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Government jobs or not I don't see how a temp job can be counted as a job. The what allmost 400,000 cenus jobs shouldn't even be counted in the report. When these positions are gone will they be counted as jobs lost? I'd be willing to bet not because they are only temp positions.
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Smoke. And. Mirrors. ...
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Well..at least we know who he's kidding now. With all due respect, he's got you completely and utterly snowed. His " plans " have had little effect. The " stimulus " has been a complete and utter failure. The bailouts for the banks...same thing. Will Obama ever realize that Government can't create jobs and that only private industry ( which Obama hates ) is the only thing that DOES create jobs?? Until he does...there will be no recovery and no " hope and change ". we can agree to disagree, I posted above the JOBS created by government. And assessment of the stimulus is subjective to what was expected and within what time frame. I dont feel kidded or snowed. He said these things would take time and I expected no less. But you fail to understand that government doesn't "create" jobs. It allocates capital from the private sector to create make-work positions. Bastiat illustrated this with his broken window fallacy, and others have elaborated on it in detail. (Mises, Rothbard, Smith, etc.) With that understanding, its probably safe to use common sense and apply the 'allocating' principle in place of the word 'create' and expect that government is talking about the same thing whichever word it chooses. I understand, from the standpoint of where the money is coming from, there is a difference between government jobs and private sector jobs, however, this does not change the impact on the economy that people being able to work, pay their bills, and purchase goods and services has. Not to mention, the ability for people to afford the education for themselves and their children to potentially have the skills to work in private sector jobs,,,,,its all linked together Not so. When government hands out money via makework jobs, welfare, etc. it creates inflation and diminishes all dollar-holder's purchasing power. Who does this hurt the most? The poor, because their dollar buys less. (who are supposedly the "beneficiaries" of welfare) On top of that, foreign dollar holders become more likely to dump their dollar holdings when inflation goes up, making the dollar worth less yet. |
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With that understanding, its probably safe to use common sense and apply the 'allocating' principle in place of the word 'create' and expect that government is talking about the same thing whichever word it chooses. I understand, from the standpoint of where the money is coming from, there is a difference between government jobs and private sector jobs, however, this does not change the impact on the economy that people being able to work, pay their bills, and purchase goods and services has. Not to mention, the ability for people to afford the education for themselves and their children to potentially have the skills to work in private sector jobs,,,,,its all linked together The fallacy in that thinking is this... How does the government PAY for those jobs?? By raising taxes to pay for them. That LESSENS people's ability to " pay their bills, purchase goods and services ". Higher taxes also will reduce a person's ability to put money away for their children's education. Higher taxes ALSO cause businesses to NOT HIRE new workers. So all those government jobs are doing more to hurt the population than it helps them. |
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With that understanding, its probably safe to use common sense and apply the 'allocating' principle in place of the word 'create' and expect that government is talking about the same thing whichever word it chooses. I understand, from the standpoint of where the money is coming from, there is a difference between government jobs and private sector jobs, however, this does not change the impact on the economy that people being able to work, pay their bills, and purchase goods and services has. Not to mention, the ability for people to afford the education for themselves and their children to potentially have the skills to work in private sector jobs,,,,,its all linked together The fallacy in that thinking is this... How does the government PAY for those jobs?? By raising taxes to pay for them. That LESSENS people's ability to " pay their bills, purchase goods and services ". Higher taxes also will reduce a person's ability to put money away for their children's education. Higher taxes ALSO cause businesses to NOT HIRE new workers. So all those government jobs are doing more to hurt the population than it helps them. Bingo!  That's what I'm tryin to say!
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With that understanding, its probably safe to use common sense and apply the 'allocating' principle in place of the word 'create' and expect that government is talking about the same thing whichever word it chooses. I understand, from the standpoint of where the money is coming from, there is a difference between government jobs and private sector jobs, however, this does not change the impact on the economy that people being able to work, pay their bills, and purchase goods and services has. Not to mention, the ability for people to afford the education for themselves and their children to potentially have the skills to work in private sector jobs,,,,,its all linked together The fallacy in that thinking is this... How does the government PAY for those jobs?? By raising taxes to pay for them. That LESSENS people's ability to " pay their bills, purchase goods and services ". Higher taxes also will reduce a person's ability to put money away for their children's education. Higher taxes ALSO cause businesses to NOT HIRE new workers. So all those government jobs are doing more to hurt the population than it helps them. Indeed, so is every government job is created is paid by the (now almost none-existing) taxpayers. That's why "big" government is so wrong on many sides, especially in the most serious economic crisis ever to hit USA (and the whole world). |
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With that understanding, its probably safe to use common sense and apply the 'allocating' principle in place of the word 'create' and expect that government is talking about the same thing whichever word it chooses. I understand, from the standpoint of where the money is coming from, there is a difference between government jobs and private sector jobs, however, this does not change the impact on the economy that people being able to work, pay their bills, and purchase goods and services has. Not to mention, the ability for people to afford the education for themselves and their children to potentially have the skills to work in private sector jobs,,,,,its all linked together The fallacy in that thinking is this... How does the government PAY for those jobs?? By raising taxes to pay for them. That LESSENS people's ability to " pay their bills, purchase goods and services ". Higher taxes also will reduce a person's ability to put money away for their children's education. Higher taxes ALSO cause businesses to NOT HIRE new workers. So all those government jobs are doing more to hurt the population than it helps them. Bingo! That's what I'm tryin to say! Unfortunately, there are just too many people who refuse to see that what Obama is doing has no chance of success. They want all the " feel good " stuff to be true, when simple economics clearly shows that it CAN'T WORK. |
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Sheeple don't do a lot of critical thinking or analysis - they DO 'feel' a lot, tho' ...
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OMG did you people complain when gas prices hit four bucks a gallon under Bush? Lets face it thats what sent the economy over the edge everyone was broke! WHen the entire auto industry shut down did you people blame Bush? You folks are not being intelectualy honest, at least Obama sees the problemb and is trying to correct it. He didnt make the problembs they were there when he was elected and thats why he was elected because the republicans dropped the ball so bad! Ok going to laugh myself to sleep. ever since cash for clunkers was such a huge succsess I have been working twelve hours for the past two weeks had one sunday and monday off for memorial and worked straight through this weekend with twelves all next week. Thank you President Obama for saveing th auto industry
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OMG did you people complain when gas prices hit four bucks a gallon under Bush? Lets face it thats what sent the economy over the edge everyone was broke! WHen the entire auto industry shut down did you people blame Bush? You folks are not being intelectualy honest, at least Obama sees the problemb and is trying to correct it. He didnt make the problembs they were there when he was elected and thats why he was elected because the republicans dropped the ball so bad! Ok going to laugh myself to sleep. ever since cash for clunkers was such a huge succsess I have been working twelve hours for the past two weeks had one sunday and monday off for memorial and worked straight through this weekend with twelves all next week. Thank you President Obama for saveing th auto industry As a matter of fact I DID " blame Bush " when the auto industry fell apart. Him and EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT who made it more profitable and a whole lot easier for industry to send jobs across the borders and overseas. I don't give a rat's azz that the " problems were there " when he got elected. The fact is IT'S HIS JOB TO FIX IT and his current policies are not going to fix anything. Thank Obama for " saving " the auto industry when the 2 million OTHER people that have been laid off from that industry are back to work. Until then, he hasn't saved a DAMN thing. |
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Bob Dylan said it best ...
"So let us not talk falsely now / The hour's getting late" ... |
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