LMAO
Helms was an idiot. NC and the Nation is better off that he's dead.

BURR is my closest target now!

fair enough. I was just kinda trying to clarify things as to ease my confusion.

I'm about as unaffiliated as they come brother!

Even though there may be times when it may not seem like it...I am as well.

I don't totally agree with EITHER of the party's...lol

I'm actually pretty close to the Republicans on immiration too.

My major differences are,
They hide behind the claim that they want stiffer legislation, but during the Bush Admins, they did nothing.

Daddy Bush gave Amnesty to millions. I call it shake-n-bake citizenship.

and, the Baby Bush Republicans enabled the largest migration of illegal immigration in history.
They refused to accept a pretty good bill, which did not create total amnesty.
It was a partisan compromise like they pretended to want but wouldn't support when it got right down to it.
Why?
It's my guess that the status quo benefits their sponsors, and by stalling reform legislation more anchor babies become of age to vote.

Now we are growing closer to become a minority in our own country and immigration reform is leaning more and more toward the lenient side.

By stalling the issue the Republicans keep their sponsors happy while pretending to be tough on immigration.
They keep the egg off their faces and we lose.

If they really wanted reform they would have voted for the 2007 bill.

We may never get as good a bill again!

Just think how many illegal immigrants children are reaching voting age each year.

Which way do you think they will stand on immigration reform?

I'll bet you it won't be against their parents or cousins.

For some odd reason ( money most likely the main culprit ) neither side really seems to want to do much of anything as far as immigration reform.

The way I figure it...since the wanted to have babies here so that the children will automatically be citizens...then fine. Let the children stay put since they are citizens. Everyone who's illegal....out ya go.

Boy would THAT ever be an unpopular position. lol

Anchor babies who have grown up and able to vote are not going to send their illegal parents home.

Like I said....unpopular....lmao

They should have passed the bill in 07. It was a good bill and it's probably the best we'll ever get!
If they don't pass something this year we might as well grant them total amnesty!
I hate the idea of creating 12 million shake-n-bake citizens.

Too many died for the right and privilege to be called American!
Being American should never be free.

Especially considering that so many who have tried to gain entry the right way have been denied.

Especially?

What about those who died defending her?

When given the opportunity to earn citizenship by going to Iraq or Afghanistan,
very few illegals were willing.

Those who did I will gladly call American.
Those who wouldn't should be rounded up and sent home or made to endure the process and cost included in the 2007 bill.
Not made shake-n-bake citizens.

I think, and I believe the law supports me, that anyone born to two illegal parents are illegal as well.
Whether born here or not!

Fanta, you know my comment was not made or intended in any way to disparage the many who have fought and died for this country.

My comment was directed toward those that think Illegal Aliens should just be handed citizenship no matter what.

There are several of them here on this forum.

I really don't know about that.

As far as I know, anyone born on American soil ( ie The States ) is a " citizen by birth ", regardless of the parent's status.

No!
At least one parent must be a US Citizen.
I'll find it later.

Not true.
My wife's aunt and uncle were Illegals living in Fort Stockton where they had their kid.

A couple months after the birth, they were pulled over, detained and deported.

The kid got a US birth certificate and attends school in Del Rio. He catches the bus just this side of the border along with a lot of other anchor kids.

The law has been changed and defined about every 20 years or so.
The last time being in 2005 under the Bush Admin and a Republican controlled congress.

§ 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

Title 8 of the US Code as currently published by the US Government reflects the laws passed by Congress as of Jan. 5, 2009



TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401Prev | Next § 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;
(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;
(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;
(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;
(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or
(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and
(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html

This kid is 14, both parents are Mexican Nationals. He has a U S birth certificate and his parents can't cross. He is the only one who can.