Where did you get these laws? About signing for ammo when you buy it and it's a federal crime on "not trackable" ammo??

Those laws must be TEXAS Laws because that's sure not the way it is here in AZ!!

I could go out right now and buy 10,000 rounds of 7.62 ammo, no questions asked!

We are allowed to drink here in AZ. I hear you outlawed that in many counties in Texas as well.

How come nobody is screaming about that in Texas? Isn't that a violation of your Constitutional rights?

Considering that too many lunies have guns now and I am not just talking about criminals, our everyday "think they are perfectly gun toting normal", have guns and shouldn't have them at all.

We need more restrictions on guns, all guns. If you cannot pass a psyche eval you shouldn't be allowed to own one and I know this is really not good enough but it is all we have to prevent the lunatics with guns from killing all those without.

If someone wants a gun because they are crazy or they want to commit a crime, they will get one. They won't follow the laws to get one. The bad guys can get them all the time illegally.

but at least there is some way to prosecute them when they are caught as opposed to them hiding behind some fundamental 'right'

The honest people go about it legally. It's the ones that aren't honest and probably up to something that do it illegally. Those that go about it illegally do get prosecuted.

Guns aren't the only way to kill people. Even if they destroyed all of the guns in the world....people will find other ways without them.

I agree, but if it were an ABSOLUTE 'right' there would be no situation in which it was illegal,,,,,


the regulations have substance and significance,,,

What I am saying is that there are laws to own guns now. Either people will follow the laws now or break them. People that don't want to go about it legally will find a way around the law. So adding more restrictions or whatever won't do any good. Those that don't like the law, won't follow it any way.

oh,, no no no no, ,I wasnt advocating for more or fewer gun laws,

I was only posting about the notion that gun regulations violate a constitutional right,,,or that those who are upheld to those regulations should have empathy on some constitutional basis

I didn't say it did (I don't think )

I just don't see more or less gun laws and restrictions changing anything. All I'm saying

I agree. I felt the op was suggesting that upholding gun regulations should be seen as impending doom to constitutional rights,,,

I think we are on the same page. You just made me have to go back and read what I posted to see if I implied or stated something different than what I meant to

Man, they sure play the victim real good.

I reckon that's why the clan, I mean the panthers, called for overthrowing the Gov. and killing Americans. I guess they are justified.{no, I ain't clan. It was just a pun.)

Aw, heck! Give those extremists more guns. Just don't give 'em any ammo.

What's that song????

Oh, I remember.

Cry Me A River
Justin Timberlake

You were my sun, you were my earth
but you didnt know all the ways I loved you, no
So you took a chance, made other plans
But I betcha didnt think that they would come crashin down, no


You dont have to say, What cha did
I already know, I found out from HIM
now theres just no chance
with you and me
there will never be
dont it make you sad about it


you told me you love me
Why did you leave me all alone
now you tell me you need me
When you call me on the phone


Girl I refuse
you must have me confused with some other guy
the bridges were burned
now its your turn,To cry


Cry me a river
Cry me a river er er
cry me a river
cry me a river er er
YA YA


You know that they say somethings are better left Unsaid
It wasnt like you only talked to him
And you know it
(Dont act like you dont know it)
all of these things people told me
keep messin with my head
shoulda been honesty
then you may not have thought it


You dont have to say, What cha did
I already know, I found out from HIM
now theres just no chance
with you and me
there will never be
done it make you sad about it


you told me you love me
Why did you leave me all alone (all alone)
now you tell me you need me
When you call me on the phone ( call me on the phone)


Girl I refuse
you must have me confused with some other guy (not like them baby)
the bridges were burned
now its your turn to cry


So
Cry me a river
Cry me a river er er
cry me a river
cry me a river er er
YA YA


Oh
The damage is done
So i guess i be leavin


Oh
The damage is done
So i guess i be leavin


Oh
The damage is done
So i guess i be leavin


You dont have to say, What cha did
I already know, I found out from HIM
now theres just no chance
with you and me
there will never be
dont it make you sad about it



So
Cry me a river
Cry me a river er er
cry me a river
cry me a river er er
cry me a river
cry me a river...........

This is what I read about a year ago. And there are more sites discussing it.
http://www.newsnet14.com/2009/01/04/ammunition-accountability-legislation/

Ammunition Accountability Legislation

Remember how Obama said that he wasn’t going to take your guns? Well, it seems that his allies in the anti-gun world have no problem with taking your ammo!

The bill that is being pushed in 18 states (including Illinois and Indiana) requires all ammunition to be encoded by the manufacture a data base of all ammunition sales. So they will know how much you buy and what calibers.


Nobody can sell any ammunition after June 30, 2009 unless the ammunition is coded..

Any privately held uncoded ammunition must be destroyed by July 1, 2011. (Including hand loaded ammo.) They will also charge a .05 cent tax on every round so every box of ammo you buy will go up at least $2.50 or more!

If they can deprive you of ammo they do not need to take your gun!

Man, they sure play the victim real good.

lol,, so now people should IGNORE or DENY their mistreatment or they are playing victims,,lol


Im sorry, but my idea of a 'victim' is someone who has bee violated in some way,, where as PLAYING VICTIM refers to someone who refuses to do anything about the violation and chooses to stick in their current predicament for the pleasure of receiving empathy

jim crow laws were REAL, segregationist and supremist attitudes were REAL, and many minorities went through REAL oppression and abuse behind people in positions of authority who happened to hold these philosophies,,,


it is always odd to me , the bully who wants to beat someone down and when they hit back cries 'no fair'

the black panthers were a reactionary group that was responding to the issues of the time,,their platform was as follows

The ten points of the party platform were:

1) "Freedom; the power to determine the destiny of the Black and oppressed communities.

2) Full Employment; give every person employment or guaranteed income.

3) End to robbery of Black communities; the overdue debt of forty acres and two mules as promised to ex-slaves during the reconstruction period following the emancipation of slavery.

4) Decent housing fit for the shelter of human beings; the land should be made into cooperatives so that the people can build.

5) Education for the people; that teaches the true history of Blacks and their role in present day society.

6) Free health care; health facilities which will develop preventive medical programs.

7) End to police brutality and murder of Black people and other people of color and oppressed people.

8) End to all wars of aggression; the various conflicts which exist stem directly from the United States ruling circle.

9) Freedom for all political prisoners; trials by juries that represent our peers.

10) Land, bread, housing, education, clothing, justice, peace and community control of modern industry."





I dont see this as any more hateful or violent than the curren TEA PARTY , they were just in a different time facing different issues they perceived as injustice

The panthers chose violence and hatred. And by any means they deemed necessary.

In todays language, they would be classified terrorist. Federal Law. It's a crime to call for the overthrow of da' gubbament.

You lose. sorry.

Tell the poooor victims to put their big girl pants on and get over themselves.

BTW Angela is no longer welcome in the panthers.

Kagan is a socialist playing by Husseins rules. IMO.

where in their platform (posted above) did they call for government overthrow or violence?

the panthers chose to fight back against violence already being DIRECTED AT THEM, they chose to protect their communities that police were woefully neglecting to protect and were even sometimes violating themselves, they chose to give community services to their neighbors,,,which others would not

if obtaining guns is promoting violence, by that same standard the NRA are terrorists

if calling for a change to Government or overthrow of the current system is promoting hatred and terrorism,,,the TEA PARTY are terrorists,,,,,(except , like the panthers, nowhere in their platform do they encourage OVERTHROWING anything)

I think many great minority americans did more than put their big boy pants on , they made an impact that aided in equal rights in America. I think it is those who want to cry that their descendants should now be happy to be EXCLUDED from mention or aknowledgement in the educational system (after all that was done to insure they were INCLUDED), are the ones who need to take off the pampers and get over THEMSELF.

Granted, there were a lot of blacks who were great contributors. Maya Angelo, da stud King Jr., Cassius Clay, ( I loved watching him in action), George Foreman, Jimi Hendrix, (I used to trip with him) and a lot more.

Alas, I so tire of this game.

You spew false claims. No facts or links to back it up.

I will give you one more lesson on panther black history.

"There is a pig upon the hill. If you don't kill him, the Panthers will."

Black Panther Coloring Book shows a black man shooting a pig-faced policeman as a young black girl looks on.( How sick can they get?)

They carefully kept order at an Oakland rally the day Panther Defense Minister Huey Newton's trial began, even cleaning up the street after the crowd left; but they maintain alarming arsenals that include grenades and automatic weapons.

In a last month issue of The Black Panther, Information Minister Eldridge Cleaver wrote: "We call for the violent overthrow of the fascist imperialist United States Government."(Is this a lie??)

A lot of firepower to apprehend a non-violent group, don'tcha' think there, Mable?VVV

The latest battle between Panthers and police erupted in Los Angeles last week. It came against a background of continuing racial enmity, worsened by last May's re-election of Mayor Sam Yorty over black Councilman Tom Bradley. At 5:30 a.m. last Monday, two Panther offices and one private home were attacked by 300 Los Angeles policemen armed with arrest warrants, search warrants, shotguns, AR-15 rifles, tear-gas grenades, satchel charges, one helicopter, 6-ft. steel battering rams, a National Guard armored personnel carrier, and a fire department "jet-ax" used to cut through the roof of burning buildings. The principal target was Panther headquarters, a two-story brown-and-white brick building at 41st Street and Central Avenue. There, the battle raged for four hours and 45 minutes.

That's all the lessons for today.

You might just wanna' go back and study up on panther black history.

It's a shame a no-nuttin' redneck has forgotten more about the panthers than some are likely to ever learn.

this is more and more off topic, but against better judgment I will respond to the condescending previous post,,


forgotten more of what you READ about than I have learned of what my parents went through? doubtful

your support has come with few links either and links alone are no more or less proof of something(particularly links to commentaries) than the word of those who lived through it (namely my family members)


but it is interesting to note that the ones you consider contributors with the exception of king jr are all artistic, and nothing political, or intellectual, or social,,,,

as it relates to the other thread you referred toP african americans (And other minorities)were much more than entertainment,,and there is no reason not to include that in the educational system they are required to be a part of,,, and THAT was the original point of my posts,,,,,,if you find personalities that cause too much extreme controversy, remove those personalities from the subject,,,banning the subject altogether is quite ridiculous


as it relates to this thread....well, actually it has NO relevance so I will leave it where it stands

I lived it.

You haven't a clue what I know or have experienced.

I was in the middle of it. Jr high when desegregation was implemented. The blacks there fought against it the same as the whites. They were happy in their neighborhoods and their schools. Back then, they were called the quarters.

The kids got split up and shipped to 3 different schools. They were taken from their teachers and friends.

What you see on tv is watered down and biased.

I think your teacher is biased.

I will step up and call a truce here but believe me my 'teachers' are no more biased than you friend,, my teachers LIVED it too ( but on the RECEIVING end of the racial injustice, profiling, and brutalizing,,,)

if you werent in the communities the bp were protecting , just that you lived through bussing and fought discrimination doesnt mean I should expect you will have an unbiased monopoly on the 'truth' of everything that was going on in those communities..

never ends well when we start down a condescending road, because we in fact DONT know what others have lived or learned,,,touche