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Topic: More Br'O'ken Promises ...
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Tue 07/27/10 05:15 PM
Yeah yeah yeah ... it just keeps on gettin' deeper and deeper ... and still the 'True Believer' types continue to cut the boy slack ... which is okay, 'cuz the noose is gonna tighten around their neck just like it will everyone else's, but I'd like to think I'll get to see it tighten around THEIRS before it tightens around MINE ... I wanna go out with my signature cynical smile on my face, seemsayin' ...

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http://www.atr.org/gibbs-misleads-public-obamas-broken-tax-a5256#

Gibbs Misleads Public on Obama’s Broken Tax Pledge

From John Kartch on Tuesday, July 27, 2010 6:35 PM

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs seems to have forgotten that his boss has already broken his central campaign promise – a “firm pledge” that “no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.”

Responding to a question during his daily press briefing today, Gibbs said, “The President believes raising taxes on the middle class during this economic time would not make a lot of economic sense.” 

But President Obama has already broken his “firm pledge” at least eight times:

1.  Federal Tobacco Tax Hike:  On Feb. 4, 2009, just sixteen days into his presidency, Obama signed into law a 156 percent increase in the federal excise tax on tobacco– a hike of 62 cents per pack.  The median income of smokers is just over $36,000. 

When the tax took effect on April 1, 2009, White House spokesman Reid Cherlin tried to pull a fast one on Associated Press reporter Calvin Woodward.  Cherlin falsely claimed Obama’s tax pledge applied only to “income or payroll taxes”.  Cherlin said: "The president's position throughout the campaign was that he would not raise income or payroll taxes on families making less than $250,000, and that's a promise he has kept."  Woodward rightly wasn’t buying it (PROMISES, PROMISES:  Obama Tax Pledge Up In Smoke).

Tax Increases on families making less than $250,000 didn’t stop with tobacco.  Obama’s signature on the healthcare reform bill made possible the following tax increasesnone of which exempt families making less than $250,000:

2.  The Tax on Indoor Tanning Services took effect July 1, 2010:  This provision of Obamacare imposes a new 10 percent excise tax on Americans using indoor tanning salons.  The tax was tucked into the bill behind closed doors at the last minute, replacing the previous “Bo-Tax” – a proposed tax on plastic surgery.  The 30 million Americans who visit tanning facilities are getting a lesson in the petty, nanny-state nature of Obamacare – every time they walk through the door.  Not to mention the business owners and employees who are threatened by the tax. 

3.  The “Medicine Cabinet Tax” takes effect Jan. 1, 2011: Thanks to Obamacare, Americans will no longer be able to use health savings account (HSA), flexible spending account (FSA), or health reimbursement (HRA) pre-tax dollars to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medicines (except insulin).

4. The HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike takes effect Jan. 1, 2011: This provision of Obamacare increases the additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10 to 20 percent, disadvantaging them relative to IRAs and other tax-advantaged accounts, which remain at 10 percent.

5. The“Special Needs Kids Tax” takes effect Jan. 1, 2013:  This provision of Obamacare imposes a cap on flexible spending accounts (FSAs) of $2500 (Currently, there is no federal government limit).  There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children.  There are thousands of families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education.  Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington, D.C. (National Child Research Center) can easily exceed $14,000 per year.  Under tax rules, FSA dollars can be used to pay for this type of special needs education. 

6. The Obamacare Medical Prosthetics and Devices Tax takes effect in January of 2013: This Obamacare tax raises the price of all medical prosthetic devices, such as pacemakers and artificial limbs. Consumers of these devices will end up paying more for these life-saving items. 

7. The Medical Itemized Deductions Cap takes effect Jan. 1, 2013:  Currently, those facing high medical expenses are allowed a deduction if the total cost if the expenses reduces the filer’s income by 7.5%.  This provision of Obamacare imposes a threshold of 10%.  This new tax will most adversely affect early retirees and the catastrophically ill. 

8. The Obamacare Individual Mandate Excise Tax takes effect Jan. 1, 2014: Anyone not buying “qualifying” health insurance must pay an income surtax according to the higher of the following (page 71 of manager’s amendment updates Reid bill).


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Enjoy the ride, chumps and chumpettes ...

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Tue 07/27/10 05:18 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 07/27/10 05:19 PM
no chump here, as I never thought the President would condone DISCRIMINATING across the board against people in a certain bracket(as would certainly be the indication if they somehow started requiring income verification to decide what TAX people pay on their cigarettes)


I only figured the taxes he referred to were the types that are actually INCOME based to begin with,,,, not personal purchases and investments,,,

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Tue 07/27/10 05:28 PM
Too late for weasel-words and crawfishin' out now ... 'Hope' and 'Change' ...

I hope it bites everyone who voted for Obama directly in their asss.

mightymoe's photo
Tue 07/27/10 05:29 PM
gotta get some money to replace the trillions he alredy spent. i didn't think that he wouldn't raise taxes somehow.

msharmony's photo
Tue 07/27/10 05:32 PM

gotta get some money to replace the trillions he alredy spent. i didn't think that he wouldn't raise taxes somehow.


interesting trivia, has there been ANY president under which NO Tax ever rose,,

taxes americans pay (from http://zatavu.blogspot.com/2006/05/list-of-taxes-we-pay_10.html)


Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
Capital Gains Tax
CDL License Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Court Fines (indirect taxes)
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Interest Expense (tax on the money)
Inventory Tax I
RS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Local Income Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Road Toll Booth Taxes
Road Usage Taxes (truckers)
Sales Taxes
School Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Nonrecurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Toll Bridge Taxes Toll
Tunnel Taxes
Trailer Registration
Tax Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers’ Compensation Tax


was there a president all powerful enough to make sure NONE of them rose, or any Americans neurotic enough to believe a President could?


nah, Im pretty confident that the logical explanation of his statement referred to income based taxes and Im pretty sure he will do as much as in his power to keep his 'promise'

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Tue 07/27/10 05:35 PM
Edited by Kings_Knight on Tue 07/27/10 05:36 PM
Not a legitimate comparison. We haven't had an outright COMMUNIST for a president before ...

Socialists, yeah - Communists, no ... he's the first. So much for crawfishin' and weasel-words ...

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Tue 07/27/10 05:41 PM

Not a legitimate comparison. We haven't had an outright COMMUNIST for a president before ...

Socialists, yeah - Communists, no ... he's the first. So much for crawfishin' and weasel-words ...



where was the comparison? I asked a question about the reality of a President keeping all taxes down and the sanity of anyone believing one could,,,

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Tue 07/27/10 06:18 PM


gotta get some money to replace the trillions he alredy spent. i didn't think that he wouldn't raise taxes somehow.


interesting trivia, has there been ANY president under which NO Tax ever rose,,

taxes americans pay (from http://zatavu.blogspot.com/2006/05/list-of-taxes-we-pay_10.html)


Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
Capital Gains Tax
CDL License Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Court Fines (indirect taxes)
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Interest Expense (tax on the money)
Inventory Tax I
RS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Local Income Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Road Toll Booth Taxes
Road Usage Taxes (truckers)
Sales Taxes
School Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Nonrecurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Toll Bridge Taxes Toll
Tunnel Taxes
Trailer Registration
Tax Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers’ Compensation Tax


was there a president all powerful enough to make sure NONE of them rose, or any Americans neurotic enough to believe a President could?


nah, Im pretty confident that the logical explanation of his statement referred to income based taxes and Im pretty sure he will do as much as in his power to keep his 'promise'
Most of those taxes can be done away with as they are not necessary.

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Tue 07/27/10 06:20 PM
most and necessary are pretty subjective terms in these threads

wux's photo
Tue 07/27/10 06:27 PM

Road Usage Taxes (truckers)
Sales Taxes
School Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
State Income Tax


Septic Permit Tax, yay!!

My cousin's tv repairman forgot to pay it one month... his poor family, they were not allowed to **** for a whole month.

msharmony's photo
Tue 07/27/10 06:30 PM


Road Usage Taxes (truckers)
Sales Taxes
School Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
State Income Tax


Septic Permit Tax, yay!!

My cousin's tv repairman forgot to pay it one month... his poor family, they were not allowed to **** for a whole month.


hey, it could be like britain , we could pay tax to watch television,,,,,oh the revenue that could generate,,,,

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Tue 07/27/10 06:39 PM
There are literally hundreds of types of taxes left off the list.

Electricians' licence tax
Mechanic's licence tax
Teacher's certificate licence tax
Doctors' revolving professional tax to operate as a physician
Taxable income figure-outers income tax
Tax avoidance penalty tax
Filing late income tax return penalty tax
Shoelace tax

...

There are three things that have never been taxed in America in her entire history:

Illegal drugs retail tax
Political Debate tax
Sadistical statistical pay-as-you-go user-fee tax per individual lies

msharmony's photo
Tue 07/27/10 06:40 PM

There are literally hundreds of types of taxes left off the list.

Electricians' licence tax
Mechanic's licence tax
Teacher's certificate licence tax
Doctors' revolving professional tax to operate as a physician
Taxable income figure-outers income tax
Tax avoidance penalty tax
Filing late income tax return penalty tax
Shoelace tax

...

There are three things that have never been taxed in America in her entire history:

Illegal drugs retail tax
Political Debate tax
Sadistical statistical pay-as-you-go user-fee tax per individual lies



more great ideas for increasing revenue,,lol

it gets MY vote

Lpdon's photo
Tue 07/27/10 06:55 PM



Road Usage Taxes (truckers)
Sales Taxes
School Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
State Income Tax


Septic Permit Tax, yay!!

My cousin's tv repairman forgot to pay it one month... his poor family, they were not allowed to **** for a whole month.


hey, it could be like britain , we could pay tax to watch television,,,,,oh the revenue that could generate,,,,


Don't even say that outloud, Obama, Reid and Pelosi would get a stiffy just thinking about it.

msharmony's photo
Tue 07/27/10 06:56 PM




Road Usage Taxes (truckers)
Sales Taxes
School Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
State Income Tax


Septic Permit Tax, yay!!

My cousin's tv repairman forgot to pay it one month... his poor family, they were not allowed to **** for a whole month.


hey, it could be like britain , we could pay tax to watch television,,,,,oh the revenue that could generate,,,,


Don't even say that outloud, Obama, Reid and Pelosi would get a stiffy just thinking about it.



I quite liked Brittain actually,,

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Tue 07/27/10 07:07 PM

Not a legitimate comparison. We haven't had an outright COMMUNIST for a president before ...

Socialists, yeah - Communists, no ... he's the first. So much for crawfishin' and weasel-words ...



FDR and Wilson were pretty close, bro. :wink:

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Tue 07/27/10 07:20 PM


Not a legitimate comparison. We haven't had an outright COMMUNIST for a president before ...

Socialists, yeah - Communists, no ... he's the first. So much for crawfishin' and weasel-words ...



FDR and Wilson were pretty close, bro. :wink:


i always herd they some of the better presidents...can you elaborate?

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Tue 07/27/10 07:43 PM
add to the broken promise the following:

cspan coverage of healthcare
public comment before signing bills
public option health plan
reduce earmarks
fiscal responsibility without increasing deficit


I wasnt expecting him to live up to a level of perfection that noone else can,,,but what he HAS kept his promises about:

establish credit card bill of rights

direct leaders to end Iraq war and send additional troops to Afghanistan

Stand down nuclear forces to be reduced under the Moscow Treaty

increase research and development in clean coal technology

expand pell grants and recruit science and math grads into teaching

restore funding to EEOC

establish promise neighborhoods

Rebuilding New Orleans schools and rebuild the law enforcement infrastructure

create financial regulations

sign universal healthcare

...theres more, but these are the ones I am personally pleased with,,,

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Tue 07/27/10 07:57 PM
To get back on track and away from the weasel-word crawfishin, this is about OBAMA's TAXES and HIS BROKEN PROMISES ... try all you want to deflect it, but THAT's what it's about - HE's the one ruining this nation with his COMMUNIST COMMAND-AND-CONTROL 'economy' ...

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Tue 07/27/10 07:58 PM

To get back on track and away from the weasel-word crawfishin, this is about OBAMA's TAXES and HIS BROKEN PROMISES ... try all you want to deflect it, but THAT's what it's about - HE's the one ruining this nation with his COMMUNIST COMMAND-AND-CONTROL 'economy' ...



not a deflection, I posted some broken promises of my own , I just INCLUDED several promises kept,,, its a BALANCE thing,,,

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