It's all good knox! Gotta go!

"Knoxman - I agree with you that Armydoc does a good job of making his
points in a reasonable way. Your 'criticism' of Zap reads like a
red-faced, spit-flying rant to me. I think your feedback would be more
effectively delivered if you also followed Armydoc's example."

Oh, like this example from Armydoc?

http://www.justsayhi.com/topic/show/27892

"democrats arent people, satan incarnate"

See guys, the funny thing about hardline extremists? The mask always
slips, one only need to not be blinking when they revert to form-- that
form being their total contempt for any political process occurring
outside their monoculture.



-Kerry O.

sooooo..we're in agreement? ...that all the games out of washington
these days is about centralizing power that in the extreme during a
"declared" emergency could result in a dictatorship?...and / or martial
law...

please avoid the conspiracy theory responses..it is getting
waaaaay old...

satan incarnate!

there is no mask here kerri, i think that the deomcrat party over the
last 20 years has done more to help along the US towards its own demise,
and hides under the 'freedoms' granted in the constitution to do so,,,
do you think that political correctness was a republican idea?

i know that you dont like republicans, much in the same way i cant stand
democrats- that is not to say that there arent good points somewhere
hidden in each side.

oh by the way, im no extremist- gay marriage, pro choice just to name a
couple of 'dem' stances that i do agree with(politically).
but its the large governmwent and fiscal irresponsibility and other
social agenda's like the redistribution of wealth that the dems advocate
that i do not and can not get behind- so does that make me an extremist
cause im not 50% lock step with your views?

dont be a hillary or a nancy or hell a dianne, there are some good
female dems you could model yourself after


got to run, got to spend some waning hours with some one more important.

doc

Republican, democrat, what's the difference?
A sack of **** is still the same no matter what the wrapper looks
like.

Amen kid! You can't trust a car salesman and you can't trust a
politition of any party


PS I know I spelled that word wrong, but my spell check keeps giving me
diffy words than I want, and I don't own a dictionary lol.

Bravo Bill! Bravo. Parry, thrust.

Why would you feel that would be classified as conspiracy? I feel that
the government is looking to protect the country and in the event that
the population goes nuts more than it already has, martial law would
definitely be an exercisable option but it is not a stretch to imagine a
coup that would install a dictator. It's happened. Ask Fidel.
Sounds like a new game show. It's time for Ask Fidel!

Wake up and smell the country burning people. How can we defeat a
foreign enemy, when we can't even deal, domestically, with evil men in
high places within our own government?

smo, you act as if crooked people in positions of power is something new
to you? Am I reading that correctly? Just curious.......

zap..maybe the coup has already happened..yadda yadda..

I understand well how the neocons became the source of influence on
Middle East policy in the Bush administration. I understand fairly well
the personality and cognitive weaknesses in President Bush, and how he
could be manipulated into doing the neocon bidding. The question that
was left in my mind was the role in all that of Cheney.

Within the last several weeks more and more information has been coming
to light on Cheney's role these last years, and I will post more on this
in the days to come.

At this point it seems that when Sept 11 occurred the Bush was
overwhelmed and couldn't of his own mind understand what to do. It seems
that this is the point at which Cheney essentially took over the White
House functions. He, as a classic (American) conservative was already
in sync with Karl Rove, who is in charge of domestic policy at the White
House, and would have received Rove's full support. As the guy who
masterminded Bush's electoral strategy, Bush was unusually dependent on
Rove, especially before the 2004 and 2006 elections.

I am still trying to learn more about the Cheney-neocon axis.

Clearly, Cheney is a classical conservative. A lot of decent people are
and this of itself is not a cause for existential alarm. But Cheney
doesn't quite fit the definition of a neo-conservative. But beyond
either of those identities lies something quite unique and, in my
opinion, quite dark about Cheney. It is this that I am trying to
understand.

Keep in mind that when we use these 'conservative' and
'neo-conservative' terms that they have nothing to do ideologically with
each other. I know, the terms are confusing.

I've posted several times in these threads about what the difference is
and who the neocons are, and can repeat that if anyone would like me to.

If there is anyone pushing a dramatic expansion of the powers of the
White House and a diminution of the powers of the Congress and the
Judicial system, it is Cheney. To the extent you are concerned about a
de facto anti-democracy coup in the US, a good place to start paying
attention to is Cheney.



Oceans

Oceans ...have you seen the BBC documentary about the birth of the
Neocon movement?..
It's online at google I think...it is well worth the viewing...

cheney is no mystery, anyone paying attention to the news reports over
the last few years pretty much knows dikky C.

neocon- could someone give the term its proper definition since its
thrown around here by everybody as a slur, i doubt seriously that some
throwing the hardest even know what the freak it means.

ooops fairness doctrine


doc

funny

Thanks for the BBC reference, daVinci. Can you check this out and tell
me if this documentary is what you are thinking of?
http://www.archive.org/details/BBCBBCpresentsNeoConDocumentaryPartII

I'll check it out tomorrow and give you some feedback.


Army"doc" -- I've defined "neocon" many times in the past on several
threads, and provided goals, names, positions and actions.

Oceans

nice "touch"