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Topic: Credit card reform penalizes good customers as predicted
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Wed 10/14/09 08:14 PM

Don't you just LOVE getting in line behind a bunch of people at the fast checkout who each whip out a credit card to pay for a chocolate milk and a bag of peanuts? Think of all the lost time, not to mention that prices are higher for everyone because of the merchant fees the credit card companies collect.

As for being penalized, some people seem to forget that wave after wave of bank mergers created these big Goliaths that became a law unto themselves. Without competition, they know they can charge all kinds of fees, raise the rates through the roof and then point the finger at the deadbeats. Deadbeats that they THEMSELVES issued cards to, knowing they could clip them for 30% after they had them snagged, and because their lobbyists got their mostly GOP friends in Congress to change the bankruptcy laws locking them in.

I have a card with a big bank, and they are extremely annoying. I get a call about every other week from them hawking some new financial product they want me to charge.

I'm sure things will get SOOOO much better when the One Big Bank Of America is the only card issuer left. I, for one, welcome our new financial overlords.

-Kerry O., "BTW, that last line was sarcasm."


Nah, I think I was behind you when you paid in cash and the cashier didn't have enough quarters or pennies and had to open the rolls and put them in the drawer. Then she had to turn to the other cashier and get change in 5 ones, a five, and a ten for a twenty. Or were you the guy that wrote the check, waiting until all your groceries had been tallied? Maybe you are the guy that paid with your payroll check.

laugh laugh laugh

Man, cards are definitely faster.

And I wonder if our government was behind in anyway of all that "easy credit".


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Thu 10/15/09 09:35 PM


Don't you just LOVE getting in line behind a bunch of people at the fast checkout who each whip out a credit card to pay for a chocolate milk and a bag of peanuts? Think of all the lost time, not to mention that prices are higher for everyone because of the merchant fees the credit card companies collect.

As for being penalized, some people seem to forget that wave after wave of bank mergers created these big Goliaths that became a law unto themselves. Without competition, they know they can charge all kinds of fees, raise the rates through the roof and then point the finger at the deadbeats. Deadbeats that they THEMSELVES issued cards to, knowing they could clip them for 30% after they had them snagged, and because their lobbyists got their mostly GOP friends in Congress to change the bankruptcy laws locking them in.

I have a card with a big bank, and they are extremely annoying. I get a call about every other week from them hawking some new financial product they want me to charge.

I'm sure things will get SOOOO much better when the One Big Bank Of America is the only card issuer left. I, for one, welcome our new financial overlords.

-Kerry O., "BTW, that last line was sarcasm."


Nah, I think I was behind you when you paid in cash and the cashier didn't have enough quarters or pennies and had to open the rolls and put them in the drawer. Then she had to turn to the other cashier and get change in 5 ones, a five, and a ten for a twenty. Or were you the guy that wrote the check, waiting until all your groceries had been tallied? Maybe you are the guy that paid with your payroll check.

laugh laugh laugh

Man, cards are definitely faster.

And I wonder if our government was behind in anyway of all that "easy credit".




Sorry, none of the above. I pay cash for everything and many times do the math in my head and have pretty close to the exact amount ready.
I don't write checks because of all the shenningans.

I think it's much more likely that some problem with the credit card or terminal is going to hold the line up.

Besides, if you're one of those people who think Big Brother is always watching, what better way to make it easy for him than to use digital money?

I also think that credit cards encourage implusive and sometimes reckless spending because they are not 'real' money. You know that when you surrender your currency to buy something, you get instant feedback that you have less of it after a transaction. It serves to make you aware that you worked X amount of hours to get Y amount of currency. That in and of itself encourages thrift. Instant gratification sometimes makes you forget that other part of the equation.

-Kerry O.

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Thu 10/15/09 09:45 PM

I also think that credit cards encourage implusive and sometimes reckless spending because they are not 'real' money. You know that when you surrender your currency to buy something, you get instant feedback that you have less of it after a transaction. It serves to make you aware that you worked X amount of hours to get Y amount of currency. That in and of itself encourages thrift. Instant gratification sometimes makes you forget that other part of the equation.

-Kerry O.


I hear you... I do use a debit with a local bank, cost me nothing to use it and I always know I can not spend more than I have. You really get so used to it, and used to thrift, it is just habit now. And boy am I glad of that because when the bad economy hit I was far less affected then people around me.

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Fri 10/16/09 06:54 PM


I also think that credit cards encourage implusive and sometimes reckless spending because they are not 'real' money. You know that when you surrender your currency to buy something, you get instant feedback that you have less of it after a transaction. It serves to make you aware that you worked X amount of hours to get Y amount of currency. That in and of itself encourages thrift. Instant gratification sometimes makes you forget that other part of the equation.

-Kerry O.


I hear you... I do use a debit with a local bank, cost me nothing to use it and I always know I can not spend more than I have. You really get so used to it, and used to thrift, it is just habit now. And boy am I glad of that because when the bad economy hit I was far less affected then people around me.


Same here. And isn't it funny that for being some of the most progressive posters on this forum, we're pretty fiscally conservative?

Many years ago, I bought term life insurance from a company that also sold investment vehicles. Their motto was 'Buy Term and invest the difference' and one of their other strategies was "Pay yourself first". What they meant by that was that one needed to put a certain percentage of one's income away BEFORE any discretionary spending kicked in.

Good thing I adhered to that practice, because it kept me from going during the lean periods when my health problems kept me on the sidelines.

I think one point the OP misses is that the credit card companies helped create their own monsters. Who is crazier: the person that allows themselves to get trapped in a revolving credit account with a compound interest rate of > 30% or the companies that would take such a huge risk on people stupid enough to fall in the trap and then try to get the proverbial blood from the stone from those so trapped?

-Kerry O.


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Fri 10/16/09 08:42 PM
Edited by crickstergo on Fri 10/16/09 09:03 PM



Don't you just LOVE getting in line behind a bunch of people at the fast checkout who each whip out a credit card to pay for a chocolate milk and a bag of peanuts? Think of all the lost time, not to mention that prices are higher for everyone because of the merchant fees the credit card companies collect.

As for being penalized, some people seem to forget that wave after wave of bank mergers created these big Goliaths that became a law unto themselves. Without competition, they know they can charge all kinds of fees, raise the rates through the roof and then point the finger at the deadbeats. Deadbeats that they THEMSELVES issued cards to, knowing they could clip them for 30% after they had them snagged, and because their lobbyists got their mostly GOP friends in Congress to change the bankruptcy laws locking them in.

I have a card with a big bank, and they are extremely annoying. I get a call about every other week from them hawking some new financial product they want me to charge.

I'm sure things will get SOOOO much better when the One Big Bank Of America is the only card issuer left. I, for one, welcome our new financial overlords.

-Kerry O., "BTW, that last line was sarcasm."


Nah, I think I was behind you when you paid in cash and the cashier didn't have enough quarters or pennies and had to open the rolls and put them in the drawer. Then she had to turn to the other cashier and get change in 5 ones, a five, and a ten for a twenty. Or were you the guy that wrote the check, waiting until all your groceries had been tallied? Maybe you are the guy that paid with your payroll check.

laugh laugh laugh

Man, cards are definitely faster.

And I wonder if our government was behind in anyway of all that "easy credit".





I think it's much more likely that some problem with the credit card or terminal is going to hold the line up.

I also think that credit cards encourage implusive and sometimes reckless spending because they are not 'real' money. You know that when you surrender your currency to buy something, you get instant feedback that you have less of it after a transaction. It serves to make you aware that you worked X amount of hours to get Y amount of currency. That in and of itself encourages thrift. Instant gratification sometimes makes you forget that other part of the equation.

-Kerry O.


Nah, cash is out of date or soon will be. Some places don't even accept it anymore.

Your Honor, Mr. Judge, its the credit card companies fault that I had instant gratificatiion!

laugh laugh laugh


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Fri 10/16/09 10:36 PM
Edited by Atlantis75 on Fri 10/16/09 10:37 PM

Don't you just LOVE getting in line behind a bunch of people at the fast checkout who each whip out a credit card to pay for a chocolate milk and a bag of peanuts? Think of all the lost time, not to mention that prices are higher for everyone because of the merchant fees the credit card companies collect.



My mom wasn't buying "chocolate milk. with it, thank you very much. She runs a small business and thanks to the crooks up there in Washington DC, her credit line is getting ruined. You can't run a small business without a line of credit and one way or another you will have to borrow money for something, that has to be paid back. Small business owners either start or maintain business by using a line of credit and we aren't talking about some 3000 dollar credit card , but we are talking about 100, 200 thousand.

I hate to see people cheering for the destruction of middle america and the destruction of small business owners, that's all. Once they all gone, welcome to Communist China or even worse. explode


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Sat 10/17/09 06:34 PM


Don't you just LOVE getting in line behind a bunch of people at the fast checkout who each whip out a credit card to pay for a chocolate milk and a bag of peanuts? Think of all the lost time, not to mention that prices are higher for everyone because of the merchant fees the credit card companies collect.



My mom wasn't buying "chocolate milk. with it, thank you very much. She runs a small business and thanks to the crooks up there in Washington DC, her credit line is getting ruined. You can't run a small business without a line of credit and one way or another you will have to borrow money for something, that has to be paid back. Small business owners either start or maintain business by using a line of credit and we aren't talking about some 3000 dollar credit card , but we are talking about 100, 200 thousand.

I hate to see people cheering for the destruction of middle america and the destruction of small business owners, that's all. Once they all gone, welcome to Communist China or even worse. explode





I can't see how you could possibly twist what I said credibly to suggest I'm for the destruction of small business.

If anything, it's the credit card companies using their power to make life miserable for small business people. Read the news-- you'll see how, even as we speak, business people are fighting Big Credit tooth and nail for equitable treatment.

As to your assertion that a small businessperson can't possibly operate without a line of credit, I beg to differ. I did it both part-time and fulltime for a total of about 15 years out of a checking account and credit card with $1000 limit, always paying in full within the 30 day grace period.

As to lines of credit, any business with a good D&B rating can ALWAYS get better terms from a bank than the insane rates some credit card issuers charge.

So before you accuse me of cheering for the destruction of small business, you might want to check your facts.

-Kerry O.

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Sun 10/18/09 08:51 AM

in other words, since Congress is regulating the gouging, they have found another way to do it


Yep, business as usual with the criminals in government. :tongue:

Winx's photo
Tue 10/20/09 09:12 PM



Don't you just LOVE getting in line behind a bunch of people at the fast checkout who each whip out a credit card to pay for a chocolate milk and a bag of peanuts? Think of all the lost time, not to mention that prices are higher for everyone because of the merchant fees the credit card companies collect.

As for being penalized, some people seem to forget that wave after wave of bank mergers created these big Goliaths that became a law unto themselves. Without competition, they know they can charge all kinds of fees, raise the rates through the roof and then point the finger at the deadbeats. Deadbeats that they THEMSELVES issued cards to, knowing they could clip them for 30% after they had them snagged, and because their lobbyists got their mostly GOP friends in Congress to change the bankruptcy laws locking them in.

I have a card with a big bank, and they are extremely annoying. I get a call about every other week from them hawking some new financial product they want me to charge.

I'm sure things will get SOOOO much better when the One Big Bank Of America is the only card issuer left. I, for one, welcome our new financial overlords.

-Kerry O., "BTW, that last line was sarcasm."


Nah, I think I was behind you when you paid in cash and the cashier didn't have enough quarters or pennies and had to open the rolls and put them in the drawer. Then she had to turn to the other cashier and get change in 5 ones, a five, and a ten for a twenty. Or were you the guy that wrote the check, waiting until all your groceries had been tallied? Maybe you are the guy that paid with your payroll check.

laugh laugh laugh

Man, cards are definitely faster.

And I wonder if our government was behind in anyway of all that "easy credit".




Sorry, none of the above. I pay cash for everything and many times do the math in my head and have pretty close to the exact amount ready.
I don't write checks because of all the shenningans.

I think it's much more likely that some problem with the credit card or terminal is going to hold the line up.

Besides, if you're one of those people who think Big Brother is always watching, what better way to make it easy for him than to use digital money?

I also think that credit cards encourage implusive and sometimes reckless spending because they are not 'real' money. You know that when you surrender your currency to buy something, you get instant feedback that you have less of it after a transaction. It serves to make you aware that you worked X amount of hours to get Y amount of currency. That in and of itself encourages thrift. Instant gratification sometimes makes you forget that other part of the equation.

-Kerry O.


I only use cash or checks. I got rid of my charge card years ago. I had it for years. It got too easy to use. I would use it even when I had the cash. I decided that I was keeping that interest payment for me.

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