Yes. What's wrong with that? How much knowledge do you have of yourself? This is called "self awareness."



Yes. I agree.





If you can say that individuals are "eternal in their own right" and think that this covers "all the bases" then I can say that the first cause, the prime source, is eternal in its own right...(which I believe).. and then it grows via dividing itself.

I have NEVER said that individuals are "created." I said that they are 'manifested' from first cause, and are part of it.

The ONLY thing the makes them INDIVIDUALS is that they are identical to 'first cause' in that they have their own individual point of view, and their own Will....

Having individual point of view and their own will, means that they are identical to prime cause in the beginning. Then they manifest any way they choose.

That is how the universe expands. ... because individuals are completely FREE TO manifest anything they choose.

In the face of infinity, things can seem 'complex' just because it is so vastly unimaginable. But I don't think your hypothesis makes sense at all. It paints a picture of a stagnant whole that never grows and never changes.

Anything that does not grow or change is dead. This is a living, expanding whole. ("As above, so below.")

My 'higher self' incarnates and lives many lives in this matrix, I (this incarnation) am one of them. I am also my higher self. It is me.

My "inner psyche's" are many points of view, each with their own purpose, each in charge of certain information, each with their own opinions and points of view. I have become aware of them WITHIN ME -- and I acknowledge them as individuals even though I know they are different aspects of ME and my overall "person" OR PERSONA - in this life.

It does not seem complex at all to me. It is how infinity moves... infinitely.

Getting to know myself involves becoming aware of all of my inner psyche's and their purpose, their desires, their ideas and opinions etc. This is what I call "self awareness." It is a growth process.

Sky,

Here are my questions for you.

If all individuals are 'eternal' and separate, and have always existed, where did they come from? Where are they located? What do they do?

Are there a limited number of them? Does that number increase or stay the same? Are they all-knowing? If not, how much do they know? Where did they get their knowledge? How do they determine their individual purposes?

What kind of environment do they live in and why?

I agree. As I said, they both “cover all the bases”.

It’s just that my philosophy the spirit doesn’t “grow”. It only “changes viewpoint”. And no viewpoint is any “larger” than any other. They are just different.

Ok, then I misunderstood what you meant by “manifest”. My apologies on that.


Ok, I think I get it now.

As I see it, the main difference is that your philosophy requires a “Prime Cause” to manifest all other “individuals”, whereas in my view all “individuals” are eternally separate and equal with no dependency on any “Prime Cause”.

I think I’ve got it now. Thanks.

Now that you understand my view, would you answer the questions I have about yours?

I agree that no viewpoint is any "larger" than any other. I agree that 'spirit' changes viewpoints. I agree that spirit does not grow.

The body grows.

I also said that soul (spirit) can access other points of view. (Spirit flows through all points of view and that is how it is "all-knowing.) No single point of view can be all-knowing.

Therefore all we are essentially is a point of view.

I imagine the answer to that would be the same as “Where did your ‘Prime Cause’ come from”?

The answer lies in the fract that they are eternal. Something that is eternal did not “come from” anywhere or anything. It has no beginning and no end.

Since they are not dependent on spacetime, they are locaetd wherever they decide to be located – or not located anywhere if they don’t decide to be located anywhere.

Whatever they want to do, or nothing if they don’t want to.

Can’t say really. It never occurred to me to try and envision a count. And I’m, not even sure that “count” would be applicable – any more than “location” would be applicable. But from a “physical univers” perspective, considering the infinite size of this universe alone, not to mention the infinity of possible universes, I think the number would be close to, if not equal to, infinity. Personally, I lean toward infinity.

Since they are eternal, they do not “cease to exist” or “come into being”. So I don’t see how the overall number could change.

They know whatever they decide to know.

They don’t “get knowledge”, as if it were something they didn’t have and must acquire from outside source. They are the creators of knowledge.

However they wish. It is not a process of discovery, it is a decision.

Since they are creators of environments, they can live in whatever environment they choose, for whatever reason they choose. Or none at all if they don’t choose.

Now overall, I see those questions as only having meaning if the spirit is dependent on something else (e.g. location being dependent upon spacetime). But the most basic postulate of the whole philosophy is that the spirit is not dependent on anything. It may decide to operate as if it were dependent on something, but that is solely based on it’s own decision – which it can change at will.

That is one way of saying it, depending on what is meant by "point of view".

However, I would also say that we are "that which assumes a point of view". (Which is just another way of saying what you said - "soul (spirit) can access other points of view"). There is a subtle, but to me significant, difference between "being a point of view" and "assuming a point of view".

Not trying to argue, just clarify.

These are very unsatisfying non-answers as far as I am concerned.



How do they create knowledge? That makes no sense to me. You may as well have just answered my questions with: "Its a mystery." Because none of these answers make any sense.

As for where my "prime source" came from, I have some ideas, but its not something I feel needs to even be thought about at this point of existence. There is too much more to consider.

Yes, I agree. It would depend on your point of view and what you define as yourself.

Seriously it would. Ultimately we are "that which assumes a point of view"... which is our claim Godhood...(self)

Okay..now that the semantics are over <g>. Yes, I beleive in being recarnate. I have life dreams, memories. Once of being a very old woman, holding my husbands head as he died in my arms. We were in a cold stone building and wearing rags. I woke up with tears streaming down my face and cried like a child, very cold. That is one of many.
At the same time, very possible. Like the idea, something new to ponder.
Where do they new souls come from? this will start someone to screech. I have always been around animals, they are gentle souls.
Have emotions, feel and communicate. Dogs even reach the mental age of a 4 year old as far as comprehension- from what we can sumise. They also can be brutal and gang up, murder each other beyond survival.
Years ago...I noticed as our planet destroyed land and killed of species or downsized them at the same time our population was radically increasing. Were we side jumping evolution? Maybe we are primitive and go a scale of soul evolution also- well I feel like I have. Killing all those animals and people being born with the same mentality and aggression. You see serial killers, or just one whack job- raised right and boom. Something that went wrong in the brain? or early evolution? It's just a thought entertained and just as possible as any other.

"Point of veiw"

I call them "The eyes of Infinity."

They are individuals with the ability to perceive and the potential to know and decide.

I dunno.. I guarantee my other incarnations are just as horny as me tho....

Interesting theory.

This is similar to one that suggests that animal spirits are earth spirits and when there are no higher self spirits willing to take on the human form, and bodies are being born, that the earth spirit itself sends animal spirits to animate the human body. These humans are called "minions." They are animated by animal spirits which arise from the earth spirit which is a planetary spirit. A planetary spirit is said to animate all plants and animals on its surface.

Yes, I kinda figured that would be the case.

But I don’t know how to answer them any better.

The question about location is a perfect example.

How can spirit be said to have a location when the very definition of spirit says that location itself is a product spirit’s decision?


Look at it this way.

We seem to agree that a spirit can assume any viewpoint. And as I define it, viewpoint includes location. So the location of the spirit would depend on the viewpoint it assumed. And since the spirit is capable of assuming any viewpoint, or not, it is capable of occupying any location, or not.

Satisfying or not, the only reasonable answer to most of those questions is some form of – “It depends on the assumed viewpoint of the spirit”.

Anything else would make the spirit dependent upon the viewpoint, which flies directly in the face of the spirit assuming a viewpoint.

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Now that I think about it, there is something that is not clear to me. So let me ask you a couple questions:

Can the spirit choose not to assume a viewpoint? (Or to not be a viewpoint.)

Can the spirit choose any viewpoint it wants?

Can the spirit choose the composition/makeup of any viewpoint it assumes?

That depends if you mean that "spirit" is an individual soul or some sort of unconscious energy current.

If you are talking 'individual soul' or one that perceives, then it must have a viewpoint. It is an eye. (An eye of infinite consciousness or eye of infinity.)

Not having a view point is to be "unconscious" and "unaware" or "unborn" or "asleep."

An individual soul/spirit (I call it a unit of awareness or eye)-- can assume any veiwpoint that has descended from or that has been manifested by it personally.

If it ascends to "higher" viewpoints, it can assume any viewpoint in any descending line below that point, or it can continue to ascend to "higher" ones. (Imagine a family tree of your ancestors ascending and descending.)

So the answer is 'yes.' But ascension is required to access more viewpoints.



Yes. .....Scratch that answer... I don't think I understand the question.

I was looking to get more information about your concept of spirit. To me “unconscious energy current” has nothing to do with “spirit”. So I guess it would have to be the “individual soul” meaning, as you have expounded below.

Ok. I don’t hold the same view, but thanks for explaining yours.

Hmmm….

That seems to mean that a spirit cannot assume any viewpoint other than one’s that currently exist.

But that makes no sense at all so I must assume that the tree is capable of “sprouting a new branch” so to speak.

And there is where I get confused.

Is that new branch a “viewpoint” that is assumed by a spirit? Or is it a “spirit” that assumes a viewpoint?

If it’s a “viewpoint”, then where does the spirit that assumes it come from?

If it’s a “spirit” then where does the viewpoint it assumes come from?

And in all cases, what happens to a viewpoint when the spirit assumes a different viewpoint?

It depends on what you mean by "viewpoint." Are you talking about some kind of body when you say viewpoint?

Is it the body or the perceiver? At one time I felt a soul (on earth for example) could only operate a single body at one time. But this is not true because it has to do with "time" and the perceiver is outside of time.

Then I had a dream where in the dream I was one soul operating two bodies. In the dream, I was learning how to ride a motorcycle and I needed to focus on that task with one of my bodies so my other body decided to lay down and take a nap so I could focus on learning to ride the motorcycle without being distracted with what was going on around the other body. Under 'normal' circumstances I was able to operate the two bodies with no problem. But in that case I was learning something new, so I needed more focus. After that dream I reconsidered the idea that a soul/spirit could only operate one body at a time.

Then, I thought of 'hive mentality' and how the hive seems to 'know' what the whole body of the hive is doing. So, I am now thinking that a soul can operate more than one body at a time. BUT perhaps that cannot be considered a "different viewpoint" since all information is perceived by that single soul... with many bodies or "eyes."

A more simple example is two eyes.

We each have two eyes and each eye is literally a "point of view." Yet the perceiver is the one with the eyes. When painting a picture from life one day I noticed that it looked different when I closed one of my eyes. One eye was literally a 'point of view' and the other eye was a different point of view. Still it was me, the observer, who was receiving the visual signals and perceiving the image from two different points of view or visual points.

So we have to clarify what we mean by a "point of view."




These are good questions. I can only imagine the answers. Perhaps the viewpoints are like 'eyes' that are closed or not being used, and spirit simply opens them or uses them. Just like I can paint a picture with one eye closed so as not to have to try to paint the picture from two points of view.

And you might consider that an observer who "perceives and decides" could have many eyes or "probes" bringing it information and experience, and these eyes or probes could be different bodies or different life forms such as the case in my dream where I seemed to be able to operate two bodies. (Two bodies with the 'same' soul animating them.) That dream gave me a feeling of what that would be like to have and operate two bodies... but are two bodies to be considered two points of view? I was still a single soul,- I just had two bodies.

Then that leads to the idea.. if two bodies are possible... then more would probably be possible.

Now I have given all of this so much thought I need to go take a nap.

So...I never read that- just came to that through the earths energy. Makes alot of sense fto me. Some are old souls, some are new. Thank you.