well you cannot question Qana...last year or the footage i shot
myself...

so it's moot as far as a contest...both sides are guilty of the same
crimes.

i have seen israeli children indoctrinated in schools and i have also
seen the crimes you speak of as well...

this is not about questioning the tactics of brutality it is about
CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY innocent civilians and with total disreguard ,
in fact with malicious intent of stirring up conflict within
Lebanon...old trick divide and conquer...it's not working but it did do
a tremendous damage and now israel will prolly eat ****....no one's in a
hurry ...but trust me no one has forgotton.......

i have been in these wars ..it's like being infected with a virus...it
eats your soul and your morality and your ethics ..everyone gets
infected

it is not about blaming any more it is about stopping it.... it is about
treating the virus which has been designed by the neocons and the
architects of "the new middle east"

it is all awful and disgusting and outrageous and incredulous...and very
twisted....

if what you say is true i will wish we arrive there soon...something has
to end this.

Hezbollah Fires Rockets from Apartment Building IAF footage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMIi7L1fbUU

What really happened in Qana
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS1fX3b-gpk

They are some sick twisted people, using women and children as human
shields. I would have FAR more sympathy for the Palestinians/Lebanese
if they weren't represented by the very worst their people have to
offer. They elected these monsters to represent them, who have since
used the electorate as human shields to carry out their stated goal of
genocide against the Jews.

Spider some of the Jewish leaders are way no better.

They have butchered entire villages simply to cause the survivors and
the people in the villages around them to leave so that they could sieze
the land. Butchered in the sense that once the fighting for the village
stopped the entered and shot to death every person still alive including
babies.

And for a reward they became the leaders of Israel.

But pull back from the gunsmoke. Take a wider view and you find that
every member of the UN Security council has 'black ops' units in the
Middle East. Every Government in Europe and Every current Government in
the Middle East also has spy rings, 'black ops', bribery units and all
manner of 'secret' groups working in those areas that comprise the land
between the Meditterene Sea and the Persian Gulf and between the Red Sea
and the Caspian.

It can't be just for oil. The flow of oil would be better if there was
no fighting. Must be another reason.

AdventureBegins,

I was responding to a specific point, Qana. I can deny Qana. Qana was
intentional on the part of Hezbollah. They wanted civilians killed, so
that the world would turn against Israel. Israel warned them that they
were going to attack. Some of the survivors said that they weren't
allowed to leave the building. They weren't even human shields, they
were sacrifical lambs.

Who controls Hezbollah?

Who finances them?

Who provides them with guns?

Wheels within wheels.

Agendas below agendas and more around them.

Syria and Iran.

Ah but which factions within Syria and Iran?

There is way more here than meets the eye.

And I could continue it even farther.

Who is pulling the strings for those factions? The puppetmaster may be
far from the actual government of those countries.

spider????

i thought you were more mature...ok i am getting that you will never
flex no matter what...your male ego??? what??

why do you pretend to know what you are saying ??

youtube ....is that the best you could do???

Spider.... when you lose my interest...it will also show up in your
life...
people will dismiss you. you will be condesended to and laughed at....

what you do in here with people is a reflection of what you do out
there.


so watch out ok!?....you are losing credibility fast...and last night
with that bored chick?? that was cheap.

i don't profess to be anything... i have no set of commandments i follow


you do...and you have betrayed them...do unto others as you would have
them do unto you... and blessed are the humble of heart....


good luck spider....

and it was not Hezbollah who signed the missiles but israeli children


and it was not hezbollah who targeted the sitre it was israel


and it is not true that they were not allowed to leave and trapped
inside

i was there

every day

what you are reading or seeing a hundred people have snipped together to
manufacture a story...you choose to believe it...


i was there i know what happened

oh yea and i do not support Hezbollah...they murdered my family between
1973 and 1980 those 6years are what destroyed my religion. and my
trust.

so don't go thinkin i am pro-syria or some crazy ****

Chew babe, you;ll get indigestion!!!!

oh oh oh ...i sure do wish you were a little closer...


i would come runnin.





i better not do this..it makes me sick...been vomiting since this
morning..
thanks spider..i guess i needed to clean up some of this grief left
inside me.
so you facilitated that and i am grateful


....spider
i am so sorry you are chosing to take the stance you take.

alex

bl8ant,

In my life, I am treated with respect and I respect others. Here, I am
verbally abused daily. I have had many many many posts about how much
someone would like to "crush" or "squash" or "kill" the frog, thinly
veiled death threats against me. From the day I first posted, I was
told that I live in a box. I have been told that I am indoctrinated and
not educated. I am stupid, because I believe the Bible. I'm a fanatic,
zealot, etc. You have read it, you have just choosen to ignore it.
Last night was giving them a taste of what they do to us daily. I'm a
human, sorry if I get frustrated that YOUR FRIENDS verbally abuse us
daily. Go to the religion forum and read some of the things that have
been said about BoredChick, Wonderman and I recently.

I might be wrong about Israel, but you aren't open to the idea that you
are wrong. So you continue on claiming to be a victim, because I CHOSE
TO OFFER MY OPINION. If I'm wrong, I can deal with that.

Also, I think you are talking about Qana 1996, while I'm talking about
Qana 2006. I don't know about 1996, I haven't researched it. But I
know that 2006 was orchestrated to cause civilian deaths, there is no
denying it when you look at all the facts and not just the crying faces.

Spider, you say that the Israelis 'gave warning' to the people living in
Qana.

Israel has no right to give warning to anyone, and kill them if they
don't comply with their warning. Don't you see what an indictment you
offer of Israel?

Think about it. Iran threatens to attack Israel, and warns all Israelis
to leave. Does that mean that Israel must comply, that Iran then has the
right to kill Israelis if they don't comply.

Think about it....

Spider, you say that you are abused, and I have no doubt that you speak
truthfully. But my experience of you is that you can be rude and
intolerant -- not always, but too often, and this only provokes the very
abuse you complain about.

Perhaps if you yourself were polite, genuinely open-minded, and
friendly, you would not attract the abuse that you do.

I offer you a deal: we can start from scratch. If you are polite to me
and others on these threads, I will treat you with respect, and
encourage others to do so as well.

Deal?

Oceans

Oceans5555,

Ocean, there are lots of videos and eye witness reports of Hezbollah
firing rockets into Israel from inside or just outside of apartment
buildings. Israel would have been justified in blowing up the building
with everyone in it, but they instead dropped flyers warning people to
get out. Israel is morally responsible to protect her people, so they
could not ignore the rockets and hope that too many people weren't
killed by them. They took action and they did it the most humane way
possible. The blame rests at the feet of Hezbollah. Lebenon was a
paradise before they were taken over by these radical groups. It's a
shame what is being done to the Lebanese people and I know that many of
them only go along with Hezbollah out of fear for their own lives.

i am sorry that people do what they do, i regret that you were
insulted, tho i am guilty myself of retaliation with wonderman. but it
was once and swift and over.

within the forums i think it's interesting to apply some principles of
Tai Chi within the dialogues and heated opinions that are exchanged.

i come in , bow, an offering of respect and thanks for the opportunity
to "do the work" which ever that may be specific to , but more
importantly THE WORK that reflects and mirrors the areas we need to
work on within ourselves... and that is always ~~squirmy~~


my intention is not to win, nor to knock down or knock over

my intention is to practice the correct principles and remain in balance

when i take affect from something someone says, i am in effect losing my
balance...i must correct and understand what caused weakness
there...what is my attachment..

at best i will be able to let go and advance, or maybe not let go but
examine why, recognize a limitation, exercise humility.

at worst i will land on my ass and make a fool out of myself...and act
out as irrationally as anyone we've seen here............well ok not
ANYONE...lol

anyway in Tai Chi it's pretty simple, and what seems to be that i am
ignoring what was going on is just purely that i had no idea , and i
imagine that you are courageously doing your best to embody your
principles.
i accepted my limitations in the religion forums and so i started a
thread called weapons.... i was busy with life if i had been there you
can be SURE i would have spoken up.

you must know that when you took it all on you would be tested.....

what i know about being tested ...it expands as you graduate...and to
the level of your genuine investment you will be tested according to
the level that you play on....

as you look at the balance in your moves in this site do you see where
you took affect and were shown the areas that needed work ? do you see
a bigger picture and that it could be useful to flex and be less focused
in the religion threads so we can get to know you.? you are not your
beliefs. you are you. and there is alot more there, that when shared
,will support the very teachings you want people to understand and
grasp.



in otherwords let yourself be enjoyed and then the ego or consciousness
on the other side can bend away from it's attachments and predjudice
and have a better possibility of reception to anything you want to
say...

i don't know why it is that boys grapple....i have a friend, he is 13,
he explained to me that when he went postal on another kid that was
someone he really liked he felt like he just had toget into him ..he
just had to have that energetic adrenalin body grabbing impact and force
and he wailed on his friend...but actually no serious wounds and he took
quite a beating as well...they were invigorated it was bizarre... i was
flabberghasted..and at the same time it made sense in a primal way

he said to me ..now we really KNOW each other.

i won't get into how you can apply this little story to yourself, or if
it will hit a chord in someone else...but the point is we get into it
with each othr also to testour boundaries to work out whee our triggers
lie...we need to know who is who out there and with this medium it is
unreliable...so we test and we test...and we test and we get tested

and some survive and some just can't be bothered and some relax and
enjoy whatever etc etc etc .. but we expose ourselve if we stay on long
enough and in my case if anough people have met you in the flesh and
don't come home with psycho stories...lol

well though duncan, aka belushi, has told many horror stories about my
science projects in the kitchen. my personal integrity has never been in
question.

back to tai chi.....so when someone attacks either move out of the way
or use their own momentum to deflect and they will crash themselves!

i don't think it is a conflict of interests to examine the virtues of
Tai Chi as it applies to how we communicate and understanding eachothers
languages.

anyone that belittles another only lowers themselves and loses a little
more integrity....we gamble with our integrity..we slip and lose
sometimes...we learn

as for Qana, it was 2006... you have to be able to see that it is also
in israel's interest to have it's controlled and massive influence in
the field of media and entertainment , offer you and the world the
picture that these primitive bearded heathens will martyr the lives of
whole families as sacreficial lambs.... it serves their
interests....they own THE INDUSTRY and it is nothing for heads to roll
or bribes and extortion to be dealt , in order to create the climate of
popular belief...they have experts that design propaganda as every
nation has.


the grape does not look like the vine...in other words just because you
don't see it doesn't mean it isn't there


so this is no longer a subject i can personally get into....

thank you for your open hand

Dont waste words,, squash the tree frogs.....


Keep it up spider and Ill tattle on you,

Fanta doesn't listen

Spider "I have had many many many posts about how much
someone would like to "crush" or "squash" or "kill" the frog, thinly
veiled death threats against me"

If there is anyon to tattle on, it would be you.