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The answer, of course, is complex. This is but a tiny slice of that conversation, but I think its an important slice.
Study finds that effects of low-quality child care last into adolescence By Rob Stein Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, May 14, 2010 Low-quality care in the first few years of life can have a small but long-lasting impact on a child's learning and behavior, according to new results from the largest, most authoritative assessment of child rearing in the United States. The federally funded study, which has been tracking more than 1,300 children since 1991, found that obedience and academic problems among those who received low-quality care in their first 4 1/2 years of life persisted through their 15th birthdays, suggesting the potential for lifelong difficulties. The differences between teens who received low- and high-quality care when they were very young were relatively small, and the endurance of these disparities startled researchers. "The fact that you have this persistent association is pretty remarkable," said James A. Griffin of the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development, which is funding the research being reported Friday in the May-June issue of the journal Child Development. Several experts praised the findings, saying they underscore the urgent need for local, state and federal governments, employers and others to improve access to high-quality child care. "I think it is shocking that we don't have a much higher proportion of our children . . . in excellent, quality child care," said Sharon Landesman Ramey, director of the Georgetown University Center on Health and Education. For the study, which began in 1991 amid growing concerns about the effects of parents' increasing reliance on outside child care, researchers in Arkansas, California, Kansas, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Washington and Wisconsin followed 1,364 infants of various ethnicities, races and socioeconomic backgrounds. The researchers collected detailed information about the type and quality of care the children were receiving through age 4 1/2 , including whether their custodians were parents, other relatives, nannies, babysitters or day-care centers in or outside a home, as well as the number of hours of which kind of care each child received. The subjects underwent tests assessing their academic and cognitive skills, and parents and teachers answered questionnaires about each child's behavior. The quality was assessed based on observations of a host of factors, including the caregivers' warmth, sensitivity, emotional support and how much cognitive stimulation they provided. The researchers previously reported that toddlers who received higher-quality care had fewer behavior problems than those receiving lower-quality care. The type of care, whether it was inside or outside the home, did not seem to matter, although day-care centers appeared to be related to more acting out among first- and third-graders. Kids who received high-quality care scored better on tests measuring math, reading and other cognitive skills throughout elementary school. Researchers had speculated that the negative effects of lower-quality care would disappear as the influence of other factors, such as peers, teachers and maturation, overcame the early childhood experience. But in the latest analysis of the data, they discovered that teenagers who had received higher-quality child care were less likely to report engaging in problem behaviors such as arguing, being mean to others and getting into fights. Those who spent more hours in child care of any kind were more likely to engage in impulsive and risky behaviors. And those who received moderately high- or high-quality care scored higher on tests gauging cognitive and academic achievement. "What was the surprise for us was that the effects at age 15 were the same size as we had seen in elementary school and just prior to school entry," said Deborah Lowe Vandell of the University of California at Irvine, who led the analysis. The researchers stressed that the benefits of higher-quality care were modest -- a difference of just a few points on standardized tests measuring reading, math, memory and other cognitive abilities, and self-reports of behavioral problems. Other factors, such as the influence of parents and family members, were clearly more important. However, the findings held true even after the researchers took those and other factors into account. The researchers plan to continue following the children. "The likelihood is these can affect children throughout their lives, and not just low-income children," said Ellen Galinsky, president of the Families and Work Institute, a nonprofit research center. |
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The first step to making the world a better place is to honestly and intelligently look at why it is how it is.
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There are, of course, many reasons for poverty. I was reading about India some months ago and how the birth rate has dropped in the south. The northern parts of India still have huge birth rates and poverty to match. The south has become educated and industrialized and have reduced population growth tremendously.
The concept being presented was one of parental attitude. If one believes that the future consists of bearing children to support you, the urge to have children is high. Education has no apparent value. Having and feeding children consumes all of one's time and abilities. If one compares India's history to Mexico, one sees the exact same attitudes in place. Mexico, rich in oil, has the ability to turn into a modern educated country but, instead, mass produces poverty stricken citizens that want to leave to have a better life. Many of the illegal immigrants that come to the US send money home to support the parents reinforcing a bad system. IMO, the biggest cause of poverty is overpopulation caused by uneducated parents looking to the children as a form of social security. |
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interesting theories, but doesnt explain US poverty where there are only an average of between 1 and 3 children per family. This is much lower than in more 'prosperous' times or times when the middle class was growing,,,,
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It is an interesting theory, just another theory. It can't explain how siblings raised in the same home in the same manner grow to live opposite lives...one educated and financially stable, the other uneducated and poor.
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Edited by
msharmony
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Fri 05/14/10 07:36 AM
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It is an interesting theory, just another theory. It can't explain how siblings raised in the same home in the same manner grow to live opposite lives...one educated and financially stable, the other uneducated and poor. or why so many bum holes(who probably were kids who acted out) are amongst the wealthy and 'successful' and so many mannerable, capable, intelligent people still struggle |
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The Number One reason for poverty is lack of money ...
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The Number One reason for poverty is lack of money ... lol,,,,true |
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Edited by
willing2
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Fri 05/14/10 08:05 AM
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Back when, welfare made it possible for folk to be career welfare generations. All a woman had to do was keep pumpin' out kids and on and on and on. By the time it was too late, they didn't know and didn't care to learn how to get a different career. Welfare money was easy money.
Ever watch Precious? She is like millions of poor kids Only, she made it out of that rut. Millions don't. They repeat what they were taught. Parents. Quit teaching your 13 year old it's ok to dress like a streetwalker and using makeup. Allowing is teaching. Make 'em stay kids until they learn how to be responsible young adults. I talked with my 13 yr old step-daughter about sex and she,(whew!!}, said she was scared to have sex. I also used the example of the Muslim killing his 13 yr old wife and how he did it. Hopefully, that put a little more fear of sex into her! I did include; When a young woman is physically matured enough their internal walls are stronger. That way, she won't have a life-long fear of sex. And yes, her mama was there slappin' the kid upside the head with her Bible. |
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Back when, welfare made it possible for folk to be career welfare generations. All a woman had to do was keep pumpin' out kids and on and on and on. By the time it was too late, they didn't know and didn't care to learn how to get a different career. Welfare money was easy money. Ever watch Precious? She is like millions of poor kids Only, she made it out of that rut. Millions don't. They repeat what they were taught. A huge generalization willing...that's like saying a child who is beaten will also beat their own children. Children ONLY repeat the behaviors of their parents to a point..then they think for themselves. Besides..isn't, hasn't it always been God's will to reproduce, replenish the earth and bring all these little bastards to the planet??? God wills it! |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Fri 05/14/10 08:12 AM
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another factor, but welfare is really not much of an issue now as so many people are amongst the WORKING poor
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another factor, but doesnt explain the correlation between the mere 13 percent of the population receiving assistance and the 28 percent who are working and still in poverty,,,, exactly..that's why these studies can only be as trusted as far as we can throw them, their only paper. Just another way to justify the labeling of others, making everyone a statistic. Such studies make it easier to judge others. Why are there some who believe 9-11 was an inside job and those who find that theory ridiculous? It's just the way life is perceived. |
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A huge generalization willing...that's like saying a child who is beaten will also beat their own children. Children ONLY repeat the behaviors of their parents to a point..then they think for themselves. Have you ever been to Compton or Watts? If you make it to Watts, go down Cherry Street. How about Hill Top, Tacoma? Or even the high rise projects in NO? I know all those places and no, it's not a big generalization. Kids who were beaten and/or abused always have the potential to repeat. It takes a lot of outside help and self restraint to not repeat what you see and live. Ever been beat as a kid? Not talkin' about just once or twice. Talkin' about so much, as a young adult, you cower and throw up your hands every time someone makes an unexpected move? |
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I am sure they didn't randomly assign children to low and high-quality childcare. So, my assumption would be that childcare quality wasn't the only fact in play here! I would need to know the statistical analysis they performed in order to determine if their correlations are correct.
For those who don't know stats, basically, there are a lot of other things..... household income, school district (once in school), peers, extracuriclar activities, number of siblings, etc. |
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A huge generalization willing...that's like saying a child who is beaten will also beat their own children. Children ONLY repeat the behaviors of their parents to a point..then they think for themselves. Have you ever been to Compton or Watts? If you make it to Watts, go down Cherry Street. How about Hill Top, Tacoma? Or even the high rise projects in NO? I know all those places and no, it's not a big generalization. Kids who were beaten and/or abused always have the potential to repeat. It takes a lot of outside help and self restraint to not repeat what you see and live. Ever been beat as a kid? Not talkin' about just once or twice. Talkin' about so much, as a young adult, you cower and throw up your hands every time someone makes an unexpected move? Um, yeah it is a big generalization willing..we all have the potential for violence. And I am from the same generation you are from where it was acceptable to beat your wife and kids. I DO NOT hit my children, as everyone knows as it has been debated 1,000 times here. I also grew up with wealthy parents, yet am one of the 28% of the working poor....so these studies and statistics are irrelevant and hold no water with me. Anyone can change their circumstances, blame their parents or environments. Statistically my sons should be dead or in prison....they are not either. They work, they are productive, they are happy. We really threw a monkey wrench in that study! God wills it!! |
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Well, in the US it is probably due to the fact that minimum wage has not even remotely kept up with inflation!
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Edited by
msharmony
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Fri 05/14/10 08:51 AM
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Well, in the US it is probably due to the fact that minimum wage has not even remotely kept up with inflation! neither have wages in general,,,,, another factor that seems quite logical and obvious... |
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Back when, welfare made it possible for folk to be career welfare generations. All a woman had to do was keep pumpin' out kids and on and on and on. By the time it was too late, they didn't know and didn't care to learn how to get a different career. Welfare money was easy money. Ever watch Precious? She is like millions of poor kids Only, she made it out of that rut. Millions don't. They repeat what they were taught. A huge generalization willing...that's like saying a child who is beaten will also beat their own children. Children ONLY repeat the behaviors of their parents to a point..then they think for themselves. Besides..isn't, hasn't it always been God's will to reproduce, replenish the earth and bring all these little bastards to the planet??? God wills it! The word "replenish" means to reproduce what is necessary; as in a body's ability to replenish cells that were damaged in a paper cut. To reproduce without control and to the detriment to all is the definition of cancer. |
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As both Massage and I have said, the reasons are complex. Any given person in any given country can be in poverty for any number of reasons. In the US, the cause of poverty is usually caused by lack of education.
The cultural reasons for poverty I gave earlier affect over 1/3 of the world's population. Other reasons affect different people for different reasons. Here is a "politically Incorrect" reason as described on the Education Resource Information Center website. People classified as "cultural familial retarded" form a segment of the U.S. population that is easily overlooked by society, yet constitutes a growing problem. Individuals with this inherited form of mental retardation (estimated to number in excess of 5 million) are reared in a culturally inferior milieu and have a need for life-long social support. The cultural familial retarded have no advocates to spontaneously champion their cause as other handicapping conditions do. This segment of the population is growing at a rate three to four times as fast as the general population. A three-point plan is proposed: (1) Government must become advocates of the cultural familial retarded, and must recognize them as individuals who are permanently locked in the grip of poverty and intellectual inability. (2) Society must come to grips with the uncomfortable topic of birth control in situations where the procreators are intellectually incapable of making rational decisions which are in their best interests and in the best interest of society. (3) New focus should be given to counseling the cultural familial retarded to help them fend better in society and to help them delay, control, and terminate the procreative process to achieve a more manageable family situation. (JDD) |
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Back when, welfare made it possible for folk to be career welfare generations. All a woman had to do was keep pumpin' out kids and on and on and on. By the time it was too late, they didn't know and didn't care to learn how to get a different career. Welfare money was easy money. Ever watch Precious? She is like millions of poor kids Only, she made it out of that rut. Millions don't. They repeat what they were taught. A huge generalization willing...that's like saying a child who is beaten will also beat their own children. Children ONLY repeat the behaviors of their parents to a point..then they think for themselves. Besides..isn't, hasn't it always been God's will to reproduce, replenish the earth and bring all these little bastards to the planet??? God wills it! The word "replenish" means to reproduce what is necessary; as in a body's ability to replenish cells that were damaged in a paper cut. To reproduce without control and to the detriment to all is the definition of cancer. The word replenish is subjective...as is everything. |
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