Healthcare system modeled after the ones in Europe is what you want?

here's a peek at the future:

OMG how sad.

It's only a shame that those will say it's not true.
I saw this article and just have a hard time with it because it makes me wonder if we do get national healthcare what will happen with my mother.

yea!!!! single payer health care!!!!

The facts are that the proposed health care system is moving in this direction.

Only the ignorant agree with this plan, perhaps we should euthanize the ignorant

That is a horrible thing to happen to a person.

We are not going to have death panels.

No one called it a death panel.
But that is what there end of life counselors decided about her.

I worry about my grandparents. My grandmother has had a mastectomy, back surgeries and recently small heart attacks and strokes. she has private health care from my grandfather working for Lockheed for as long as I can remember but also has medicare. My grandfather is just a few years behind her too

you're oh so right.. because this gov't take over of the health care industry is NOT going to happen.. despite the Stalinist propaganda tactics on the part of The One!

It is against a counselor's rules to decide things for us here. They may suggest but they shouldn't ever decide.

It could very well happen.

In two days I hope to attend a "Public Option" Health Care Rally at my Senator's office.

There is nothing about death panels in the health care plan.

Insurances already do it in their own way.

(quote)By now, Americans are familiar with the stories of Canadians who would have died because of their government's health care rationing had they not been able to get care in the United States. Perhaps just as troubling, however, are the less dramatic but much more common instances of minor indignities, inequities and inconveniences imposed by the Canadian health care system.
Nearly every Canadian has such stories. Even the experiences of those satisfied with the country's health care system show that residents have resigned themselves to accepting as "normal" the systemic dysfunctions that would deeply trouble most U.S. citizens.
For years the United States has served as a relief valve for the overburdened Canadian health care system.
A typical story comes from Tim Hodges of London, Ontario, who has been taking Ibuprofen for nine months to deal with pain in his arms. He made an appointment to see his primary care physician, who said that Ibuprofen should not be used consecutively for more than two weeks. When X-rays revealed no obvious problems, the doctor asked whether the pain was unbearable. Tim said no and was told to make a new appointment if it worsened — and meanwhile keep taking the Ibuprofen he'd been scolded for relying on!
A minor gripe, but vaguely disquieting given that the doctor is essentially a government functionary. Actually, Tim is fortunate even to have a primary care physician, because the inability to obtain one is among the system's most glaring shortcomings. These doctors act as "gatekeepers," and finding one is a critical first step for obtaining any care outside of emergency rooms or specialized clinics targeted at certain populations.
I'm from Windsor and am lucky not to be among the ranks of the 4.1 million Canadians (about 12 percent) who don't have a primary care physician. The reason I have a doctor and they don't, frankly, is because I have connections.
When my mother began working with a woman whose husband works in the same building as a large medical clinic, this colleague (via her husband) was able to get my mother an appointment with a doctor there. After about a year, my mom managed to get me a spot in the practice, too.
My doctor is a wonderful physician, but she's terribly overburdened. Like most Canadian doctors, she must limit patients to one problem per visit, in part to cope with the sheer volume, and in part because the Ontario Health Insurance Plan only reimburses her on a per-visit basis. This is an example of how government price controls that limit the compensation to health care professionals can create shortages among providers.
So even though I'm one of the lucky ones who has a primary care physician, except for emergencies I still can expect to wait two months or more to get an appointment.
What's troubling is that situations like mine are accepted as "normal" under Canada's single-payer health care system. Even as they defend their system, many middle-class Canadians recount similar tales of using social networks to secure access to timely care, while resigning themselves to long waits for "non-necessary" medical care and diagnostic medicine.
Even more disturbing is the impact of this system on people who lack the ability to use social connections to get around the queues - typically the disadvantaged members of Canadian society.
For years the United States has served as a relief valve for the overburdened Canadian health care system. If a patient's wait time is longer than the legislated maximum, then Canadians are allowed to seek care at American facilities — but only ones that government bureaucrats deem appropriate. This means that a person from Windsor might have to travel to Buffalo for a surgery that could be done in Detroit.
Backers of a single-payer system in the United States should never forget that "coverage" under a government plan is not the same thing as "access to health care." This leads to a disturbing thought. When the Canadians' system fails them, they come to the United States for health care. If a "public option" leads to a single-payer, government-run health care system in the United States, where will Americans go? (quote)

http://mackinac.org/article.aspx?ID=10914

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=2753

I pray we can stave off this horrible idea of socialized healthcare

ok...I know I have gone scatter brained a couple of times lately....but explain this death panel thingy please

not if they're the ones scratching the check...

They have a moral obligation to suggest and not decide things to their patients. I know their rules.

dangerous naïveté.. utterly dangerous..

Not naive at all. It's called experience. I've worked in that business.

It's pretty naive to think these things don't happen in our current system. I say leave it the way it is and let the insurers bleed everyone from their wallets as they have for years, and now say they will continue to do no matter what comes out of the white house, yupper pretty bold, but what's new.

What the hell, I might as well join the ranks of the 'I could care less about anyone but myself' crowd. But hell if you can find something wrong anywhere in the world you can compare it to something we have never even had yet. What the hell...

Personally I think the whole health care things is getting so bogged down by bs and insurer demands we'll end up with something barely resembling what Obama wanted anyway.

I don't give a rats a$$ anymore, it's just become a circus.

I wish that they would quit butchering Obama's public option plan.