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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/6617018/Jesus-Christs-death-certificate-found-on-Turin-Shroud.html
The historian and researcher at the secret Vatican archive said she has found the words "Jesus Nazarene" on the shroud, proving it was the linen cloth which was wrapped around Christ's body. She said computer analysis of photographs of the shroud revealed extremely faint words written in Greek, Aramaic and Latin which attested to its authenticity. Her claim was immediately contested by scholars who said that radiocarbon dating tests in 1988 showed the shroud to be a medieval forgery. Dr Frale asserts in a new book, The Shroud of Jesus the Nazarene, that computer enhancement enabled her to detect the archaic script, which appears on various parts of the material. She suggested that it was written by low-ranking Roman officials or mortuary clerks on a scroll or piece of papyrus to identify Christ's corpse. Such a document would have enabled the relatives of a dead person to retrieve a body from a communal morgue, she suggested. It would have been attached to the corpse with a flour-based glue and the ink could have seeped through into the cloth below, leaving a faint imprint. Scholars first noticed that there was writing on the shroud in 1978 but when the radiocarbon tests a decade later suggested that the shroud was a forgery, historians lost interest in the script, Dr Frale said. She claimed she had been able to decipher a jumble of phrases written in three languages, including the Greek words (I)esou(s) Nnazarennos, or Jesus the Nazarene, and (T)iber(iou), which she interprets as Tiberius, the Roman emperor at the time of Christ's crucifixion. The text also mentions that the man who was wrapped in the shroud had been condemned to death, she believes. The hidden text was in effect the "burial certificate" for Jesus Christ, Dr Frale said. |
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I could add my name to the Declaration of Independance, it doesn't make me one of the original signers.
I will say this, the shroud is real in one respect, it does exist. But don't forget, Jesus, according to the bible, was buried hastily after his crucifixion. It was durning the Passover, so there wouldn't have been any "official" burial, as other festivities besides the death of a "heretic" were being attended to. The likelyhood of signatures being on the shroud in three languages are ludicrius at best. As the apostles were in hiding, and thus any scholars that would have known how to write, wouldn't have been there. Besides, worshiping a cloth is a violation of the first commandment "Place no gods before Thee." The shroud, in God's eyes, would be considered an idol. |
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I read quite a bit about this a couple years ago
they carbon dated a shred of it about twenty years ago and determined that it was from mid 1200's or so. THEN they realized that the particular shred they dated was a piece that had been woven into the edge. prolly to repair some damage. Under a microscope you could see the difference in weave pattern SO they got permission to test another piece from a different section. That was as of a year or so ago and the new results hadn't come in yet also archeo-botanists examined some pollens that were trapped in the weave and determined that they were a type commen around jeruselam 2000 years ago and scientists have tried to recreate the image imprinting using all kinds of techniques (xrays, laser, dying) and haven't been able to recreate the process so I kinda believe that it IS real |
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Edited by
Atlantis75
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Sat 11/21/09 11:19 AM
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I read quite a bit about this a couple years ago they carbon dated a shred of it about twenty years ago and determined that it was from mid 1200's or so. THEN they realized that the particular shred they dated was a piece that had been woven into the edge. prolly to repair some damage. Under a microscope you could see the difference in weave pattern SO they got permission to test another piece from a different section. That was as of a year or so ago and the new results hadn't come in yet also archeo-botanists examined some pollens that were trapped in the weave and determined that they were a type commen around jeruselam 2000 years ago and scientists have tried to recreate the image imprinting using all kinds of techniques (xrays, laser, dying) and haven't been able to recreate the process so I kinda believe that it IS real Yep, and it was on a documentary also, they tested a corner which was repaired in the medieval period, after a fire broke out where it was kept. It's really up to what people want to believe, i like Jesus so I hope he lived.  here is some info: http://www.shroudforum.com/ |
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I read quite a bit about this a couple years ago they carbon dated a shred of it about twenty years ago and determined that it was from mid 1200's or so. THEN they realized that the particular shred they dated was a piece that had been woven into the edge. prolly to repair some damage. Under a microscope you could see the difference in weave pattern SO they got permission to test another piece from a different section. That was as of a year or so ago and the new results hadn't come in yet also archeo-botanists examined some pollens that were trapped in the weave and determined that they were a type commen around jeruselam 2000 years ago and scientists have tried to recreate the image imprinting using all kinds of techniques (xrays, laser, dying) and haven't been able to recreate the process so I kinda believe that it IS real Actually, an Italian scientist did recreate it. Search CNN for "Shroud of Turin recreated" and you'll see an article from several months ago. The article doesn't question religion, just the cloth itself. |
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I read quite a bit about this a couple years ago they carbon dated a shred of it about twenty years ago and determined that it was from mid 1200's or so. THEN they realized that the particular shred they dated was a piece that had been woven into the edge. prolly to repair some damage. Under a microscope you could see the difference in weave pattern SO they got permission to test another piece from a different section. That was as of a year or so ago and the new results hadn't come in yet also archeo-botanists examined some pollens that were trapped in the weave and determined that they were a type commen around jeruselam 2000 years ago and scientists have tried to recreate the image imprinting using all kinds of techniques (xrays, laser, dying) and haven't been able to recreate the process so I kinda believe that it IS real Actually, an Italian scientist did recreate it. Search CNN for "Shroud of Turin recreated" and you'll see an article from several months ago. The article doesn't question religion, just the cloth itself. BUT he used pigments to recreated it. and the pigments are discernible by spectroscopy the stain on the shroud have been shown to have traces of iron oxide and manganese and stuff that would been actual residue from blood. under spectroscopic examination there is NO pigment or paint or dye on the thing |
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I guess he should have just used blood then.
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Didn't I just hear a report that said the body was actually levitating when the image was imprinted on the shroud?
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/6617018/Jesus-Christs-death-certificate-found-on-Turin-Shroud.html The historian and researcher at the secret Vatican archive said she has found the words "Jesus Nazarene" on the shroud, proving it was the linen cloth which was wrapped around Christ's body. She said computer analysis of photographs of the shroud revealed extremely faint words written in Greek, Aramaic and Latin which attested to its authenticity. Her claim was immediately contested by scholars who said that radiocarbon dating tests in 1988 showed the shroud to be a medieval forgery. Dr Frale asserts in a new book, The Shroud of Jesus the Nazarene, that computer enhancement enabled her to detect the archaic script, which appears on various parts of the material. She suggested that it was written by low-ranking Roman officials or mortuary clerks on a scroll or piece of papyrus to identify Christ's corpse. Such a document would have enabled the relatives of a dead person to retrieve a body from a communal morgue, she suggested. It would have been attached to the corpse with a flour-based glue and the ink could have seeped through into the cloth below, leaving a faint imprint. Scholars first noticed that there was writing on the shroud in 1978 but when the radiocarbon tests a decade later suggested that the shroud was a forgery, historians lost interest in the script, Dr Frale said. She claimed she had been able to decipher a jumble of phrases written in three languages, including the Greek words (I)esou(s) Nnazarennos, or Jesus the Nazarene, and (T)iber(iou), which she interprets as Tiberius, the Roman emperor at the time of Christ's crucifixion. The text also mentions that the man who was wrapped in the shroud had been condemned to death, she believes. The hidden text was in effect the "burial certificate" for Jesus Christ, Dr Frale said. If they can show we me the custom of that time to write the names of the dead on the shrouds in three languages, show me another shroud that has a name on it and show me in the bible where it says that is what was done then maybe I will lean towards believing it could maybe be almost likely that it might be close to the truth...lol but until then, not. |
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An imprint like what is on the shroud would look akin to a photgraph negative. |
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/6617018/Jesus-Christs-death-certificate-found-on-Turin-Shroud.html The historian and researcher at the secret Vatican archive said she has found the words "Jesus Nazarene" on the shroud, proving it was the linen cloth which was wrapped around Christ's body. She said computer analysis of photographs of the shroud revealed extremely faint words written in Greek, Aramaic and Latin which attested to its authenticity. Her claim was immediately contested by scholars who said that radiocarbon dating tests in 1988 showed the shroud to be a medieval forgery. Dr Frale asserts in a new book, The Shroud of Jesus the Nazarene, that computer enhancement enabled her to detect the archaic script, which appears on various parts of the material. She suggested that it was written by low-ranking Roman officials or mortuary clerks on a scroll or piece of papyrus to identify Christ's corpse. Such a document would have enabled the relatives of a dead person to retrieve a body from a communal morgue, she suggested. It would have been attached to the corpse with a flour-based glue and the ink could have seeped through into the cloth below, leaving a faint imprint. Scholars first noticed that there was writing on the shroud in 1978 but when the radiocarbon tests a decade later suggested that the shroud was a forgery, historians lost interest in the script, Dr Frale said. She claimed she had been able to decipher a jumble of phrases written in three languages, including the Greek words (I)esou(s) Nnazarennos, or Jesus the Nazarene, and (T)iber(iou), which she interprets as Tiberius, the Roman emperor at the time of Christ's crucifixion. The text also mentions that the man who was wrapped in the shroud had been condemned to death, she believes. The hidden text was in effect the "burial certificate" for Jesus Christ, Dr Frale said. If they can show we me the custom of that time to write the names of the dead on the shrouds in three languages, show me another shroud that has a name on it and show me in the bible where it says that is what was done then maybe I will lean towards believing it could maybe be almost likely that it might be close to the truth...lol but until then, not. LOL...you want me to show you? I'm just a messenger boy, showing you the news in links and some interesting info, not trying to convince you or change your faith, if you got any. |
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Edited by
michiganman3
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Sat 11/21/09 03:35 PM
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One of the Mysteries.
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That doesn't really mean much though. Yeshua, Jesus, Joshua are fairly common, then and now. So it could be any guy by that name.
Besides, what person then and now gets their gravestone engraved in multiple languages? |
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