I've been reading this book lately and some of you girls are FREAKS. I mean that in the best way possible.

Has no one read this book? Wow! Have a look.

http://www.amazon.com/My-Secret-Garden-Womens-Fantasies/dp/0671019872/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257003345&sr=1-1

Yes, I've read it. A long time ago. It's a pretty old book.

It is old. I think it came out in the 60s. Do you think it's less relevant today than it was then?

Yes, I think so. If I remember correctly, it was written as part of the whole "sexual liberation" movement in an effort to let women know than their sexual fantasies and desires were normal. Women were not "bad" for wanting or enjoying sex. While there is still a double standard in society, particularly in America, regarding women and sex, I don't think most women still feel bad or dirty or abnormal for having sexual desires and fantasies.

I think you should take a look at the forward Nancy Friday wrote for the new edition. She feels that the women's movement have all but left sex out completely. that the leaders of the current women's movement don't want sex brought up at all and will not discuss it.

Perhaps that is because it is a non-issue. Or at least way down on the list of problems facing women today. I'm not really in touch with the whole "feminist movement" so I don't really know. That would just be my guess.

My personal opinion is that our problem now is not the repression of female sexuality, but the expoitation of it. But, again, that is just my opinion. And, what do I know.

Maybe that's the trouble. Many of these fantasies are about being exploited and dominated. Many women seem to have a deep hidden desire to be held up and looked at or used by a number of different men while others watch. There is the other side of the coin of course. Women that fantasize about being a sort of slave master. However, the former appears more common than the latter.

Do you think women no longer have these types of fantasies?

That is a common, but incorrect interpretation of the fantasies. And, a dangerous one at that.

I'm really not sure what you're point is to this thread.

My point is to discuss the book and what it means today.

When I read chapter after chapter of women fantasizing about being kidnapped, raped, forced to have sex with animals, being gang banged etc. and they say it helps them to reach orgasm during intercourse with their lovers and then I go out to bars and play roll playing games with women about me being in charge over them and they play along and enjoy it. Then come home with me I have to think I'm playing into some fantasy.

I think women are still taught to bury their sexual desires deeply by not just by their mothers and fathers, but by society at large. I think many people in our culture have issues with a truly sexually liberated woman.

You said they have a deep hidden desire for this to happen. Do you understand the difference between role playing, fantasizing and what you said? They do not have a desire for this REALLY to happen. It is an important distinction.

If you are constantly meeting women who willingly act out this fantasy with you then how can you say it is a repressed fantasy? I agree that society at large has a problem with a sexually liberated woman. But the point of the book was to let women know that their fantasies were not abnormal or bad. I think most women are not ashamed of their fantasies and sexual desires.

No, I did not say women want this these kinds of things to happen. But, I do feel that deep inside most women do want a man strong enough to dominate them and enjoy playing out the submissive role.

This is not politically correct to say. It's my feeling that the modern women's movement would prefer to sweep this under the rug. Women all talk about wanting a relationship where both partners are equal, but fantasize about being dominated. That is how society represses women. They are not allowed to tell men what they really want for fear of being judged.

That is quite a generalization of women, but not an uncommon conclusion for a man to come to. Sexual fantasies are not a reliable way to determine what a person wants out of a long term relationship. There are too many factors that play into this including parenting, abuse, societal norms and individual pathology.

There are as many women who want to be submissive in a relationship as there are who don't. But, you won't be able to tell who she is based on her sexual fantasies.

Here's what I know. The more dominate I become out there, in the real world, the more cocky and arrogant, the more women want to date me. When I refuse to put up with rudeness or head games and don't take any BS from them they just want me. When I trick them into paying for my drinks it just turns them on. And the moment I start being "nice" to them, buying them things and such, they're no longer interested.

Men always say women only want A-holes. So, I became one. It's easier to become one than to change women's minds.

That's too bad you have to be someone you're not. I don't care for guys like that, but maybe I'm in the minority.

It's been an interesting conversation. Have a happy Halloween.

You misunderstand. I stopped being the phony, nice guy and became the naturally dominate man I'd always been inside that isn't afraid or social constraints.

It's only the "nice guys" that call me an A-hole. And that's only because I have sex with their women that don't want them.

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Heres some advice,Closed mouth gathers no feet.

I am afraid I do not see your point beyondthesea.