away from god in that manner... You can not see his judgement.

Only you own.

Removing yourself from the presence of god.

There can be now worse fate... Hell.

CowboyGH's photo
Sun 10/10/10 08:48 PM



Tomatos, tomaaatos.

you say this I say that.

Both could be right.

Belief being a relative thing.

My belief is that god has a plan for each of us...

and when you lose faith in that plan to the point you take your own life...

you have turned your back upon him.


I agree, yes you have. But nevertheless it isn't our place to judge anyone. We will be judged with what measure we judge others. Jesus hasn't told us to specifically "not judge" anyone. But we will be judged with the same measure we judge others with.

Aye but when you have 'looked' away from god in that manner... You can not see his judgement.

Only you own.

Removing yourself from the presence of god.

There can be now worse fate... Hell.


Still, bottom line we aren't to judge others. The father offers forgiveness. We have not been faced with judgement so we know neither our fate nor anyone else's. And again it is not our place to judge anyone.

AdventureBegins's photo
Sun 10/10/10 09:14 PM




Tomatos, tomaaatos.

you say this I say that.

Both could be right.

Belief being a relative thing.

My belief is that god has a plan for each of us...

and when you lose faith in that plan to the point you take your own life...

you have turned your back upon him.

Oh but you misunderstand...

I judge Hitler not.

He did that himself by his own hand.

He will never know gods judgement.

He can not see god.
I agree, yes you have. But nevertheless it isn't our place to judge anyone. We will be judged with what measure we judge others. Jesus hasn't told us to specifically "not judge" anyone. But we will be judged with the same measure we judge others with.

Aye but when you have 'looked' away from god in that manner... You can not see his judgement.

Only you own.

Removing yourself from the presence of god.

There can be now worse fate... Hell.


Still, bottom line we aren't to judge others. The father offers forgiveness. We have not been faced with judgement so we know neither our fate nor anyone else's. And again it is not our place to judge anyone.

Previous 1