try biting me

lol quiet,,, wow

You two, get a room.

ok....perhaps for some it can be debated if the intellect has stalled

Yeah. If someone is not intelligent...i tend to not want a conversation with them. Dumb people put me off. lol. I don't rely on looks or sex.

As much as i like watching 'The Simpson's' it doesn't show much intelligence. Its one of them shows that influences children to be naughty and to go pick on a neigbour. Etc.

It's standing on the shoulders of giants. Each generation has more catching up to do before they can break new ground and there are so many people that we've really done just about everything that's easy to do.

*There are likely some other lucky discoveries we could be making (like teflon,) but you find those by accident- it's hard to pursue random luck any better than we already do.

But mostly we just avoid renaming an idea after newer people. Newton's stuff like action and reaction gets a lot of recognition because you have to learn the general rule before you can learn the excepts but Newton's laws were wrong and we've replaced stuff like his gravity with Einstein's relativity but that one's too much math to do in your head so we use Newton's stuff when we don't need to be precise.


Though we do throw out a lot of old ideas. Since the atomic model you only ever hear about pholgistom if you're specifically looking at outdated ideas we don't use anymore. (That was supposed to be something lighter than air that was given off by burning metals to explain why the burnt material was heavier than what they started with- now we know that atoms from the air form bonds with the metal atoms.)

We've actually only really kept that high a level of respect for people after the scientific method came into practice. Turns out making an educated guess and then checking if you can find ways to disprove it or confirm risky predictions from it accomplishes A LOT.

Humans are not evolving biologically.We have no reason to.We are not subject to enough enviromental pressures. We can shape our enviroment. We are a successful species. We have no serious competitors.The Singularity is next

Any kind of genetic muscle defect still has some awfully strong selective pressure against it.

There are still lots of diseases out there than can kill us.

Furthermore we've been shaping our environment into something different from what we spent the last 50,000 years adapting to.


There are all kinds of pressures you've probably never considered though.

In a lot of the world people still can't get enough food to survive. Do you think they're not under environmental pressures?

In the "better" places the majority of marriages end in divorce. What kinds of pressures do you think that places on the children? I can tell you straight up that there's a strong connection between broken homes and out of whack stress hormones.


And even without other competitor species we still compete heavily with each other. Social groups go to war with each other and fighting to the death has a lot of very extreme pressures. Within the group there's also competition as females have demanded mates that can give their children a better chance of living and males have demanded better mates if they're going to invest so much energy into that.

We are the most successful species on this planet. We create tools and can shape our enviroment in ways other life cannot even concieve. Biological evolution is an obsolete process for us. We have an even greater potential for self improvement.

We don't shape our environment in a way that removes all biological pressures.

But yes, we're not that far off from moving to a phase when old style evolution has basically no impact.

We are getting better and better at shaping our living enviroments. Every year more and more conveniences are created.

I believe that we have already moved beyond the phase where biological evolution has any impact. It takes too long.Too "clumsy" Humans operate on a different timescale. We have a greater potential to shape "ourselves". To shape future "intelligence". Non biological "evolution". The Singularity.

The Singularity. Hmmmmm.....Google time.

I am a singularitarian and transhumanist

(definitely Google time)

Those are very interesting concepts

To me, anyways

I disagree, environmental influences will never stop influencing all life. It may not be as obvious as in the past but it will never stop being there to influence. Some environmental influences we are causing ourselves too, do not forget we cannot live without causing environmental changes.

Microbiology to environmental changes will all influence our evolution.


As for this thread, I believe we have more intelligence in this world now then ever before and they are at far more advanced level of intelligence than the men who we consider to be the pioneers of our social and scientific evolution.

So why do we seem to revere them as though they are more intelligent than we are today?

We have the ever-growing capability to shape our living enviroment. (My home has many more conveniences than existed when I was a child). We have more complex tools being created every year. (The computers I have now sure are much better than the ones we had when I was a teenager). We may be evolving socially, but not biologically. We are the masters of our enviroment. Biological evolution is too slow and clumsy (and risky)to hold any potential for humans. We have a greater potential for advancment of our intelligence. Our capacity for innovation trumps biological evolution

All you mention do not effect the microbiology we cannot control on this planet nor the environment as in mother nature which will be the cooling and warming of the planet for example.

So I still disagree.

Just because we cannot control aspects of these things now does not mean we will not control them in the future.(And I am sure that we wield great influence over these enviromental conditions now).It is highly probable that we will. There has been no biological evolution in humans for millions of years. Perhaps social evolution.


We have the capacity for innovation.That trumps evolution.