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Topic: Michael Moore's "Sicko"
Jack_5150's photo
Tue 06/26/07 08:52 PM
I'm all for education reform promoting self reliance. Agree...give me
control of my money and let me fund my own retirement through vehicles
such as IRA's/401K's...change the tax structure to strongly promote
retirement savings. Agree that educating people in the skills required
to adequately plan and save would be key to making any of this work.

lily38's photo
Tue 06/26/07 10:42 PM
Michael Moore kicks ass!

ajhagena's photo
Tue 06/26/07 11:03 PM
The problem with public health care is that much of a person's health is
a consequence of the sum of his or her personal decisions. To give
everyone equal, universal access is to take away a person's
responsibility to look after his or herself—of course, there are
somethings that are outside a person's control (freak accident's,
certain diseases), and everyone should get treatment for those.

The problem with Michael Moore is that he discourages critical thinking
and reasonable discussion about the issues, and instead encourages the
perpetuation of blind partisan conflict, the use of empty rhetoric
instead of logical arguments, and the tendency to believe whatever your
political 'allies' say. His "documentaries" could come right out of
1984.

The problem with our education system is—well, Aldous Huxley puts it
best:

http://www.huxley.net/bnw-revisited/index.html#education (the whole
thing is good too though, but the education chapter is most relevant).

"In their anti-rational propaganda the enemies of freedom systematically
pervert the resources of language in order to wheedle or stampede their
victims into thinking, feeling and acting as they, the
mind-manipulators, want them to think, feel and act. An education for
freedom (and for the love and intelligence which are at once the
conditions and the results of freedom) must be, among other things, an
educa tion in the proper uses of language. For the last two or three
generations philosophers have devoted a great deal of time and thought
to the analysis of symbols and the meaning of meaning. How are the words
and sentences which we speak related to the things, per sons and events,
with which we have to deal in our day-to-day living? To discuss this
problem would take too long and lead us too far afield. Suffice it to
say that all the intellectual materials for a sound education in the
proper use of language -- an education on every level from the
kindergarten to the postgraduate school -- are now available. Such an
education in the art of distinguishing between the proper and the
improper use of symbols could be inaugurated immediately. In deed it
might have been inaugurated at any time during the last thirty or forty
years. And yet children are nowhere taught, in any systematic way, to
distinguish true from false, or meaningful from meaningless, state
ments. Why is this so? Because their elders, even in the democratic
countries, do not want them to be given this kind of education...."

Belushi's photo
Wed 06/27/07 12:10 AM
I have it on DVD already.

I have yet to watch it.

no photo
Wed 06/27/07 12:53 AM
Can't wait to watch it!!!bigsmile

s1owhand's photo
Wed 06/27/07 12:55 AM
opens Tuesday here.

no photo
Wed 06/27/07 01:00 AM
Let's go slow!!! we'll take the wife and kids!!!drinker

s1owhand's photo
Wed 06/27/07 01:31 AM
wife yes kids hell no! laugh

oldsage's photo
Wed 06/27/07 04:52 AM
US frst in TRAUMA care
37 in general medical care.
Take a good look at where the money goes.
Drug companies control medicine

MoreBass's photo
Wed 06/27/07 05:09 AM
the problem with michael moore is that people don't listen to him from
where he comes from. too many people try to view his movies from an
"intellectual" standpoint. watch his first movie, "roger and me" and you
will see that he comes from a blue collar background, and his movies are
geared toward that audience. his work should be taken with a grain of
salt, but he should be applauded for his desire to get an audience that
isn't necessarily all that concerned about global issues involved in
socio-political debate.

lily38's photo
Wed 06/27/07 11:02 PM
Well stated, More!! drinker
Ajhag.......stick to picking up the KFC litter........:tongue:

ajhagena's photo
Wed 06/27/07 11:13 PM
"too many people try to view his movies from an
"intellectual" standpoint. watch his first movie, "roger and me" and you
will see that he comes from a blue collar background, and his movies are
geared toward that audience."

Right, because 'blue collar' people can't think rationally.

*rolls eyes*

That's a ridiculous argument.

plp's photo
Thu 06/28/07 09:12 AM
Keep them responces coming.

davinci1952's photo
Thu 06/28/07 10:41 AM
I see Moore's movies like a FYI documentary...he is just pointing out flaws..
and has never called for revolt or anything....in one part of Sicko..after showing how
hospitals were caught dumping patients w/o insurance on the sidewalk and driving
away he asks: " Is this the kind of culture we have become?" ....yes, apparently it is...

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