The upside of RFID and/or chip implants (more so with the implants) is that it will cut down on the ever increasing problem of Id theft and other kinds of theft. It will also make it much easier for the cops to catch the bad guys. However, in my opinion, I give up too much of my privacy and it gives the government too much information and power and I think that price is too high for my security. I'd rather take my chances with the bad guys than law enforcement and government.

Nevertheless, I am sure it is where we are headed and rather quickly.

Intersting how that kind of thing can happen.

Maybe it was "reading between the lines". Maybe it was pure coincidence. Maybe it was a case of "two wrongs making a right". Or maybe it was an example of "telepathic" communication that transcends mere words.

I like to think the latter.

Yeah, I think that bolded sentence pretty much says it all for me too.

One could look at it from the persepctive of "giving up power". A lot of "convenience" can be seen as "not wanting to deal with it ourselves". We don't want to deal with crime, so we have cops deal with it for us. We don't want to deal with dirty dishes so we have dishwashers to deal with them for us.

From a philosophical perspective, it could be seen as abdicating responsibility. The cops are responsible for dealing with crime. The dishasher is responsible for dealing with dirty dishes. I mean, we even blame inanimate objects for not doing what we want them to do - "D**n that dishwasher for not cleaning the dishes right!"

You may be right, but to a crack addict any amount of cash is a serious amount of cash.

Or to a minister whose church is on the brink of financial meltdown.

Or to a New Yorker belle who sees the pair of shoes she's been waiting for to go on sale, and today's the day, and she left her husband at home.

Goodness gracious, which body part do they plan to plant the chip?

By the way, my body is riddled with chips. There are a few on my shoulder, and in the first ten minutes of a movie I watch thre are chips all over the place in my inyards.

I think the price is actually higher than lack of privacy from, and more control by, the government. That you can get used to. The fatal flaw in the plan is that my weight will increase!! It may benefit anorexiacs, but for me it might be the last chip that breaks the camel's back. As it would for 87% of all Americans. Watch this not go into a plebiscite decision. The organizers (big dough guys) know too well what would happen. (A resounding "NO" vote.)

I guess for those who are willing to voluntarily get chipped, will get some incentive, like McDonalds' coupons or 5 Air Miles or a tea cup set.

Less need for police will drive for less need for taxes.

But I think the politicians will realize that they can easily steal the excess monies that get freed up from feeding police, so taxes will stay the same. And we can't even prosecute the politicians, because there will be no cops to do the job! Wow, what a concept. The holy grail of corrupt officialdom.

I actually thought this first. Now who's reading who's mind?

Good question. But an even more interesting question is did one actually come before the other?

Personally, I think the very concept of telepathy transcends space and time. And there is even some scientific evidence that indicates exactly that.

So here we are at one of the fundamental anomalies that plagues moderm physics - "instantaneous connection".

Welcome to the world of Quantum Mechanics.

EDIT: Sorry for the Off topic. We now resume our regularly scheduled program.

Exactly, And I think that is in the forefront of the minds of those who are opposed to it.

If power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, then what can we expect from a system that hands over more and more power to a select few?

The latest RFID technology is a tattoo/mark. (chipless).

SOMARK Innovations, Inc. recently completed a field demo of its patented Chipless RFID Ink Tattoo animal ID system. The demo proved the SOMARK system’s ability to apply a tattoo in less than three seconds and read the tattoo (translate the tattoo into a unique ID, with a handheld reader in real time). The demo was conducted at a private facility in the U.S.

Site Link:
http://somarkinnovations.com/


Video:
Somark wins Young entrepreneur of the year award

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLNbRXstJAU

Its a lot more complex the that sky. You have to admit that is merely a small aspect of this issue.

Wants are really trivial in the notion of governance. Resources are far more involved.

I would be curious to wonder what your opinion would be if you where raised in a small poor town in Dar fur, or in the congo, or in Rwanda. There I think Id rather loose privacy for security. Here with our comfortable lives and where security is common . . oh yea lets get upset about privacy, and prefer the bad guys who are hardly bad at all in contrast to the worlds REAL bad guys.

Its true. That is the concern. Checks and balances, but again who does the checking . . the only group that can really make a difference seems far to apathetic to really do anything but get polarized about party differences.

But we are probably getting a little too political for the science and philosophy forum, at least for me, so this is probably my last one here, ill lurk a bit longer tho just in case

It is horrifying. Convenient maybe, until the signals are disrupted by the destruction of satellites. Our society has already gotten into a critical dependence on computers and satellite signals, and even electronic cash registers etc. Once the power goes down we will be helpless and crippled completely.

To say that it is "inevitable" is a defeatist way to look at it. If it happens, we can only blame ourselves for letting it happen. It will probably happen.

Now you can make fun of me here. A total cashless society is the ultimate plan and always has been by the powers in charge of this world whether or not you believe aliens or involved or not.

They want total control of the monetary system, and to be able to track people and food, like cattle etc. They want to be able to control and track the trucking industry that delivers the food.

Once this is accomplished people will be at the mercy of the rulers (owners) of this earth. They will submit or cease to exist and function.

We will be tracked, we will be on camera everywhere. If you are not in the system, you will "cease to exist" within the system. You will not be able to do business anywhere.

If an underground society develops from this, they will live like animals or fugitives. No birth certificates, no bank accounts, living on the run or underground like the homeless. They will be "non-persons." If they are killed, the system will not prosecute because they did not exist in the system. If they are picked up, they will "disappear" never to be seen again.

This is our future. The people who live within the system will not even know what is going on.

When the power goes down, they will be helpless.

I don't really doubt what you are saying, JB. It just feels like there isn't anything we can do to stop it. It's overwhelming.

Well to stop it we would just about have to return to the stone age, and live like pioneers. We would have to grow our own food, fix meals the old fashioned way, send messages by horse back, etc. Wow, I'm not ready for that either.

I guess we will just have to submit to our masters and become part of the new world order then. Get your chips installed here folks. Get your number. Big brother needs to keep track of you.

Maybe that's the solution for those that can. Become self-sufficient now if you are able. It would be expensive and hard. I do know some people who have tried doing this. I have a friend on the east coast and she her husband have run into problems now because they are passing laws prohibiting gardens to be more than a certain size and laws that keep them from having too much livestock. But, that's probably part of their plan to keep people from becoming self sufficient.

Tell her to move to Colorado. I live in cattle country. The farmers here raise wheat and some corn, even onions. You can have as many cattle as you want ... so far. But the army wants to buy up all this property and use it for training military troops and testing new weapons. They will destroy this land. We are fighting against them and holding them at bay so far, but they are determined. Its kind of scary in a way. They are also building super highways through Texas and even here. There is a big plan in the works I think, to divide this country up and make north and south America into one country. (The new world Order plans are underway!) That is why they don't care about illegal aliens from Mexico and South America coming here.

I don’t think I’d necessarily agree with that. As I see it, the reason the resources are involved at all is because we want them.

It’s kinda like saying seeds are a trivial in the notion of trees. Yeah, you can say that, if all you’re concerned about is the properties of wood. But in the larger scheme of things, the seeds are an integral part of the whole cycle of wood supply over time.

Likewise it is the wants that give rise to governance. Without those wants, there would be no governance.

Well if I my circumstances dictated my opinions (which I won’t argue), and I experienced different circumstances, then I would have a different opinion.

So all I get from what you said is that you have your own opinions as to who “the REAL bad guys” are. But I don’t see how your opinion on that is any more valid/correct/right than anyone else’s, since it is all opinion based on circumstances.

Oh yeah, let’s all get upset about what someone else thinks we should get upset about, regardless of what our own opinions are.

You should have been a politician, I am always amazed that you can say so much without really saying anything.

And that said something???

Do you want to be the kettle or the pot. I'll take whichever one you don't want.

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People manifest their own reality.