Man, They want Bush bad dont they....
This is his own Party!!!LMAO


Lawmakers Question Deal With North Korea
Published: 6/12/07, 6:45 PM EDT
By DESMOND BUTLER
WASHINGTON (AP) - Republican lawmakers on Tuesday asked investigators to
examine whether Bush administration efforts to transfer $25 million from
a North Korean account would violate money laundering and counterfeit
laws.

Six members of Congress, including the ranking Republican on the House
Foreign Affairs Committee, Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, asked that the
Government Accountability Office investigate whether moves by the State
and Treasury departments to facilitate the transfer broke the law.

well what better way to not be associated with bush

come ELECTION time than to attack him

and what better way to sneak legislation thru

than to distract every one with a scandle

just a thought

but hey what do i know

BUSH IS A JOKE!!!

another statement

without foundation

easy to make a statement out of the blue

explain what is so funny

or is he a bad joke

or some other kind of joke

a positive suggestion is always better than

a useless statement

regardless of the true or false validity of said statement

but hey that is how it is now a daze

but hey what do i know

adj....it is obvious enough without explanation..!!!


he is a joke!!! a sic/twisted /in bad taste/JOKE

Yes, the world is imploding on president Bush. Years of disdain and
ignorance and bad policy are catching up with him, and that includes
here in Washington.

He has become the butt of behind-the-scenes jokes pretty much across the
political spectrum, and some of the most vicious ones are coming from
Republicans. I think in part they are trying to distance themselves from
Bush, and to be seen by their colleagues and friends as people who saw
through him all along.

The magnitude of the grass roots opposition to the immigration bill has
caught the Bush people by surprise.

I am trying to get a read on Karl Rove, who is, after all, still Bush's
domestic affairs advisor.

Elliott Abrams is still his Middle East advisor and the man now most
responsble for US policy in the Middle East. I guess David Wurmser in
Cheney's office would be number two.

These are significant shifts, for those who follow the 'office politics'
of the Bush administration.

It really is too late for Bush to do much about his slide. He has done
too much harm for anyone to forgive him, and Washington now grits its
teeth and is prepared to gut out the remaining 18 months, with the main
goal being simply to stymie any further Bush insanity.

I do not use the term insanity as an insult: I use the term technically.
And I use it accurately.

So much now depends on who the next president will be.



Oceans

Oceans, Lawry....

i hear your exasperation...i am thinking here and feeling.... that
finally ,
if YOU , with your diplomacy, congeniality, and Level, can be FED UP to
this degree,

a few more blunders from this administration, and it will be THE STRAW
THAT BREAKS THE CAMEL'S BACK....and the frustration and disillusionment
will turn into the OUTRAGE and INDICTMENT these crimes call for.

so.

rock the boat....get vocal...while his credibility is in question, take
advantage of the collective energy that is with you and use your
position to touch the hearts and minds of those you can....

the worst thing that could happen is that the FEAR(s) his administration
has planted with it's costume of fighting terrorism, has become the
terrorist that paralyzes the TRUE VOICE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

dare to be AGAINST "them"....

this patriots act...has strangled the voice of justice and desecrated
the Constitution, that was built for freedom and equality....

this,"with us or against us" posture, is a corrupt set up!


sorry if i'm raving...blame it on hormoans

Lawry, what chance does the next president have?

If he/she has cleaned up the mess Bush leaves behind him, he/she will be
as unpopular as Bush is now.

I don't see this president doing a second therm.

water is wet

I thought I was going to read something about a deal with Korea in this
thread. No dice. Anybody still spend any time thinking about N. Korea?
That guy over there is pretty weird. His country would be in so much
better shape if he would give up the ghost.

Bl8tant and Invisible, you right on target, in my position.

Bush is now so weakened that the anger that has been accumulating is
spilling over. As with the US forces in Iraq, the game is lost. They are
still there, but we all know that their game is up. So this makes it
easy for critics to come out into the open, and emboldens those who were
already critical.

It is a hard things to effectively oppose a president (and in this case
the vice president), especially one who views all dissent as unpatriotic
or even treacherous.

But the critical mass of criticism is now in place, and people are
losing their fear to retribution by the neocons (who are quick with
accusations of anti-Semitism) or the Christian fundamentalists (who are
quick with their accusations of Satanism).

It is not a pretty picture...people piling on, but in my opinion Bush
and his diehard supporters deserve it. They have bullied others so
easily, aggressively and for so long. The pent-up anger that it has
caused is now emerging, and will become stronger.



Oceans

Sorry, missed your question, Invisible.

I think if we elect a good president that he can do quite well. The
American people realize how bad things have become, and know how bad
things will be when the new president comes in. They will want the worst
of the problems addressed, and if the new president is seen as doing
this they will support him.

It does not matter which party the new president is from, just that he
have integrity, intelligence, vision, explains the situation clearly and
honestly to the people, is pragmatic (no ideological models of the
world), reaches out to people that Bush has called evil and enemies and
reestablishes good relations with them (not very hard to do, in my
opinion, as it is what everyone wants).

It is an agenda that is quite feasible. Of course, the neocons and
fundies will howl, and the new president will have to rebut their
howlings publicly and unequivocally.

Hmmmmm....it's a job I wouldn't mind having!



Oceans

OK, how do we start????

Like this????????




OCEANS FOR PRESIDENT! OCEANS FOR PRESIDENT!

OCEANS FOR PRESIDENT! OCEANS FOR PRESIDENT!

Naw, I'm plotting my escape from Washington. I've done my bit (and a
lot more) for this benighted country....

Time for me to find some friends, find a new home, learn to plant a
garden, hoist a glass, and write. Course, you can guess what I'll be
writing about!



Oceans

Plain and simple... Everyone agrees for the most part that Bush failed
overall. Fine. Truth can not be denied.

However, what needs to happen now, is everyone needs to shut their own
mouths about hte subject of bush insofar as him personally and start
debating which candidate is going to be the best choice to clean
everything up. More bush hating spew is not gonna do anything except
muddy the picture and cloud everyones thinking.
So stop the bush bashing and start talking solutions (which do NOT
include removing Bush early; not with less than 18 months to go. His
trials and investigations would still be going on after the president
elect took office).

Lets get to gether as a people, look at whos wiling to step up and try
to clean up Bush'es mess and choose the best candidate for the job.

Daniel,

There are a lot of decisions that will be taken between now and the end
of the Bush presidency, and so there is a LOT of fighting that is going
to go on. Assessing Bush will continue to be important, in an effort to
minimize the further damage that he and his neocon/Rovian officials do.

And you are right, in my opinion: we need to start thinking about who
will come up next, and perhaps more importantly, what kind of government
we want, based on what kind of moral foundation?

Thanks for the reminder!

So, what is your assessment of the candidates? Do they have a clue about
what the country needs?



Oceans

Why does not somebody post a list with all possible candidates and we
can all find out for ourselves about them and then have a discussion.

we did that once invisible and people shot it down so to speak.

Ocean I agree other issues and trouble are gonna come up. I agree that
we need to discuss it all. What I do nt agre with is the general bush
bashing most people are doing. They are not discussing the issues and
trying to resolve them so much as they are trying to forma lynch mob and
hang a guy for making bad jusgement calls.

Now, no matter what anyones opinion is, bush WILL be out in 18 onths so
yes we need to discuss what needs to happen when that time comes. AND
we need to decide who to put in front of us to lead. But arguing about
wether or not bush should be convicted of this or that, arguing about
wether or not he did anything illegal will not hel pin any sense.
Am I making any sense?

Yup, I understand Daniel, and generally agree.

The question of accountability is there though? Historians will write
the history books, and in the end they will control how he is perceived
decades from now.

But do the tens of thousands of people he has hurt -- the people
illegally 'detained' on his orders have a right to sue him personally?

We pursued the leaders of Nazi Germany and Japan on a personal level,
and are doing so for Serbian and other people we judge guilty of war or
humanitarian crimes. Would we pursue one of our own? Maybe he will
pardon himself before leaving office!

Why was the effort to look at the candidates shot down?



Ocenas

I wonder

Since I refuse to watch tv I'm in a bit of a disadvantage here, so I'd
appreciate a list. Then I can look them up on the net.