I found another opinion in the immigration story, from actual police chiefs,,,,

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64P58T20100526?type=domesticNews

Well, gee ... isn't THAT special ... ? The fact that SIX of the EIGHT police chiefs WEREN'T from ARIZONA seems pretty relative to the point to me ... here it is from the article that could have been posted (but wasn't):

" ... The meeting between Holder and eight police chiefs came as the attorney general is weighing whether to file a legal challenge to the Arizona law, which takes effect on July 29 and would require officers to determine the immigration status of any person they suspect of being in the country illegally.

After the hour-long session, the police chiefs -- including two from Arizona -- said that while illegal immigration is a problem, the federal government should be responsible for handling it. - (And THAT, friends, is precisely WHY Arizona HAD NO CHOICE but to pass its own version of the FEDERAL law that's NOT being enforced).

"The immigration system is broken as is, so we need to work on that," Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck told reporters. ... "

Frankly, I wouldn't expect any OTHER response from a LOS ANGELES 'police chief' ... sorry, but this don't pass the 'smell test' ... it's just one more lib attempt to prevent the state of Arizona from enforcing a FEDERAL LAW that the Federal GOVERNMENT [sic] WON'T enforce, thereby making it MANDATORY for the STATE to undertake enforcement. This really is cause for impeachment, breach of contract, and malfeasance in office ... Obama, Napolitano, and Holder ... all of 'em need to be impeached and removed for ( gasp! ) ... treason.

technically would it not reduce in longterm the police agenda by the arrests they make yearly of the people living there illegally and the costs of supporting them in penal facilities. For the now, it may spread them thin, but in the eventuality they would leave for other states reducing the need to enforce this particular law?

impeachment? lol

boy that word gets tossed around in these threads alot


Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution says, "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." In his report, Independent Counsel, Starr accuses President Clinton of committing eleven acts for which he could be removed from office by impeachment. Are any of those acts "Treason, Bribery, or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors?" Well, that's up to the members of the House of Representatives.

According to Constitutional Lawyers, "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" are
(1) real criminality -- breaking a law;
(2) abuses of power;
(3) "violation of public trust" as defined by Alexander Hamilton in the Federalist Papers. In 1970, then Representative Gerald R. Ford defined impeachable offenses as "whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history." An excellent definition, Mr. Former President. In the past, Congress has issued Articles of Impeachment for acts in three general categories:

Exceeding the constitutional bounds of the powers of the office.

Behavior grossly incompatible with the proper function and purpose of the office.

Employing the power of the office for an improper purpose or for personal gain.


,,,just some information for those who are in love with the word,,,

I suppose if sending troops in too fast is not impeachable(Bush), not sending adequate reniforcements to the borders fast enough (OBama)probably isnt either.....

but then, hypocrisy and double standards are as much a part of politics as adultery(google adulterous politicians and match the names to those who sought to impeach Clinton)

and backroom deals(look up names of politicians SUSPECTED of being involved in backroom deals, and match their names with those accusing OBama of such behavior).....


so who knows

"High Crimes and Misdemeanors' ALSO includes Emanuel and 'The ONE' offering Joe SESTAK a high position in the White House IF he pulled out of the race against Arlen Spectre ... deal with THAT one ... This 'administration' is positively the most corrupt in American history. And all those other definitions also fit the crowd currently enjoying power ... but it won't be for long. You still haven't addressed the original point of the response, tho' ... nice try at spin. Your post, if you recall, was about the SIX 'police chiefs' who didn't like the AZ law ...

But the two AZ officers also stated the same concern,, apparently.
I posted that this was a different view from actual law enforcement,,what part of that statement was inaccurate exactly?

As soon as there is proof of this offer being FROM OBAMA, and that it was indeed in RETURN for pulling out of the race(and not just mentioned that he would indeed need to drop out of the race to accept such a position),,,,,I would be all aboard a review of the evidence,,,

Always lookin' for that 'sure thing' ... Since Holder has ALREADY SAID he's not gonna investigate this matter, we'll just have to wait 'til there are enough CONSERVATIVES (no, NOT 'republicans') to FORCE an investigation of this matter ... it may not happen now, but it WILL happen.

Does the new concentration on this topic mean you've abandoned the subject of the original post?

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Arizona's controversial new immigration law will strain police ties to the community, sap limited law enforcement resources and could lead to an increase in crime, a group of police chiefs told U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder on Wednesday.It's probably less than 3 minutes to verify Immigration status. I see cops crusin, parked doing radar traps, suttin' side by side BSin'. They will stop to harass or run off some homeless folks, pull you over with a lame excuse just to check you out. Many will avoid anything that might be a little risky. Like in LA, cops only go into Watts in droves. Any who don't want to enforce the Law can be replaced easily enough.
Oh, you'll find 'em at the doughnut shop drinking free coffee.



The meeting between Holder and eight police chiefs came as the attorney general is weighing whether to file a legal challenge to the Arizona law, which takes effect on July 29 and would require officers to determine the immigration status of any person they suspect of being in the country illegally.What's to challenge? It's pretty much the same as Federal Law

The Arizona law seeks to drive illegal immigrants from the desert state, the principal corridor for unauthorized migrants entering the country from Mexico, and a busy entry point for Mexican cartels smuggling drugs to a voracious U.S. market.And Holder thinks that's a bad thing?

Critics argue the law is unconstitutional and a mandate for racial profiling.Again, what's the difference from Federal Law?

After the hour-long session, the police chiefs -- including two from Arizona -- said that while illegal immigration is a problem, the federal government should be responsible for handling it.The Feds are irresponsible when it comes to enforcing Immigration Law

"The immigration system is brokenBunches-of-BS! That's a La Raza parrot act. The only thing that might need to change is, adding a seasonal workers program. Canada uses Jamaicans that they fly in. After 6 months, they rotate them for another group. (Spread the wealth.)

Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck told reporters, adding that "local law enforcement is not the solution to this system."If he knew, and probably does, it's his obligation to work with Federal Authorities Enforcing Immigration Laws and visa-versa. He thinks we're stupid.

The meeting came a day after President Barack Obama said he would send up to 1,200 National Guard troops to the U.S. border with Mexico and he tried to sway Senate Republicans to join his effort to craft federal immigration reform legislation.{b]Hussein has worn out his checks in the mail routine. We've all caught on, already! Listen up ya' America hatin' sumbeach! We don't want none ya' ignorant Amnesty to those Illegal Invaders. Send 'em all home and let in honest, Legal Immigrants, ya' paid-off bag-o-maggots. It's your job to protect us, not the Illegals and Terrorists! Here's yer salute!

Republicans have insisted that border security be bolstered first before deciding how to deal with the roughly 12 million illegal immigrants in the United States.Those are the Rebubs that need to be relied of their careers.Hint, hint, ya' DA's, most of us can actually chew bubble gum and walk at the same time. Both can be done at the same time. UH, DUH!! Again, a couple years ago that number was around 20 Million. If MegaSuckMindfck keeps going, soon there will be no Illegals. I would safely estimate there to be closer to 25 to 30 million here with more crossing every day. Again, those polifriginticians think Americans are stupid and can't do the math.

TOUGH POLITICAL BATTLE

Tucson police chief Roberto Villasenor told reporters the Arizona law could reverse recent declines in violent and property crimes.It can also, free up affordable housing, jobs, emergency room waits, taxpayers pockets and even draw good, honest people to the area.]

"When you enact legislation that makes any subset of that community feel like they are being targeted specifically or have concerns about coming forward and talking to police, that damages our capability to obtain information to solve the crimes," Villasenor said.In high crime areas, people are afraid to talk with police anyway. Illegals not being there wouldn't make any difference other than crime just might decrease.
I say, if the Illegal that has nor criminal record be deported but, given a letter of recommendation to add to his Immigration Application.

He said requiring officers to verify the immigration status of all arrested individuals would sap their limited resources.That's an excuse for cops that just wanna' slide through their careers. 3 minutes to verify status.

"We are stretched very thin right now and it's getting nothing but worse in our communities in terms of the budget crises," said John Harris, president of the Arizona Association of Chiefs of Police. "We don't have enough resources to continue to do this and to take on another responsibility." Blah, diggity, blah, blah. Mo' BS.

The police chiefs said Holder gave them no specific time frame.Maybe cuz he ain't got a friggin case!!

The immigration issue is setting up a tough political battle before the November congressional elections.We will see who to vote for by the way they lean on protecting us and our country

A poll by NBC, MSNBC and Telemundo released on Wednesday found that Republican candidates stand to gain by making the Arizona immigration law a political issue in the campaign.Again, UH, DUH, DUMBA$$ES!
BTW, all Spanish speaking news channels have been bashing citizens who are Pro-Legal Immigrant

Forty percent of registered voters said they would side with a Republican congressional candidate who supported the state law. Just 26 percent said they would back a Democratic candidate who opposed it.None of those 66% were Illegal Aliens. Go figger!

That's my opinion and thanks for allowing me to vent.

it wasnt concentraion it was RESPONSE to your posts,,,,my OP stands as far as offering another point of view to the illegal immigration discussion,,,

I respect both sides of the argument. I was just offering a post for those open minded enough to try to respect them too.

Its kind of a situation where a school has suffered an overwhelming percentage of unruly children. If the governments response was to require the TEACHERS to start disciplining(a parents job) I am sure many of them wouldnt think it quite a great idea,, even if the need for DISCIPILNE itself could not be debated . Its the MEANS to the ends people are disagreeing with,, not the ends...