You are good with research.

For every time a couple gets stoned to death, I am sure you can come up with at least ten cases of people killing each other in the United states for reasons that most people can't approve of.

Please don't call my words "crap". They may seem like that to you, but I still think we should keep the discourse dignified and stay away from using foul language.

I don't want this thread to deteriorate into simple name-calling and hatemongering. If you guys are not willing to debate a very debatable moral point in the tone of dignified discourse, then please tell me, and I'll get off at the next stop (so to speak).

You realize, that you are all of one opinion and I'm the only one of the opposing opinion. This puts me in a huge handicap right from the start. I can't get moral or emotional support from anyone. In view of this, I ask you to stay civil, and consider my arguments meritfully, not only as the opinions of an outsider that don't count.

You are good with research.

For every time a couple gets stoned to death, I am sure you can come up with at least ten cases of people killing each other in the United states for reasons that most people can't approve of.

Please don't call my words "crap". They may seem like that to you, but I still think we should keep the discourse dignified and stay away from using foul language.

I don't want this thread to deteriorate into simple name-calling and hatemongering. If you guys are not willing to debate a very debatable moral point in the tone of dignified discourse, then please tell me, and I'll get off at the next stop (so to speak).

You realize, that you are all of one opinion and I'm the only one of the opposing opinion. This puts me in a huge handicap right from the start. I can't get moral or emotional support from anyone. In view of this, I ask you to stay civil, and consider my arguments meritfully, not only as the opinions of an outsider that don't count.

Right you are. It just takes one bomb, though. Two hundred squadrons of US airplanes could not possibly have delivered the A bomb to Hiroshima. Only a single-flight innocent-looking airplane could.

I am Jewish, by the way. I still resent the treatment of the Arabic and Muslim nations that the Israeli foreign diplomacy forced on the world to do. If you crap on someone, they crap back on you. If you give them the Marshall plan, they will love you.

You, Americans, figured out for the first and only time how to deal with a defeated enemy in war that will put a stop to all future wars. And then you all of a sudden abandoned that policy.

The Israelis are wearing the blunt of this damned new policy, too. They know they can get bombed to pieces any day on the bus, in the market, anywhere. They live in with a high degree of stress. They abandoned living in fear. They live in the piss they forgot to drain of their foreign policy.

I don't have blood cousins living in Israel, but my cousin does. I basically condemn the Israelis for driving the Palestinians out and then washing their hands. The Arab world did not take up the case of the Palastine refugees, clearly as a moral weapon to force Israel to feel bad.

It developed from then on, until the point of today, when Iran will bomb Israel. If today's plan won't work out, it will work out in ten years from now, or twenty.

If you want to reduce it into whipping up hate agains the Arabs because they stoned a couple to death, then why don't you take up moral arms and deplore the killings that take place in Cape Town in a very similar fashion, or in Rio de Janeiro, or in Malaga, or in Indonesia, or in New York City.

You don't take on ALL the moral wrongs in the world because your nation, people in America, are extremely influenced by the media. You think you are morally superior but you don't see that if to the Arab world, then you are morally superior to all other third world worlds, and second world worlds, and to your own world as well.

The media has such a strong grip on you because your nation has developed from honesty. Your politics have always been scrutable by the average citizen. No secrets. Honesty, disclosure.

That was put to end with the murder of President Kennedy, and to this day its biggest affront was represented by the presidential election to get Bush II into office, and then your nation still did not wake up when Bush II started wars and evil things on completely false pretexts, that the ENTIRE WORLD KNEW that had access to free, uncensored, unaltered news reporting.

If your nation declines now, it is due to politicians like Bush II who has betrayed you, played you, sold you out and then left with a big grin on his evil face.

You made a good point here. If I don't want to accept your fanaticism, you have the right to not accept my fiction. Agreed.

Police is not always punished when they do wrong. I can't prove this with facts. I appeal to your sense of reality.

In the United States the law is secular. In most Muslim countries the law is determined by the clergy.

But law is law. Its origin is mostly a consideration to make people live together and enforce a standard which enables them to live together in a relatively uninterrupted way.

I am glad I live in a society of lawfulness in which the law is made based on what's good for all people. In the Muslim world women are really not made equal. That's really bad. But just like the money supply in America can't grow suddenly, or the interest rate, it has to change very slowly, in the Muslim world the social customs can't change rapidly, either. If we don't want to wait for them to change at their own space, there will be trouble if we interfere. And our interference will slow down the process, or even reverse it. Out of their defiance, and I should say rightful defiance.

So... if you think that our values can be enforced on a whole world, for no other reason because we want to, then we must accept the validity of a world enforcing its values on ourselves. The reciprocity of logic applies here. We can't prove we are morally superior. They can't prove they are morally superior. If we could, or they could, there would be no contention. We, and they, are both equally as sure of our or their, respectively, righteousness.

We must accept that on a logical basis. On a moral basis, we don't have to, or on a political basis.

I am on the side of logic. I am not on the side of Israel. Not on the side of the Muslims. Not on the side of democracy. I have been cursed to be on the side of logic, from birth on.

be honest with ya, i dont care what they do over there... i dont want them doing it over here...

mighty moe you need to read my post about the islamic centre. we seem to have a simillar view....why is everyone surprised that a radical mass murdering regime stoned two people to death?? We are talking about people who will wear a dynamite vest...walk in to a crowded area and click the boom stick....do I need to go on?? Public execution has always been their forte....What are we over there for people???? Yes this is a U.S affair, and yes I'm a Canadian, but we are both fighting and dying for our western way of life. This is much bigger then just the U.S......If the U.S falls...thats a direct front against Canada...If Canada falls...that's a direct front on the U.S!! I will give my life twice before I let that happen.

i'm so suprised at the attitude some americans have that it's nothing to worry about. oh, they are peace loving, i know a few. BS. if everyone has that attitude, then these muslim pricks already won.

i'm so suprised at the attitude some americans have that it's nothing to worry about. oh, they are peace loving, i know a few. BS. if everyone has that attitude, then these muslim pricks already won.

probably the same thing muslim extremists think about america and its policies,,,,so I guess the circle of violence will continue because apparently noone is big enough to encourage and promote ending it,,

Yup.

probably the same thing muslim extremists think about america and its policies,,,,so I guess the circle of violence will continue because apparently noone is big enough to encourage and promote ending it,,

your barking up the wrong tree there, darlin... i don't encourage people to strap bombs on their azzes and blow other people up...

your barking up the wrong tree there, darlin... i don't encourage people to strap bombs on their azzes and blow other people up...

The women, they bury up to their necks.

The men get buried up to their waists.

If, either are able to dig themselves out and get away, they are allowed to live.

They don't always follow the rules.

One lady i read about managed to get herself out. She was running down the street with one eye hanging from the socket.

They caught up with her and held her down wile the crowd finished her off.

I surely don't see Muslims as good neighbors or friends.