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Topic: How Many Americans Know?
byteme's photo
Mon 04/12/10 08:05 PM
History dose effect us today. Do not repeat it. U know very little about this country or the world without history. Did u know that we have more oil than the whole mid east altogether has but our government wont let us drill because the envirolmentlists are funded by people that would be hurt if we didi not buy there oil. Check the Denver Post.

byteme's photo
Mon 04/12/10 08:07 PM
Did u bump ur head

msharmony's photo
Mon 04/12/10 08:25 PM

History dose effect us today. Do not repeat it. U know very little about this country or the world without history. Did u know that we have more oil than the whole mid east altogether has but our government wont let us drill because the envirolmentlists are funded by people that would be hurt if we didi not buy there oil. Check the Denver Post.



I agree that history is important,, whether it is VITAL is something I continue to doubt. It is a nice extra, but not a necessity to do well in the world or to have a happy and successful life.

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Mon 04/12/10 08:32 PM

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Mon 04/12/10 08:37 PM


History dose effect us today. Do not repeat it. U know very little about this country or the world without history. Did u know that we have more oil than the whole mid east altogether has but our government wont let us drill because the envirolmentlists are funded by people that would be hurt if we didi not buy there oil. Check the Denver Post.



I agree that history is important,, whether it is VITAL is something I continue to doubt. It is a nice extra, but not a necessity to do well in the world or to have a happy and successful life.


My suspicions are now confirmed. Thank you. History is NEVER an 'extra'. That mindset may work for an order at a Mickey D drive-thru, but life's a bit more serious than that. I do understand the foreshortened 'perspective' of your posts better now, tho' ... lack of 'conceptual continuity'.

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Mon 04/12/10 08:41 PM

You may also find it interesting (if more than just a bit ironic) that 'The ONE' deliberately chose to announce his decision to cancel the Missile Shield Program for Poland on PRECISELY the same date (70 years ago to the day) that the Soviets invaded Poland: September 17, 1939.

He made his announcement on Constitution day, 2009. On the day when our country celebrates the freedoms given to us by its Constitution, the POTUS capitulated to an oppressive regime and duplicated the actions of Neville Chamberlain by selling out the same allies that Chamberlain did before WWII began.

Here's a link to an article about that Soviet invasion you may find helpful:

http://www.oste.eu/soviet_invasion_of_poland_1939_en.html



Actually the constitution does not "grant" us freedom. The rights outlined in the bill of rights are given to us by our creator (per natural rights theory, ala the Declaration of Independence). There are many (including myself) who argue that the Constitution not only doesn't protect our rights, it creates a framework for systematic violation of natural rights.

msharmony's photo
Mon 04/12/10 10:12 PM
Edited by msharmony on Mon 04/12/10 10:16 PM



History dose effect us today. Do not repeat it. U know very little about this country or the world without history. Did u know that we have more oil than the whole mid east altogether has but our government wont let us drill because the envirolmentlists are funded by people that would be hurt if we didi not buy there oil. Check the Denver Post.



I agree that history is important,, whether it is VITAL is something I continue to doubt. It is a nice extra, but not a necessity to do well in the world or to have a happy and successful life.


My suspicions are now confirmed. Thank you. History is NEVER an 'extra'. That mindset may work for an order at a Mickey D drive-thru, but life's a bit more serious than that. I do understand the foreshortened 'perspective' of your posts better now, tho' ... lack of 'conceptual continuity'.



History ,as taught in schools,is always an extra,,

personal history is vital. History as a SUBJECT is not.

I need to know the history that pertains to my life,, my ancestry, my value system. The history of the world is far too complex for anyone to know completely, all we can really USE is that which pertains to us personally. Not once since I graduated high school has any historical information(as taught in the schools) enriched my life or made me a better person.

I know someone created a microwave and therefore I know creativity and invention are real possibilities that lead to real advances,, putting a DETAILED name or circumstance to that creation really doesnt make it any more or less significant for me.

Columbus and Washington do nothing for my personal existence, they are interesting characters amongst billions that have existed but never received a historical mention. They are no different than people right now in my present reality........this is my point of view and not a lack of conceptual continuity...

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Tue 04/13/10 11:26 AM
Edited by donthatoneguy on Tue 04/13/10 11:28 AM

History dose effect us today. Do not repeat it. U know very little about this country or the world without history. Did u know that we have more oil than the whole mid east altogether has but our government wont let us drill because the envirolmentlists are funded by people that would be hurt if we didi not buy there oil. Check the Denver Post.


A) Why drill? Why not force alternative fuel sources instead of destroying the environment? Sure, it can be argued that drilling will not necessarily harm the environment but accidents happen ... and beyond that, we don't make a habit of studying where we're going to drill before we start tearing the earth asunder.

B) The middle east has the highest concentration of crude oil on earth. If the Denver Post says otherwise, its wrong. As far as this CONTINENT goes, the most oil can be found in Texas and Alaska.


I need to know the history that pertains to my life,, my ancestry, my value system. The history of the world is far too complex for anyone to know completely, all we can really USE is that which pertains to us personally. Not once since I graduated high school has any historical information(as taught in the schools) enriched my life or made me a better person.


Why do you just need the history of you ancestry? Aside from any genetic disorders you may or may not have inherited or pass on. As far as the history of the world being too complex ... not really. Humans are a fairly predictable lot and if you don't show them that horrible stuff has happened that should never happen again, then they'll happen again. This may not be a decision of yours, but can you speak for everyone? So would it be too much to ask for you to learn world history along with everyone else so that there's no WWIII? Or another Tiananmen Square incident? Or more soldiers opening fire on students during another Civil Rights Movement?

I think history as a subject is EXTREMELY important. Else, we lose track of the world we live in and take for granted and we shall regress to darker times.

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Tue 04/13/10 11:51 AM


History dose effect us today. Do not repeat it. U know very little about this country or the world without history. Did u know that we have more oil than the whole mid east altogether has but our government wont let us drill because the envirolmentlists are funded by people that would be hurt if we didi not buy there oil. Check the Denver Post.


A) Why drill? Why not force alternative fuel sources instead of destroying the environment? Sure, it can be argued that drilling will not necessarily harm the environment but accidents happen ... and beyond that, we don't make a habit of studying where we're going to drill before we start tearing the earth asunder.

B) The middle east has the highest concentration of crude oil on earth. If the Denver Post says otherwise, its wrong. As far as this CONTINENT goes, the most oil can be found in Texas and Alaska.


I need to know the history that pertains to my life,, my ancestry, my value system. The history of the world is far too complex for anyone to know completely, all we can really USE is that which pertains to us personally. Not once since I graduated high school has any historical information(as taught in the schools) enriched my life or made me a better person.


Why do you just need the history of you ancestry? Aside from any genetic disorders you may or may not have inherited or pass on. As far as the history of the world being too complex ... not really. Humans are a fairly predictable lot and if you don't show them that horrible stuff has happened that should never happen again, then they'll happen again. This may not be a decision of yours, but can you speak for everyone? So would it be too much to ask for you to learn world history along with everyone else so that there's no WWIII? Or another Tiananmen Square incident? Or more soldiers opening fire on students during another Civil Rights Movement?

I think history as a subject is EXTREMELY important. Else, we lose track of the world we live in and take for granted and we shall regress to darker times.


precisely BECAUSE humans are predictable,, I can learn what I need to know by studying humans and situations around me TODAY. I can learn what I need to know by studying what MY particular ancestors went through.

I dont NEED to know what happened in INdia or on the American continent 200 years ago,,it just doesnt HURT if I do.

byteme's photo
Tue 04/13/10 12:09 PM
This way of thinking only make people narrow minded. Wake up people. This countries oil is not all gone.

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Tue 04/13/10 12:14 PM

This way of thinking only make people narrow minded. Wake up people. This countries oil is not all gone.


No one said it was all gone. I was merely contesting your statement that the U.S. has more oil than the middle east. :smile:

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Tue 04/13/10 01:29 PM


This way of thinking only make people narrow minded. Wake up people. This countries oil is not all gone.


No one said it was all gone. I was merely contesting your statement that the U.S. has more oil than the middle east. :smile:


Point of fact is, he's right. We are NOT exploiting the resources available: The ENTIRE Gulf of Mexico, the OCS (Outer Continental Shelf) off the Atlantic and Pacific coastlines (CA & FL, for example) because it would 'spoil their view'; we are NOT exploiting ANWR or the Bakken Oil Shale formation in the Dakotas ... all because the 'environazis' have declared open war on anyone who dares try to make us energy independent. They're the ones who coined the term 'NIMBY'. They're the ones who are responsible for NO new refineries OR nuclear generating plants being built in this country in the past 50 years. We have more oil in this country and off our shores than the Middle East - but we don't have the political will (I prefer 'balls') to stand up to the ones who constantly say 'NO!' to drilling or any other form of energy production. If we're EVER gonna be free of dependence on the Mid-East, THOSE people need to be dealt with and eliminated as a roadblock first.

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Tue 04/13/10 08:48 PM
BAKKEN is from MONTANA TO CANADA. THEY NOW KNOW HOW TO GET IT OUT CHEAPER THAN BEFORE. THEY SAY THAT THE OIL IS VERY CLEAN AND THERE IS 5 BILLION BARRELS THERE. bUSH MANDATED THAT WE DRILL BUT THE ENVIRLMENTLISTS ARE BLOCKING IT WHITH HELP FROM PEOPLE WHO WANT US TO RELY ON OVERSEAS OIL. LOOK IT UP PEOPLE.

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Wed 04/14/10 08:19 AM
Again, why? Why not become energy dependent with alternative forms of fuel? That way it won't matter where the oil is, and its long overdue. Stop drilling for oil, you won't have to listen to the environmentalists' yammering, if that's your only concern.

byteme's photo
Wed 04/14/10 10:57 AM
My concern is that we r paying the other countries that would like to see us dead for there oil when we dont have to. And yes we do need to find other enegy, I agree.

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