Topic: Only 39 Percent Would Vote to Re-Elect Obama in 2012
mightymoe's photo
Mon 10/11/10 10:15 PM





Look I am tired of you calling names. Not one person in this thread has called a name but you, even political motivate names. Keep the personal attacks to yourself.
I don't care if the definition of ******* describes you I wont use it on this forum, so don't use "birthers" to describe people here unless you want the insults and name calling to start. Make your point without insulting people.


LOL!!!!

Well, report me and we'll let the mods decide. I think if you read the rules, though, using "******" to hide insults is waaay past anything I'm guilty of, imagined or othewise, in this thread. 'Birthers' after all, isn't an epithet, a profanity or anything that doesn't appear in the blogosphere ALL THE TIME. Besides, I haven't actually called anyone that, I just have run their positions up the flag pole and stood back and watched who saluted and with how much vigor.

That's what really separates the fanatics from the moderates.

Oh, and BTW? I've never registered to vote as anything but an Independent and though I find the Republicans pretty culpable for a lot of what transpired over the last 10 years, that doesn't mean I love what the Democrats have with the franchise handed to them in '06. I really feel voting as an Independent oftimes comes down to choosing between the lesser of two evils.

And I'm STILL waiting on citations of those court cases-- could it be *gasp* THAT THERE ARE NONE??? And this accusation of ad hominem attacks is just to get rid of the pesky person who keeps pointing out that the Birth Certificate Emperor is Naked? LOL!!

-Kerry O.


It's pointless to explain anything to these people here in the politics forum. You have a better chance teaching an elephant to fly. Let them cook in their own stew.

Actually it would be best for independent minded folks not even reply and boycott the entire politics forum on mingle2. Obviously even the mingle staff is biased to allow them to spew their hatred.
That's ok though, they got their men...I'll be working on to clean up this place by hitting them where it hurts the most. Their advertisers and bringing down some internet police into their necks. They really think they can get away with this, they are wrong. I'm serious too..I had it with this place, they gonna regret it and there isn't a damn thing they can do about it. They either clean up after their members or disappear from the web. That's it.
wow - aren't you the internet stud... do your best, you talked the talk, now it's time to walk the walk...

msharmony's photo
Mon 10/11/10 11:28 PM
are their truly internet STANDARDS about what can be on the internet? ,,,I mean besides kiddy porn?

d24's photo
Mon 10/11/10 11:29 PM





Look I am tired of you calling names. Not one person in this thread has called a name but you, even political motivate names. Keep the personal attacks to yourself.
I don't care if the definition of ******* describes you I wont use it on this forum, so don't use "birthers" to describe people here unless you want the insults and name calling to start. Make your point without insulting people.


LOL!!!!

Well, report me and we'll let the mods decide. I think if you read the rules, though, using "******" to hide insults is waaay past anything I'm guilty of, imagined or othewise, in this thread. 'Birthers' after all, isn't an epithet, a profanity or anything that doesn't appear in the blogosphere ALL THE TIME. Besides, I haven't actually called anyone that, I just have run their positions up the flag pole and stood back and watched who saluted and with how much vigor.

That's what really separates the fanatics from the moderates.

Oh, and BTW? I've never registered to vote as anything but an Independent and though I find the Republicans pretty culpable for a lot of what transpired over the last 10 years, that doesn't mean I love what the Democrats have with the franchise handed to them in '06. I really feel voting as an Independent oftimes comes down to choosing between the lesser of two evils.

And I'm STILL waiting on citations of those court cases-- could it be *gasp* THAT THERE ARE NONE??? And this accusation of ad hominem attacks is just to get rid of the pesky person who keeps pointing out that the Birth Certificate Emperor is Naked? LOL!!

-Kerry O.


It's pointless to explain anything to these people here in the politics forum. You have a better chance teaching an elephant to fly. Let them cook in their own stew.

Actually it would be best for independent minded folks not even reply and boycott the entire politics forum on mingle2. Obviously even the mingle staff is biased to allow them to spew their hatred.
That's ok though, they got their men...I'll be working on to clean up this place by hitting them where it hurts the most. Their advertisers and bringing down some internet police into their necks. They really think they can get away with this, they are wrong. I'm serious too..I had it with this place, they gonna regret it and there isn't a damn thing they can do about it. They either clean up after their members or disappear from the web. That's it.
Hey I am not trying to be mean here...But everyone is entitled to an opinion here. No matter age,race,sex,religion, and if you dont like it here you don't have to post.Here is a tissue

msharmony's photo
Mon 10/11/10 11:34 PM



Second of all, who cares about a court case, I am stating a simple fact to shut people up about the birth cirtificate, if he wants to shut people up alls he has to do is produce it. No court case is needed for that.


Indeed it would not. Let's say, for the sake of argument, he kept producing every document demanded by the Birthers.

You know, of course, what would happen next, right?

"He's still a Muslim, I don't care how many Christian churches he's attended."

It's like being stupid enough to gift an answer to the age-old question "When did you stop beating your wife" to someone intent on running your reputation into the ground for no particular sane reason. The proper answer to that one is, "I'll see you in court."

-Kerry O.





He is a mslim and already admitted it :)

You can see that as he correct's himself he looks hard to the side. A very common way to spot a lie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auwe-aGF4Lo&feature=related




so we determine other peoples faiths now,,?....lol

mightymoe's photo
Mon 10/11/10 11:34 PM






Look I am tired of you calling names. Not one person in this thread has called a name but you, even political motivate names. Keep the personal attacks to yourself.
I don't care if the definition of ******* describes you I wont use it on this forum, so don't use "birthers" to describe people here unless you want the insults and name calling to start. Make your point without insulting people.


LOL!!!!

Well, report me and we'll let the mods decide. I think if you read the rules, though, using "******" to hide insults is waaay past anything I'm guilty of, imagined or othewise, in this thread. 'Birthers' after all, isn't an epithet, a profanity or anything that doesn't appear in the blogosphere ALL THE TIME. Besides, I haven't actually called anyone that, I just have run their positions up the flag pole and stood back and watched who saluted and with how much vigor.

That's what really separates the fanatics from the moderates.

Oh, and BTW? I've never registered to vote as anything but an Independent and though I find the Republicans pretty culpable for a lot of what transpired over the last 10 years, that doesn't mean I love what the Democrats have with the franchise handed to them in '06. I really feel voting as an Independent oftimes comes down to choosing between the lesser of two evils.

And I'm STILL waiting on citations of those court cases-- could it be *gasp* THAT THERE ARE NONE??? And this accusation of ad hominem attacks is just to get rid of the pesky person who keeps pointing out that the Birth Certificate Emperor is Naked? LOL!!

-Kerry O.


It's pointless to explain anything to these people here in the politics forum. You have a better chance teaching an elephant to fly. Let them cook in their own stew.

Actually it would be best for independent minded folks not even reply and boycott the entire politics forum on mingle2. Obviously even the mingle staff is biased to allow them to spew their hatred.
That's ok though, they got their men...I'll be working on to clean up this place by hitting them where it hurts the most. Their advertisers and bringing down some internet police into their necks. They really think they can get away with this, they are wrong. I'm serious too..I had it with this place, they gonna regret it and there isn't a damn thing they can do about it. They either clean up after their members or disappear from the web. That's it.
Hey I am not trying to be mean here...But everyone is entitled to an opinion here. No matter age,race,sex,religion, and if you dont like it here you don't have to post.Here is a tissue

he might need some cheese with his wine too...

d24's photo
Mon 10/11/10 11:39 PM







Look I am tired of you calling names. Not one person in this thread has called a name but you, even political motivate names. Keep the personal attacks to yourself.
I don't care if the definition of ******* describes you I wont use it on this forum, so don't use "birthers" to describe people here unless you want the insults and name calling to start. Make your point without insulting people.


LOL!!!!

Well, report me and we'll let the mods decide. I think if you read the rules, though, using "******" to hide insults is waaay past anything I'm guilty of, imagined or othewise, in this thread. 'Birthers' after all, isn't an epithet, a profanity or anything that doesn't appear in the blogosphere ALL THE TIME. Besides, I haven't actually called anyone that, I just have run their positions up the flag pole and stood back and watched who saluted and with how much vigor.

That's what really separates the fanatics from the moderates.

Oh, and BTW? I've never registered to vote as anything but an Independent and though I find the Republicans pretty culpable for a lot of what transpired over the last 10 years, that doesn't mean I love what the Democrats have with the franchise handed to them in '06. I really feel voting as an Independent oftimes comes down to choosing between the lesser of two evils.

And I'm STILL waiting on citations of those court cases-- could it be *gasp* THAT THERE ARE NONE??? And this accusation of ad hominem attacks is just to get rid of the pesky person who keeps pointing out that the Birth Certificate Emperor is Naked? LOL!!

-Kerry O.


It's pointless to explain anything to these people here in the politics forum. You have a better chance teaching an elephant to fly. Let them cook in their own stew.

Actually it would be best for independent minded folks not even reply and boycott the entire politics forum on mingle2. Obviously even the mingle staff is biased to allow them to spew their hatred.
That's ok though, they got their men...I'll be working on to clean up this place by hitting them where it hurts the most. Their advertisers and bringing down some internet police into their necks. They really think they can get away with this, they are wrong. I'm serious too..I had it with this place, they gonna regret it and there isn't a damn thing they can do about it. They either clean up after their members or disappear from the web. That's it.
Hey I am not trying to be mean here...But everyone is entitled to an opinion here. No matter age,race,sex,religion, and if you dont like it here you don't have to post.Here is a tissue

he might need some cheese with his wine too...
laugh laugh rofl That was good! I mean I terrified of the internet police. If I ran this web site I would kick him off for putting down Mingle2.

KerryO's photo
Tue 10/12/10 06:14 PM



He is a mslim and already admitted it :)

You can see that as he correct's himself he looks hard to the side. A very common way to spot a lie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auwe-aGF4Lo&feature=related




so we determine other peoples faiths now,,?....lol


And with no less than that Internet bastion of Truth All The Time as 'proof', YouTube??

I wonder how long it'll be before The Star and other supermarket tabloids start publishing righwing voters' guides? :)

But I digress.


See, my prophecy about someone calling Obama a 'mslim' has been fulfilled.

-Kerry O. "I'm feeling so mavericky..."


Dragoness's photo
Tue 10/12/10 06:29 PM

are their truly internet STANDARDS about what can be on the internet? ,,,I mean besides kiddy porn?


It is illegal to view or possess kiddie porn. It is also a hard case to find and prove.

Lpdon's photo
Tue 10/12/10 06:29 PM



Second of all, who cares about a court case, I am stating a simple fact to shut people up about the birth cirtificate, if he wants to shut people up alls he has to do is produce it. No court case is needed for that.


Indeed it would not. Let's say, for the sake of argument, he kept producing every document demanded by the Birthers.

You know, of course, what would happen next, right?

"He's still a Muslim, I don't care how many Christian churches he's attended."

It's like being stupid enough to gift an answer to the age-old question "When did you stop beating your wife" to someone intent on running your reputation into the ground for no particular sane reason. The proper answer to that one is, "I'll see you in court."

-Kerry O.





He is a mslim and already admitted it :)

You can see that as he correct's himself he looks hard to the side. A very common way to spot a lie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auwe-aGF4Lo&feature=related



Actually you are right, a very common trick for an investigator to tell is soemone is lying or not, they look away. If they break eye contact and the eyes go left they are recalling a memory and they eyes go right they are trying to come up with something.

Dragoness's photo
Tue 10/12/10 06:30 PM




He is a mslim and already admitted it :)

You can see that as he correct's himself he looks hard to the side. A very common way to spot a lie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auwe-aGF4Lo&feature=related




so we determine other peoples faiths now,,?....lol


And with no less than that Internet bastion of Truth All The Time as 'proof', YouTube??

I wonder how long it'll be before The Star and other supermarket tabloids start publishing righwing voters' guides? :)

But I digress.


See, my prophecy about someone calling Obama a 'mslim' has been fulfilled.

-Kerry O. "I'm feeling so mavericky..."




:thumbsup: rofl

Dragoness's photo
Tue 10/12/10 06:32 PM
U tube as valid news sourcenoway

I guess people don't realize that it is personal video from people who can alter it to show whatever they want it to.noway

Lpdon's photo
Tue 10/12/10 06:32 PM


are their truly internet STANDARDS about what can be on the internet? ,,,I mean besides kiddy porn?


It is illegal to view or possess kiddie porn. It is also a hard case to find and prove.


No it's not hard to find and prove. The FBI, US Marshals, ICE and other Federal Agencies have task forces and constantly arrest suspects. Hell two have been in the papers just this last week here in my town.

Dragoness's photo
Tue 10/12/10 06:33 PM




Second of all, who cares about a court case, I am stating a simple fact to shut people up about the birth cirtificate, if he wants to shut people up alls he has to do is produce it. No court case is needed for that.


Indeed it would not. Let's say, for the sake of argument, he kept producing every document demanded by the Birthers.

You know, of course, what would happen next, right?

"He's still a Muslim, I don't care how many Christian churches he's attended."

It's like being stupid enough to gift an answer to the age-old question "When did you stop beating your wife" to someone intent on running your reputation into the ground for no particular sane reason. The proper answer to that one is, "I'll see you in court."

-Kerry O.





He is a mslim and already admitted it :)

You can see that as he correct's himself he looks hard to the side. A very common way to spot a lie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auwe-aGF4Lo&feature=related



Actually you are right, a very common trick for an investigator to tell is soemone is lying or not, they look away. If they break eye contact and the eyes go left they are recalling a memory and they eyes go right they are trying to come up with something.


You said it opposite of what it is. Left is the lie and right is the memory but that is okay nobody is perfect.

Lpdon's photo
Tue 10/12/10 06:34 PM





Second of all, who cares about a court case, I am stating a simple fact to shut people up about the birth cirtificate, if he wants to shut people up alls he has to do is produce it. No court case is needed for that.


Indeed it would not. Let's say, for the sake of argument, he kept producing every document demanded by the Birthers.

You know, of course, what would happen next, right?

"He's still a Muslim, I don't care how many Christian churches he's attended."

It's like being stupid enough to gift an answer to the age-old question "When did you stop beating your wife" to someone intent on running your reputation into the ground for no particular sane reason. The proper answer to that one is, "I'll see you in court."

-Kerry O.





He is a mslim and already admitted it :)

You can see that as he correct's himself he looks hard to the side. A very common way to spot a lie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auwe-aGF4Lo&feature=related



Actually you are right, a very common trick for an investigator to tell is soemone is lying or not, they look away. If they break eye contact and the eyes go left they are recalling a memory and they eyes go right they are trying to come up with something.


You said it opposite of what it is. Left is the lie and right is the memory but that is okay nobody is perfect.


No, I am sure I am right on this one.

KerryO's photo
Tue 10/12/10 07:03 PM


Actually you are right, a very common trick for an investigator to tell is soemone is lying or not, they look away. If they break eye contact and the eyes go left they are recalling a memory and they eyes go right they are trying to come up with something.



And if this were valid, it would be admissable as evidence in a court of law. Psychopaths can mislead investigators with the greatest of ease.

And sometimes the investigators themselves have a hidden agenda and biases that render as tainted anything they 'discover'. Investigators are just as human and open to dishonesty about their motives as those they interrogate. They can ask loaded questions of the type 'when did you stop beating your wife' type and interpret the result any way they like, especially when they are under pressure to produce results.

If you really want to see evasion at work, watch Sarah Palin during the debates. She was a master at it and could do so looking the audience square in the eye. Any questions she didn't have pat answers to were just brushed aside.

Goose. Gander.

-Kerry O., "...and why did she _really_ quit as governor of Alaska."

Lpdon's photo
Tue 10/12/10 07:10 PM



Actually you are right, a very common trick for an investigator to tell is soemone is lying or not, they look away. If they break eye contact and the eyes go left they are recalling a memory and they eyes go right they are trying to come up with something.



And if this were valid, it would be admissable as evidence in a court of law. Psychopaths can mislead investigators with the greatest of ease.

And sometimes the investigators themselves have a hidden agenda and biases that render as tainted anything they 'discover'. Investigators are just as human and open to dishonesty about their motives as those they interrogate. They can ask loaded questions of the type 'when did you stop beating your wife' type and interpret the result any way they like, especially when they are under pressure to produce results.

If you really want to see evasion at work, watch Sarah Palin during the debates. She was a master at it and could do so looking the audience square in the eye. Any questions she didn't have pat answers to were just brushed aside.

Goose. Gander.

-Kerry O., "...and why did she _really_ quit as governor of Alaska."


It's not admissable but it is a common trick to tell if someone is lying and to prod them for more information or to straight up not believe them. I have over 1,100 interrogations under my belt. I think I know what I am talking on this one.

Also not one of my cases ever got dropped or the person found not guilty.

KerryO's photo
Tue 10/12/10 07:34 PM




Actually you are right, a very common trick for an investigator to tell is soemone is lying or not, they look away. If they break eye contact and the eyes go left they are recalling a memory and they eyes go right they are trying to come up with something.



And if this were valid, it would be admissable as evidence in a court of law. Psychopaths can mislead investigators with the greatest of ease.

And sometimes the investigators themselves have a hidden agenda and biases that render as tainted anything they 'discover'. Investigators are just as human and open to dishonesty about their motives as those they interrogate. They can ask loaded questions of the type 'when did you stop beating your wife' type and interpret the result any way they like, especially when they are under pressure to produce results.

If you really want to see evasion at work, watch Sarah Palin during the debates. She was a master at it and could do so looking the audience square in the eye. Any questions she didn't have pat answers to were just brushed aside.

Goose. Gander.

-Kerry O., "...and why did she _really_ quit as governor of Alaska."


It's not admissable but it is a common trick to tell if someone is lying and to prod them for more information or to straight up not believe them. I have over 1,100 interrogations under my belt. I think I know what I am talking on this one.

Also not one of my cases ever got dropped or the person found not guilty.



So, you're saying that Obama is 'guilty' of exactly what? Of being a Muslim? That on your expertise alone you can "convict" him in the court of public opinion of this 'infraction'?

Now, I'm not saying your gut instincts are necessarily wrong, I'm saying there is a HUGE difference between prosecuting shoplifters and other riff-raff and politics.

For starters, I'm sure he's probably sensitive about questions about Muslims, but that's pretty easy to understand. It's more likely a matter of his wishing people would understand that it was probably challenging growing up as a child of a mixed marriage. Heck, I used to be married to a Catholic, I'm sure I might give you the same reaction if you asked me pointed questions about my interaction with the Catholic faith.

But without knowing any more, you really wouldn't 'know' anything.

-Kerry O.

Dragoness's photo
Tue 10/12/10 07:59 PM






Second of all, who cares about a court case, I am stating a simple fact to shut people up about the birth cirtificate, if he wants to shut people up alls he has to do is produce it. No court case is needed for that.


Indeed it would not. Let's say, for the sake of argument, he kept producing every document demanded by the Birthers.

You know, of course, what would happen next, right?

"He's still a Muslim, I don't care how many Christian churches he's attended."

It's like being stupid enough to gift an answer to the age-old question "When did you stop beating your wife" to someone intent on running your reputation into the ground for no particular sane reason. The proper answer to that one is, "I'll see you in court."

-Kerry O.





He is a mslim and already admitted it :)

You can see that as he correct's himself he looks hard to the side. A very common way to spot a lie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auwe-aGF4Lo&feature=related



Actually you are right, a very common trick for an investigator to tell is soemone is lying or not, they look away. If they break eye contact and the eyes go left they are recalling a memory and they eyes go right they are trying to come up with something.


You said it opposite of what it is. Left is the lie and right is the memory but that is okay nobody is perfect.


No, I am sure I am right on this one.


Best look it up so you do not make a mistake, I know you are wrong here.

Dragoness's photo
Tue 10/12/10 08:01 PM





Actually you are right, a very common trick for an investigator to tell is soemone is lying or not, they look away. If they break eye contact and the eyes go left they are recalling a memory and they eyes go right they are trying to come up with something.



And if this were valid, it would be admissable as evidence in a court of law. Psychopaths can mislead investigators with the greatest of ease.

And sometimes the investigators themselves have a hidden agenda and biases that render as tainted anything they 'discover'. Investigators are just as human and open to dishonesty about their motives as those they interrogate. They can ask loaded questions of the type 'when did you stop beating your wife' type and interpret the result any way they like, especially when they are under pressure to produce results.

If you really want to see evasion at work, watch Sarah Palin during the debates. She was a master at it and could do so looking the audience square in the eye. Any questions she didn't have pat answers to were just brushed aside.

Goose. Gander.

-Kerry O., "...and why did she _really_ quit as governor of Alaska."


It's not admissable but it is a common trick to tell if someone is lying and to prod them for more information or to straight up not believe them. I have over 1,100 interrogations under my belt. I think I know what I am talking on this one.

Also not one of my cases ever got dropped or the person found not guilty.



So, you're saying that Obama is 'guilty' of exactly what? Of being a Muslim? That on your expertise alone you can "convict" him in the court of public opinion of this 'infraction'?

Now, I'm not saying your gut instincts are necessarily wrong, I'm saying there is a HUGE difference between prosecuting shoplifters and other riff-raff and politics.

For starters, I'm sure he's probably sensitive about questions about Muslims, but that's pretty easy to understand. It's more likely a matter of his wishing people would understand that it was probably challenging growing up as a child of a mixed marriage. Heck, I used to be married to a Catholic, I'm sure I might give you the same reaction if you asked me pointed questions about my interaction with the Catholic faith.

But without knowing any more, you really wouldn't 'know' anything.

-Kerry O.


He is not a Muslim no matter what way he looked.

He goes to a Christian church and that wouldn't happen at all if he was a Muslim.

Lpdon's photo
Tue 10/12/10 09:43 PM






Actually you are right, a very common trick for an investigator to tell is soemone is lying or not, they look away. If they break eye contact and the eyes go left they are recalling a memory and they eyes go right they are trying to come up with something.



And if this were valid, it would be admissable as evidence in a court of law. Psychopaths can mislead investigators with the greatest of ease.

And sometimes the investigators themselves have a hidden agenda and biases that render as tainted anything they 'discover'. Investigators are just as human and open to dishonesty about their motives as those they interrogate. They can ask loaded questions of the type 'when did you stop beating your wife' type and interpret the result any way they like, especially when they are under pressure to produce results.

If you really want to see evasion at work, watch Sarah Palin during the debates. She was a master at it and could do so looking the audience square in the eye. Any questions she didn't have pat answers to were just brushed aside.

Goose. Gander.

-Kerry O., "...and why did she _really_ quit as governor of Alaska."


It's not admissable but it is a common trick to tell if someone is lying and to prod them for more information or to straight up not believe them. I have over 1,100 interrogations under my belt. I think I know what I am talking on this one.

Also not one of my cases ever got dropped or the person found not guilty.



So, you're saying that Obama is 'guilty' of exactly what? Of being a Muslim? That on your expertise alone you can "convict" him in the court of public opinion of this 'infraction'?

Now, I'm not saying your gut instincts are necessarily wrong, I'm saying there is a HUGE difference between prosecuting shoplifters and other riff-raff and politics.

For starters, I'm sure he's probably sensitive about questions about Muslims, but that's pretty easy to understand. It's more likely a matter of his wishing people would understand that it was probably challenging growing up as a child of a mixed marriage. Heck, I used to be married to a Catholic, I'm sure I might give you the same reaction if you asked me pointed questions about my interaction with the Catholic faith.

But without knowing any more, you really wouldn't 'know' anything.

-Kerry O.


He is not a Muslim no matter what way he looked.

He goes to a Christian church and that wouldn't happen at all if he was a Muslim.


Actually he went to a Islamic School overseas for several years that did teach parts of radicalism.