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Ever wondered why Israel is hated in the muslim world and why America is so keen to jump into bed with the Israeli's? If Israel was in the wrong it would be all over the news wouldn't it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLEviPEUcMw Isreal does not have a legal cliam to isreal . They only lived there 212 years we have lived here for over 200000 years . they need to leave . go back to the mountains where they came from .or maybe bablelon the lived there for a while before going to the south side of araba . something i agree with you on. |
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Such a loving christian attitude..."lets go bomb a nation". What would Jesus do???  Kill Allah? Wouldn't that be killing his father....just sayin. I'm not a Christian or a Muslim..don't matter to me. I just thought Christianity taught love, forgiveness...hummmm What would Jesus do?You think Jesus would want all the Christians to stretch out their necks and be slaughtered in mass numbers or fight back?I can think of one of the bible verses where he does say "Fight" with out even thinking about it. Jesus said, "My kingdom does not belong to this world. If it belonged to this world, then my servants would fight so that I would not be given to the Jewish leaders. But my kingdom is from another place." This is a battle of good vs evil.Christians have always fought evil including killing those who are trying to kill us.God has always proteced us and urges us to do the same.Christians don't duck tail and run.We stand tall right to the very end. Christians have always killed those trying to kill us? I guess Christ didnt set a good example then,,,,, I disagree with your logic on this one , Christ wasnt about death he was about life Ms Harmony I really don't want to turn this into a religious debate.I know we often disagree because you like to think of only life,forgiveness,and you can have the cake and eat it too attitude when it comes to the bible.Jesus was about life but not life for everyone and only people who believe in him.Do you think Jesus cared at all about those people who died who did not believe in him?Quite the opposite.Why you also completly disregard the old testament and Gods laws and rules is beyond me. I really don't think I need to waste time showing you all the stories of Gods wrath and destruction and the people he has killed over the years.You will not find any stories of Jews or Christians just sitting around while God or Jesus watches them slaughtered in mass numbers.Every story you read concerning life or death for Gods people he has either commanded them to fight,protected them,or he killed their enemy.There is also no bible verses saying we should not defend ourselves,to surrender,or to be murdered.It is best to turn the other cheek like Jesus said but clearly when it comes to life and death situations if it is either them or us dying in a battle it should be them and not us. John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight He said fight.He did not say surrender. Jesus was not sent to re-write the entire old testament and he even said "I have not come to abolish the Law or the Prophets,".With that said ignoring the old testament is a big mistake. “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.” (Matthew 10:34) Ms harmony clearly Jesus is saying that he is going to seperate the good from the evil in this verse using a sword to seperate those two. According to the Bible, God takes complete responsibility for all death—not just death due to natural disasters,diseases,old age,or…holy war.From the fall of man in Genesis 3 onward, “the wages of sin is death.” Whether it was the flood in Noah's day or the raining of fire on Sodom & Gomorrah.God as Creator has the first and last word on it all. Last but not least are we fighting evil with evil,or evil against Good?Were those other Wars against Hitler and other countries against Gods will because we killed?I don't think so.If we just sat around peacefully like you said and was mass murdered there wouldn't be any Christians left in this world would there?With out any Christians there would be nobody left to take to heaven in the final days and the bible says there would be so many people ascending to heaven in the second coming you couldn't count that high.This would make the bible false. Mohamed preaches kill all who do not convert after attempting conversion even if they have to resort to lying. This is a blatant lie. I challenge you to back this up. Nowhere is this found in the Quran i read everyday...but mine is in arabic, you probably copied and pasted yours from a fake english one ;) |
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8:65 O Apostle! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.
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The Unbelievers in this Surah pertains to the pagan Quraysh that waged war on the muslims, it does NOT pertain to anyone that doesn't convert to Islam. Other surahs confirm this as well as the recorded sermon given by the Prophet (pbuh) on his final pilgrimage to the Kabba in Mecca where he states perfectly that there is no compulsion in religion that muslims should respect and protect Christians.
As to the charge that the Prophet (PBUH) taught to kill those that didn't convert this is an out right lie. Those that didn't convert in the areas that was conquered from the Byzantines or any other land, they were allowed to continue to practice their faith but was required to pay a tax which was often lower than the taxes they were already paying to the western occupiers. One officer did execute some after a battle in the western province and the Prophet (SAW) had that officer executed. It was only if the person took up arms upon refusing to convert which was usually a pagan, only then was that person executed. Throughout history there's many examples where christians and jews lived peacefully with muslims one example Emir Abd El Kadir. |
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The issue is not Islam itself which is a beautiful, peaceful,
and ethical religion. The problem is the very small percentage of Muslims who are engaged in "Radical Islamic" struggle against the West. Even though the percentage is small the number of combatants is quite large. Radical Islamists are motivated by religious fervor, fear, intolerance and bigotry so they twist Islam to justify immoral acts. There are many documentaries, interviews and websites which discuss the Radical Islam war with the West. for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMLJJEDDDGc Iran is considered the foremost state sponsor of terrorism in part because they have been connected to such radical islamic groups - especially Hizbollah. http://www.cfr.org/publication/9362/ |
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I see a lot of claims of a small percentage of muslims are by the book and are hardliners.
How many are in that so-called small percentage? Hundreds, thousands, millions? Can anyone be a bit more specific on the numbers? What about the kids who are being trained today to kill the infidel? |
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According to several sources there are about 1.5 billion
Muslims worldwide: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups I don't think anyone actually knows how large the radical Islamic movements are but there have been many estimates and they exist in all major Muslim populations e.g. Muslim Brotherhood (Egypt), Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda, Taliban etc. etc. Since the worldwide population of Muslims is so large even a fraction of a percent participation means hundreds of thousands even millions of followers... 0.1% of 1.5 billion is still 1.5 million people. And, the followers of the above radical movements believe it is OK or even honorable to kill innocent women and children to advance their cause. They use tactics like bus bombings, airliner hijacking and crashing into public buildings, and random untargeted missile launches into civilian population centers. That is why all civilized and moral people must work actively against such tactics and groups. But that still does not mean that almost all Muslims are not lawful, peaceful, moral and honorable people, they are and many are shocked and disgusted by any perversion of their religion and acts of violence done in the name of Islam. |
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I see a lot of claims of a small percentage of muslims are by the book and are hardliners. How many are in that so-called small percentage? Hundreds, thousands, millions? Can anyone be a bit more specific on the numbers? What about the kids who are being trained today to kill the infidel? there wouldn't be any need to as you say train kids to kill anyone if you stayed out of our lands and quit killing us. |
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Edited by
Quietman_2009
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Fri 02/12/10 03:35 PM
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I see a lot of claims of a small percentage of muslims are by the book and are hardliners. How many are in that so-called small percentage? Hundreds, thousands, millions? Can anyone be a bit more specific on the numbers? What about the kids who are being trained today to kill the infidel? there wouldn't be any need to as you say train kids to kill anyone if you stayed out of our lands and quit killing us. then stop hoggin the oil I don't see many US troops killing people in Kentucky |
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I see a lot of claims of a small percentage of muslims are by the book and are hardliners. How many are in that so-called small percentage? Hundreds, thousands, millions? Can anyone be a bit more specific on the numbers? What about the kids who are being trained today to kill the infidel? there wouldn't be any need to as you say train kids to kill anyone if you stayed out of our lands and quit killing us. then stop hoggin the oil I don't see many US troops killing people in Kentucky Why should they? It's on their property. How would you like it if China invaded Texas for oil? 
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Edited by
Quietman_2009
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Fri 02/12/10 03:57 PM
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seems to me that the last three? four? military engagements the US has been involved in has been in the defense of muslim communities
Bosnia Desert Storm Second (or third) Gulf War and the no fly zones was defending Kurds and Shia Afghanistan was a revenge but thats okay it still freed up the Afghans who werent too fond of the mass executions at the soccer stadium anyway |
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we aided Iraq in the Iraq/Iran war, hell detroit gave Sadam a key to the city
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Edited by
Quietman_2009
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Fri 02/12/10 04:21 PM
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that is because at the time Iran was firing missiles and sinking ships coming through Hormuz regardless of whether they were Iraqi or Kuwaiti or UAE
so we took the Iraqi side and put American flags on their ships and told Iran that an attack on them would be war |
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Have you ever heard a song by Steppenwolf titled: "Monster"?
This song was released in 1971. It is still relevant today. |
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According to several sources there are about 1.5 billion Muslims worldwide: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups I don't think anyone actually knows how large the radical Islamic movements are but there have been many estimates and they exist in all major Muslim populations e.g. Muslim Brotherhood (Egypt), Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda, Taliban etc. etc. Since the worldwide population of Muslims is so large even a fraction of a percent participation means hundreds of thousands even millions of followers... 0.1% of 1.5 billion is still 1.5 million people. And, the followers of the above radical movements believe it is OK or even honorable to kill innocent women and children to advance their cause. They use tactics like bus bombings, airliner hijacking and crashing into public buildings, and random untargeted missile launches into civilian population centers. That is why all civilized and moral people must work actively against such tactics and groups. But that still does not mean that almost all Muslims are not lawful, peaceful, moral and honorable people, they are and many are shocked and disgusted by any perversion of their religion and acts of violence done in the name of Islam. There's no media showing the millions of Muslims standing up aginst them or even showing their supposed outrage. |
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Edited by
heavenlyboy34
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Fri 02/12/10 05:59 PM
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that is because at the time Iran was firing missiles and sinking ships coming through Hormuz regardless of whether they were Iraqi or Kuwaiti or UAE so we took the Iraqi side and put American flags on their ships and told Iran that an attack on them would be war Another of those entangling alliances that Jefferson warned us against. 
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Don't want to hear any complaining from you libs when we start carpet bombing Iran.Iran has had several years and hundreds of warnings to stop enriching plutonium but ignors all of them.It will be nobodys fault but their own when Isreal and the United states invades,occupies,and destroys Iran. Oh gee, how very teabaggerish and patriotic of you. Let me be equally blunt, "you libs?" How about you conservatives and tea party fools can pay the price for your insolence, and Iran does attack Israel. Iran would be doing the U.S. a favor. This sherade has gone on long enough, the poor little Jews suck up the most foreign aid of ANY nation from the United States. Yes, that's right, the U.S. spends the most on foreign aid to Israel, how pathetic is that? If I was president I would attack Israel myself. What a waste. You want peace in the Middle East, the "impossible dream," then stop supporting Israel. I guess the United States has to learn the hard way, as they always have. |
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Edited by
Quietman_2009
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Fri 02/12/10 09:31 PM
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that is because at the time Iran was firing missiles and sinking ships coming through Hormuz regardless of whether they were Iraqi or Kuwaiti or UAE so we took the Iraqi side and put American flags on their ships and told Iran that an attack on them would be war Another of those entangling alliances that Jefferson warned us against. not to be picky cause it doesnt really matter who said it but wasnt it Washington? I seem to recall it from his farewell address |
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"If we wanted to manufacture a bomb, we would announce it ... our nation has the courage to explicitly say it and build it. We are not afraid of you,"--Ahmadinijad in recent speech. I love this quote.
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If Iran really has no interest in pursuing weapons then they would have accepted offers to give up on enrichment and have the sanctions dropped and begin to act responsibly according to their prior commitments to the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.
However, instead of dismantling their centrifuges and honoring their agreements, they have secretly built more processing facilities, ignore offers aimed at reassuring the rest of the world and furthermore threaten addtl steps towards nuclear armament all the while openly supporting terrorist activity. Ugh. This is why Iran has become an international pariah state that no one trusts. There is nothing admirable about Ahmadinejad nor the way in which Iran treats her own people or the rest of the world community. |
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