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couple of questions come to mind: How long has he been there? About a year. Does he owe the owner money? No, in fact, Bruce loaned him about $6000 a few years ago when the guy was having problems keeping the business up and running. Is there a cut-off date? My take on it, from knowing both of them, is that the owner is totally OK with keeping things as they are. He describes it as "we've both got each other over a barrel," meaning he wouldn't be able to keep his business open if Bruce was not around (which is true, because the owner has another job, so he can't be there very much, and no one else is going to work for him based on what he's historically been willing to pay). To answer the original question... In Canada, there was this case about an employer who hadhis employee go to his house to mow his lawn and do other chores. I can see the bossmans point... He's paying him so why not? The court ruled otherwise... Here,you can't hire someone for a job then tack on UNRELATED work. He got slammed for 100K! Well, I think the issue has to do with what's actually in the "job description," etc. -- and, while I don't see anything wrong with a friend helping a friend out with yardwork or whatever, there's a point where you have to have some time to do your own stuff. Bruce isn't given that. He's basically "on call" 24/7 with no say in the matter. And I think that's just wrong. |
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couple of questions come to mind: How long has he been there? About a year. Does he owe the owner money? No, in fact, Bruce loaned him about $6000 a few years ago when the guy was having problems keeping the business up and running. Is there a cut-off date? My take on it, from knowing both of them, is that the owner is totally OK with keeping things as they are. He describes it as "we've both got each other over a barrel," meaning he wouldn't be able to keep his business open if Bruce was not around (which is true, because the owner has another job, so he can't be there very much, and no one else is going to work for him based on what he's historically been willing to pay). To answer the original question... In Canada, there was this case about an employer who hadhis employee go to his house to mow his lawn and do other chores. I can see the bossmans point... He's paying him so why not? The court ruled otherwise... Here,you can't hire someone for a job then tack on UNRELATED work. He got slammed for 100K! Well, I think the issue has to do with what's actually in the "job description," etc. -- and, while I don't see anything wrong with a friend helping a friend out with yardwork or whatever, there's a point where you have to have some time to do your own stuff. Bruce isn't given that. He's basically "on call" 24/7 with no say in the matter. And I think that's just wrong. You want "lowdown dirty" advice on what to do? Time for a hostile takeover of the business! Like he said both are bent over a barrel... But one has MUCH more to lose? It may not be perfect advice but this way Bruce man can get back on his feet and move out... and bossman can preserve whatever financial asset he HAD... PS I'm not that sneaky in real life... It's just business 
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Edited by
Robm248
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Mon 03/08/10 07:48 PM
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It's simple really. Did Bruce volunteer to run the business? If not, then he's not a volunteer and must be an employee. Federal law would then require a minimum of wage and benefits based on his locality. Also, there are laws against forced labor, so he can say no anytime.
If Bruce get's told off on nicely mentioning it, then he could report it rather easily to the IRS as income via illegal working conditions on the part of the other guy. Now, that's getting harsh, and I'm sure he'd like this to be a much less hostile situation... but if he's working he has to be paid. (Granted, rent and board, etc. could be deducted from that). |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Mon 03/08/10 08:04 PM
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How nice a home is it? Basically I see it the old fashioned way of 'my house , my rules'. If someone isnt paying rent or on the lease, they are free to leave and if they choose to stay they do so by the house rules, however crummy they may be(so long as they arent illegal activities such as drugs or sex, which could easily be reported).
Before I leased this place, when I stayed with my mom with no income, I was GLAD to do ALL the domestic work there because she was generous enough to be paying ALL the bills, I saw it as a pretty fair arrangement. As far as running an actual business, he should be being compensated for it but his 'friend' has him over a barrel. IT sucks for sure, If I were him, Id rent a room somewhere, no need for a whole house until he is back on his feet. |
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Edited by
Shasta1
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Mon 03/22/10 11:27 AM
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How nice a home is it? Basically I see it the old fashioned way of 'my house , my rules'. If someone isnt paying rent or on the lease, they are free to leave and if they choose to stay they do so by the house rules, however crummy they may be(so long as they arent illegal activities such as drugs or sex, which could easily be reported). Before I leased this place, when I stayed with my mom with no income, I was GLAD to do ALL the domestic work there because she was generous enough to be paying ALL the bills, I saw it as a pretty fair arrangement. As far as running an actual business, he should be being compensated for it but his 'friend' has him over a barrel. IT sucks for sure, If I were him, Id rent a room somewhere, no need for a whole house until he is back on his feet. Yes! So let me get this straight. The owner owes Bruce $, but is not pying him for his work with the business. Does he have a signed loan agreement? I suggest also that Bruce sit down and actually make a list of the pros and cons of the situation. It kept him from being homeless during the winter months, thats a horrible road. Worse than anyone can realize unless they've done it. No shower, scrambling for food, warmth, staying dry. 24/7? well, sit down like a adult and discuss it. Medication, one time on one Rx and he's through with it? There's tons of stuff out there, and if it's affecting your life (and it sounds like it is by asking you for help being unable to think clearly about his situation, no motivation) it's time for a reveiw. If he has something concrete in his hands, they can sit down together and work things out. Am sure there are variables that Bruce isn't telling you, what has the landlord have to say about Bruce's behavior while in his home? There are 3 sides to every story, his, theirs and the truth. Once he gets on medication or something (even herbs help), perhaps he should start counting his blessings instead of bemoaning how badly he is being treated. Once you change your outlook on life, things immediately start moving in that direction also. You're a good man trying to help, yet he has to help himself.One of the biggest problems with people who have degrees getting laid off is the fact that they, alot of them, not all) refuse any jobs that are below their education and job hx. Isn't he collecting unemployment? No one can 'take' your food stamps without your consent, because they are on a credit card type of thing now. If he's getting foodstamps he's should be getting that also.Maybe, just maybe...the landlord/friend can't afford to pay him what with a family and house payments, etc. Lastly, he can go on Craigs and find a place with a roomate sort of deal. People have houseshares all the time on there for nominal rent. |
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Yes! So let me get this straight. The owner owes Bruce $, but is not pying him for his work with the business. Does he have a signed loan agreement? No, there's nothing on paper. It was an informal arrangement between two friends. Medication, one time on one Rx and he's through with it? Yeah, he has no income and could not afford any more medication. He did apply for a state-subsidized health insurance program but was told he's not eligible. Isn't he collecting unemployment? No, he did not earn enough in the base period to qualify. No one can 'take' your food stamps without your consent, because they are on a credit card type of thing now. Exactly, and, as I understand it, the threat has been "Give me your food stamps or find another place to live." If he's getting foodstamps he's should be getting that also. The Dept. of Social Services (I think that's what they call it) has told him he's only eligible for food stamps. Lastly, he can go on Craigs and find a place with a roomate sort of deal. People have houseshares all the time on there for nominal rent. He has no income, and no transportation. He can't pay any rent, and, as far as I've been able to determine, there isn't an agency that can or will help him with this. |
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So...he has no income, is helping out a man whose offered his home, has all the conveneinces of home, would be homeless if this guy didn't pull for him, he doesn't pay rent, has no money for food, ultitlies, incidentals and hygiene prducts that food stamps don't buy. How does he get to work, or anywhere, does the 'friend' take him? Does he pay for repairs if something breaks down? I think thats what they call the barter system. He needs to be grateful if he can't pull his weight monetarilly, the guy has even said to him that the business would be lost without his help as a sort of thank you (MHO)...it works out for all from what I'm seeing. He needs to do a hour a night sending out his resumes to everyone, and then he can contemplate his situation. I was raised you don't look a gift horse in the mouth, even if it kicks you once in awhile.
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