religion i think had the best of intentions to help make better people ....but along the way ...PEOPLE made off with their own interpretations of what religion is...which one is the supposed true religion and what their supposed true god will do to non-believers and such.

it is said that man is imperfect...yet it is by man that alot of these religions are made and they hide behind verses and bibles n such to promote themselves or to put themselves above reproach.

i believe in god but i believe that his or her or it (?) message has been lost by the many interpretations.


my opinion ...my perspective ....and just mine lol ...and im not sayinga nyone else has to believe as i do lmao...(trying nott o cross any lines there lmao)

i liked ghandi's thoughts on religion...that he beleived that all religions were all just different paths to the same destination....that they all preached god and that god has many names.

that the goal of any religion should be to make a person a better person...and that a religion should not try to assimilate or judge others of different beliefs but to make peace with them and wish them the best in their own lives.

But you're not consistent in your claims:

The verses do not back up what you said.

You said, "- EVERYONE will be judged according to their lives

But scripture doesn't agree with that, scripture says:


John.3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Now you say:


But that's a far cry from saying "- EVERYONE will be judged according to their lives

Make up your mind. You preach with forked tongue.

Christianity preaches religious intolerance, period amen!

Supposedly Jesus can "forgive" poorly led lives. Thus your claim that EVERYONE will be judged according to their lives, doesn't hold water at all. Not one bit.

A person who lives a righteous life but does not believe that Jesus was the only begotten son of God is already condemned. (John 3:18)

Moreover, a person who lives an unholy life can find forgiveness through Jesus. Therefore they will not be judged according to their lives as you have suggested. Instead they will be "saved through grace".

So the things you preach cannot be backed up with Christian Scripture. You are misrepresenting the doctrine in an effort to create your own version of "Designer Christianity".

Christianity demands a belief that Jesus is the only begotten son of God. The only way you can renounce that is to renounce the gospel of John. But once you get into renouncing scripture then you're writing your own version of the religion.

So Christianity demands a belief that Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God. Anything less is condemned already. That's what the gospel of John demands. He wrote it, and if you refute it, then you are rejecting the very dogma that you claim to be representing.

I agree completely. I too believe in a spiritual essence to reality. I also have nothing against peaceful religions that truly preach love.

But these religious mythologies that are out to assimilate and judge others in the name of some jealous egotistical godhead are truly despicable. All they do is cause people grief and wars, IMHO.

I just don't see anything "godly" about them at all.

How about the A & E Baptist Church? What do you know about them? You see things in the broadest ideals. The fact is some might share your world views but there are a lot of others who don't. There are other Hate Churches out there.

It is all reality it is all just relative to the argument. Islam supposedly is about love but look at the unity and love they share as well. Once upon a time Christianity had its era of blood. It was called the dark ages. Who was in charge back then??? Now lets mention the Eastern Orthodoxy. They likewise are Christians but they have some fundamental differences to traditional Christianity many of us would normally understand due to a lack of education.

Just becasue the written word says one thing to you it can say something totally different to someone else.

I just skipped all the usaul to say that I disagree. I doubt it's designed within it's own agendas to divide...it is to control large numbers.

If religion divides enough then it loses it's strength to control society...and the government, less likely to see another Dippical disaster.

So the more they devide the less hazardous they are to humanity.

Roger Waters would agree...lol.

We are all judged for our sins. Denying the Lord thy God is a sin, and the bible tells of the results from such action.

Only for those who believe in it

Well with that kind of thinking if someone doesn't believe it's against the law to murder someone they can do it freely without consequence of going to prison because they don't believe there will be a punishment?

Not even

Yes ma'am, a law is a law. Doesn't matter if you don't believe in the law or the makers of the law. It's never the less a law and has consequences.

Outside of law's with that kind of thinking would be like

I don't think the sun won't come up tomorrow, and believing it won't just because you feel that way.

Things are the way they are, weather you want to believe it or not.

Religion isn't law it is fantasy. Make believe.

You know magic.

So no similarities there at all.

Unless in your mind alone.

religion - 3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion


from miriam webster


religion is there to teach about a subject (God, or Allah, or Christ , or whomever)



people are divided by their customs and borders and traditions with or without religion,,,religion is just another of many SUBJECTS that people study

Next you're gonna tell me government is a myth as well. Have you ever met the president? Do you see what he does everyday? Do we have a mayer? Have you ever seen him do his work?

Reason i said the do his work part is cause anyone could claim to be such and such. As in Osama claims to be the president of the USA..... but is he truly the president? Is he the one that really makes the decisions?

If you answere yes to any of these questions, my question to that is how do you know?

EVERYTHING is put a level of faith that such and such is true. Why do you put faith that so and so is the president of such country and not question it, just take people's word and believe someone when they claim to be as such, but you can't have that same faith in the father?

Matching man's law with a religious one...sure we can agree that murder is and should be illegal...you get about 2 1/2 of your commandments that fit...the rest is just plain nonsense.

Comparing a real person to an imaginary one isn't a good analogy.

Osama is not our president so that makes no sense.

Believing in a real person again doesn't compare to believing in a make believe one.

So you make no valid point to debate.

Religions doctrines are not laws unless you want them to be and god is not real unless you want him/her/it to be.

So you can only suffer hell if you believe there is one.

No Obama isn't a real person, i don't believe it i want you to prove it. And no he's not the president, that just wouldn't make sense cause he's a fictional character. So now it's you making no valid point.

So?

I was right. You're previous comment that "- EVERYONE will be judged according to their lives" is false and misleading.

Now you're saying that we are judged on what we believe. Surely you believe that Jesus is capable of forgiving even the worst sinner. Therefore we are not judged according to our lives, but rather we are judged based on what we believe. A person can live a horrible life and be redeemed at the last minute by simply realizing at the last minute, "Ah! Jesus really is the only begotten son of God and I accept him as my lord and savior from this moment forward".

In fact, this scenario can't possible work. Because the implications of such a "system of judgment" is clearly unjust.

For example, you could have a lovely daughter who loves humankind with all her heart and soul. She gives sacrifices her life to help others in need, and lives a totally righteous life, BUT, she doesn't buy into the Hebrew folklore and refuses to believe that Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God.

In the meantime, a really nasty rapist, who has already raped several innocent young girls just like your daughter, also comes along and ruthlessly tortures you girl, rapes her and murders her. However, later in his life he meets YOU and you convince him that Jesus is the Son of God, and he repents and accepts Jesus as his savior.

You end up dying and going to spend eternity in heaven with your daughter's reformed rapist, in the mean time when you meet Jesus you ask him, "Where is my daughter?", and he replies, "Well, she refused to believe in me, so she's gone for good. She perished. You'll never see her again. She no longer exists because she didn't believe in ME!"

I truly wonder how you would feel about YOUR Jesus then?

A God who judged people on whether or not they believed in a particular mythology makes absolutely no sense at all. Especially a male-chauvinistic mythology like the Hebrews wrote that's full of violent solutions to every problem even the violent solution of having Jesus nailed to a pole so he could forgive your daughter's rapist, but NOT your daughter!

Do you truly expect me to bow down and worship this God that you describe? I think not. If he exists he would be worse than Hitler. An egotist who is so hung-up on himself that he places more importance on being recognized as God than on RIGHTEOUSNESS and fairness to others.

No. You're religion doesn't make any sense to me. Sorry. I wouldn't worship your blood-thirsty God even if I thought he did exist. If I thought he existed I would just throw my hands up in the air and confess, "We were obviously created by a lunatic God".

such a God would be far beneath myself in terms of moral character.

Religions that are based on "jealous gods" are clearly false religions. There can be no doubt about that. Jealousy is a human FLAW, and certainly not something that I'd expect a God to focus on as his most important attribute.

We will be judged OF our actions we take in life. Believing in something is an action you CHOSE to do. Bottom line is we will be judged on the things we chose, how we chose, and why we choose what we had chose.

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A God who judged people on whether or not they believed in a particular mythology makes absolutely no sense at all. Especially a male-chauvinistic mythology like the Hebrews wrote that's full of violent solutions to every problem even the violent solution of having Jesus nailed to a pole so he could forgive your daughter's rapist, but NOT your daughter
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That's a contradiction all in it's own. How could God judge anyone if he is a myth? So obviously people won't be judged on believing in a particular mythology, for if God was judging you he would obviously not be a myth.

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For example, you could have a lovely daughter who loves humankind with all her heart and soul. She gives sacrifices her life to help others in need, and lives a totally righteous life, BUT, she doesn't buy into the Hebrew folklore and refuses to believe that Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God.
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Got a question for you, if your child refused to admit you were their parent would you allow them to live with you? Would you help them out and do what they ask? When all this time they keep refusing to admit you're their parent?
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In the meantime, a really nasty rapist, who has already raped several innocent young girls just like your daughter, also comes along and ruthlessly tortures you girl, rapes her and murders her. However, later in his life he meets YOU and you convince him that Jesus is the Son of God, and he repents and accepts Jesus as his savior.
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your other child loves you but continues to do horrible actions. Making bad decisions time after time. Shows you a bit of love, acknowledges you are their parent and treats you as such. And tries to make a relation with you showing you love. Would you allow them to live with you?
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such a God would be far beneath myself in terms of moral character
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So you have good morals? Do people with good morals go around putting people down for things they believe? Do people with good morals make other people look like animals? Do people with good morals try to bring any form of anger or any kind of negative emotion to someone?

Your question is meaningless. I'm not invisible. I wouldn't be an irresponsible parent who plays hide-and-seek with my children and expect them to believe hearsay from unreliable sources to learn about me.

Your comparison of God with human parents always fails because your invisible God does not constitute a responsible parent.



That's an impossible question for me to address because there are too many factors involved. Is the child physically or mentally ill? That would be my first suspicion and I would seek medical advice.

Again, your comparison here is meaningless, because a supposedly "All-knowing" God would know precisely what was going on. In fact, this is just another reason why a "Belief" in such a God would be totally unimportant.

You're just proving that jealous gods are clearly fallacies made up by man because no "All-Knowing" God would require "belief" in order to be able to judge fairly. You're reducing God to a mere mundane human.



I do none of those things. You imagine that because you're trying to SELL a religion and no one is buying.

I have never put you down for your beliefs. I've simply pointed out why I believe the mythology to be utterly absurd. If you take that as a "put down" then all I can figure is that you give my views quite a bit of merit.

As far as your latter two questions, they seem to apply to the very religion that you continually proselytize. You proselytize a religion that demands that no heathen can be a good person. Whether you personally condone that belief or not is irrelevant, the religion that you proselytize does make this claim. So the religion you preach tries to make people out to be animals, (especially anyone who refuses to acknowledge and support the religion)

Also, you may not realize this, but when you constantly proselytize that Christianity is the only true religion you are angering a lot of people. You're insulting their beliefs. For you to demand that only your religion is the one true religion is absolutely no different from belittling everyone else's religion individually. You're just insulting everyone at once in bulk.

Besides you're the salesperson here. You're trying to sell your religion. I'm simply explaining why I'm not buying. As long as you continue to proselytize the religion, I'll continue to point out why I personally feel that it's utterly absurd and unworthy of buying into. It's nothing personal to you. It's the religion I'm refuting, not the salesperson.

As a human species on planet Earth we really need to move beyond these Abrahamic Religions. If anything I say can help others to realize just how utterly absurd these jealous religions are, then I will have done my part to rid humanity of these spiritual cancers.

As long as the Jews, Muslims and Christians continue to use their jealous god to hate each other, the rest of the people on Planet Earth are going to suffer. So the sooner people chalk these religions off as fiction the better.

We just don't need these jealous egotistical religions.

I'm an Earthling, I live on Planet Earth. I have a right to object to these absurd egotistical jealous religions. They are clearly ungodly and cannot be from any supreme being.

Gods who drown people in floods, and turn people into pillars of salt. and order people to mass murder heathens killing all their women and children too? Come on. Get REAL!