Topic: Does anyone have a scientific basis to believe in Bigfoot?
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Wed 10/07/09 09:52 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 10/07/09 09:55 PM
So what kind of 'dimension' could that be that has prehistoric creatures whose material bodies are so dense that our bullets can't really do much damage?

I think it has to do with time.

As time moves forward --or rather as we move forward in time -- I believe that the structure of matter itself is changing vibration and density. This would mean that creatures from the past, if they could slip through to our time dimension would be denser in their physical structure.

Rifs in the space-time fabric of this reality has opened holes into other dimensions and sometime things slip through.

Intelligent, non-human sentient entities (or aliens with technology) may have learned how to open such vortexes to come through to our world or space-time.




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Wed 10/07/09 10:06 PM
P.S.

I think people who go looking for Big Foot as if they were looking for a creature that lives in this reality like a bear or lion etc. is clueless about what is really happening.

They end up barking up the wrong trees every time. If they do encounter something it might be so strange they will not be prepared to deal with it.




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Thu 10/08/09 09:27 AM
Edited by jrbogie on Thu 10/08/09 09:53 AM

i'd have to repeat myself after your repeating yourself. we simply disagree. to the op, my answer is no, there is no scientific basis to even support a hypethosis much less a theory that bigfoot exists.
Doesn't that depend on what one considers to be "scientific basis"? Isn't "observation" a critical part of the scientific process?


sure. what scientist has observed something that he/she hypothecises is big foot? observation of materiel evidence is indeed useful in science. but video doesn't work nor does anecdotal "reporting". a biologist for instance might say, "if this video does accurately portray a real big foot and if we could observe, and perform tests then perhaps we'd have a basis for theorizing." that's as far as a credible scientist would go and may be going to far as science is concerned.

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Thu 10/08/09 03:21 PM
Edited by wux on Thu 10/08/09 03:24 PM
Guys!! this is driving me nuts. It's getting to the point of no return of "crazy". The demand for definitions.

1. Define "bigfoot".
2. Define "science".
3. Define "anecdotal evidence".
4. Define "define".
5. Define "gfy".
6. Define "god".
7. Define "mental illness".
8. Define "semantics".
9. Define "equivalence".

This has got to stop, I'm telling you.

Or not. Please yourselves. Carry on. As you were.

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Thu 10/08/09 03:28 PM
Edited by jrbogie on Thu 10/08/09 03:47 PM

Guys!! this is going crazy. The demand for definitions.

1. Define "bigfoot".
2. Define "science".
3. Define "anecdotal evidence".
4. Define "define".
5. Define "gfy".
6. Define "god".
7. Define "mental illness".
8. Define "semantics".
9. Define "equivalence".

This has got to stop, I'm telling you.

Or not. Please yourselves.


hahahaha. this has got to stop so you ask for no less than nine definitions of words that nobody seems to agree on which is why this doesn't stop? did you not just throw the proverbial kerosene on this fire? ok who's going take number one? i wear a size 11D in tennis shoes but wingtips smaller than 11 1/2 pinch. .hahahahaha? man i love this place.

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Thu 10/08/09 03:44 PM

P.S.

I think people who go looking for Big Foot as if they were looking for a creature that lives in this reality like a bear or lion etc. is clueless about what is really happening.

They end up barking up the wrong trees every time. If they do encounter something it might be so strange they will not be prepared to deal with it.






I don't bark up trees for that very reason.

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Thu 10/08/09 03:55 PM

Guys!! this is driving me nuts. It's getting to the point of no return of "crazy". The demand for definitions.

1. Define "bigfoot".
2. Define "science".
3. Define "anecdotal evidence".
4. Define "define".
5. Define "gfy".
6. Define "god".
7. Define "mental illness".
8. Define "semantics".
9. Define "equivalence".

This has got to stop, I'm telling you.

Or not. Please yourselves. Carry on. As you were.


Go get a dictionary or do a search on google. It is not up to us to define everything for you. laugh laugh

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Fri 10/09/09 05:19 AM


i'd have to repeat myself after your repeating yourself. we simply disagree. to the op, my answer is no, there is no scientific basis to even support a hypethosis much less a theory that bigfoot exists.
Doesn't that depend on what one considers to be "scientific basis"? Isn't "observation" a critical part of the scientific process?


sure. what scientist has observed something that he/she hypothecises is big foot? observation of materiel evidence is indeed useful in science. but video doesn't work nor does anecdotal "reporting". a biologist for instance might say, "if this video does accurately portray a real big foot and if we could observe, and perform tests then perhaps we'd have a basis for theorizing." that's as far as a credible scientist would go and may be going to far as science is concerned.

So what you are saying is--(correct me if I'm wrong) video or claims from non-scientist is to be ignored or considered hoax, delusion, or whatever? With that being said have any credible scientist actually searched for big-foot, or would that be so detrimental to their career as to prohibit entirely? BTW I would like to see a body, but I believe there have been enough reports to indicate something might be there. Basically, it's an interesting topic.

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Fri 10/09/09 05:21 AM
yes, a female lives in the wh house

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Fri 10/09/09 06:23 AM
"Jeff Meldrum is a scientist, an expert in human locomotor adaptations. In Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science he examines all evidence critically, not to force a conclusion, but to establish a baseline of facts upon which further research can depend. His science is not submerged by opinion and dogmatic assumption. With objectivity and insight he analyzes evidence from tracks, skin ridges on the soles of feet, film footage, and DNA, and he compares it to that on primates and various other species. He disentangles fact from anecdote, supposition, and wishful thinking, and concludes that the search for yeti and sasquatch is a valid scientific endeavor. By offering a critical scrutiny, Sasquatch does more for this field of investigation than all the past arguments and polemics of contesting experts."
--Dr. George Schaller, Vice-President of the Wildlife Conservation

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Fri 10/09/09 08:19 PM

"Jeff Meldrum is a scientist, an expert in human locomotor adaptations. In Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science he examines all evidence critically, not to force a conclusion, but to establish a baseline of facts upon which further research can depend. His science is not submerged by opinion and dogmatic assumption. With objectivity and insight he analyzes evidence from tracks, skin ridges on the soles of feet, film footage, and DNA, and he compares it to that on primates and various other species. He disentangles fact from anecdote, supposition, and wishful thinking, and concludes that the search for yeti and sasquatch is a valid scientific endeavor. By offering a critical scrutiny, Sasquatch does more for this field of investigation than all the past arguments and polemics of contesting experts."
--Dr. George Schaller, Vice-President of the Wildlife Conservation


wonder why his research has yet to garner the attention of the rest of the science world. surely if there was anything to his to his research of the legend, evolutionary biologists would be all over it i'd think.

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Fri 10/09/09 09:51 PM
i'd have to repeat myself after your repeating yourself. we simply disagree. to the op, my answer is no, there is no scientific basis to even support a hypethosis much less a theory that bigfoot exists.
Doesn't that depend on what one considers to be "scientific basis"? Isn't "observation" a critical part of the scientific process?
sure. what scientist has observed something that he/she hypothecises is big foot? observation of materiel evidence is indeed useful in science. but video doesn't work nor does anecdotal "reporting". a biologist for instance might say, "if this video does accurately portray a real big foot and if we could observe, and perform tests then perhaps we'd have a basis for theorizing." that's as far as a credible scientist would go and may be going to far as science is concerned.
But you said “scientific basis” not “observed by a scientist”. You seem to be saying now that one must have some sort of credentials in order to use the scientific method. Or that only those with such credentials are able to determine what is or is not scientific basis. Basically, it looks to me to be an argument based more on "authority" than on logic. “It ain’t so because ‘the scientists’ say it ain’t so.”

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Fri 10/09/09 09:57 PM
Edited by SkyHook5652 on Fri 10/09/09 10:25 PM
"Jeff Meldrum is a scientist, an expert in human locomotor adaptations. In Sasquatch: Legend Meets Science he examines all evidence critically, not to force a conclusion, but to establish a baseline of facts upon which further research can depend. His science is not submerged by opinion and dogmatic assumption. With objectivity and insight he analyzes evidence from tracks, skin ridges on the soles of feet, film footage, and DNA, and he compares it to that on primates and various other species. He disentangles fact from anecdote, supposition, and wishful thinking, and concludes that the search for yeti and sasquatch is a valid scientific endeavor. By offering a critical scrutiny, Sasquatch does more for this field of investigation than all the past arguments and polemics of contesting experts."
--Dr. George Schaller, Vice-President of the Wildlife Conservation
wonder why his research has yet to garner the attention of the rest of the science world. surely if there was anything to his to his research of the legend, evolutionary biologists would be all over it i'd think.
Simple answer: Ridicule. That has always been one of, if not the, biggest barrier to research of any kind into anything that goes against the opinions of "the powers that be" - whether those powers are social, political, religious or scientific.

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Fri 10/09/09 10:00 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 10/09/09 10:01 PM
Yeh, I get really annoyed with that "authority" method of trying to prove something.

My authority is bigger and better than yours.... its silly.

Besides, the aliens control the highest scientific authorities and they would not put their stamp of approval on any such scientific findings even if there were some.

And as I said, Big foot, is a creature that comes through to this world the same way the aliens do.. through a vortex and back again. They don't want that kind of information to get out. laugh laugh laugh

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Sat 10/10/09 09:06 PM

there is wayyyy too much anecdotal evidence to just dismiss it as fantasy

the native americans had stories of bigfoot hundreds of years before white men stepped foot on the continent




Right on. In fact, the Native Americans had stories of bigfoot hundreds of years before even bigfoot stepped foot on the continent.

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Sat 10/10/09 09:11 PM

Simple answer: Ridicule. That has always been one of, if not the, biggest barrier to research of any kind into anything that goes against the opinions of "the powers that be" - whether those powers are social, political, religious or scientific.


... or personal, individual, familial, filial, juxtapositorial, addressognostacomical, metrosexual, or epicuro-incremental.

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Sat 10/10/09 09:20 PM
Simple answer: Ridicule. That has always been one of, if not the, biggest barrier to research of any kind into anything that goes against the opinions of "the powers that be" - whether those powers are social, political, religious or scientific.
... or personal, individual, familial, filial, juxtapositorial, addressognostacomical, metrosexual, or epicuro-incremental.
Well I guess that would be true - if those factors were considered to be "powers", which I personally don't so I left them out.

:wink:

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Sat 10/10/09 09:57 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 10/10/09 09:58 PM


Simple answer: Ridicule. That has always been one of, if not the, biggest barrier to research of any kind into anything that goes against the opinions of "the powers that be" - whether those powers are social, political, religious or scientific.


... or personal, individual, familial, filial, juxtapositorial, addressognostacomical, metrosexual, or epicuro-incremental.


Ridicule by whom? And who starts this ridicule? I will give you a clue. ..The powers that be who do not want certain things to be known by the public to include UFO's and cattle mutilations and other strange goings on that are covered up BY OUR OWN MILITARY.

This is A FACT PEOPLE!! I lived in Colorado Springs for 20 years where cattle were being butchered in strange ways and no one was ever caught or seen doing it right in people's back yards and even a buffalo in the Colorado Springs Zoo!

So what happened was the authorities were called and the Military got involved. Don't ask me why the military, I don't know why the local law enforcement could not investigate this if they thought it was normal vandals or predators.

So what does the military do in each and every case? They pick up the animal and you NEVER HEAR FROM THEM ABOUT IT AGAIN.

It is the same with BIGFOOT. If one was ever captured or killed, probably the same thing would happen, then it would just be said to be a rumor.

Seriously, people should wake up and start asking questions and demanding answers.


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Sun 10/11/09 10:00 AM
Edited by jrbogie on Sun 10/11/09 10:16 AM

But you said “scientific basis” not “observed by a scientist”.


no the op asked about "scientific basis" not if scientists have observed. i've no clue what every scientist has observed. my answer is based on my understanding that i've seen no reports that trained scientists agree that evidence has been subjected to the severe scrutiny of defined scientific methodology and suggests a scientific basis for big foot.

You seem to be saying now that one must have some sort of credentials in order to use the scientific method. Or that only those with such credentials are able to determine what is or is not scientific basis.


who if not scientists who should define scientific method?

Basically, it looks to me to be an argument based more on "authority" than on logic. “It ain’t so because ‘the scientists’ say it ain’t so.”


may be how it looks to you but i never said that "it ain't so because the scientists say it ain't so." i answered the op's question which asks if anybody, i'm somebody, knows of a scientific basis for big foot.

creditentials are important to me when one claims a scientific basis. and even scientists don't always agree what phenomena has a scientific basis. i hear often from the god fearing that some scientist or other has discovered a scientific basis for the possibility of god or that god caused the big bang. that doesn't make it credible scientifically and never engenders much support amoung scientists as a whole. the same is the case with big foot.

scientific methodology is extremly severe and well defined. it requires evidence that can be tested to produce repeatable and predictable results. again, the op asked if anybody knows of a scientific basis for big foot. as i understand scientific methodology, to form such a basis my answer is no. if you and i cannot agree on what scientific methodology is then the arguement ends there. if you consider that scientific methodology means analysing a youtube video then your answer to the op is yes. we simply disagree.

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Sun 10/11/09 10:33 AM

Simple answer: Ridicule. That has always been one of, if not the, biggest barrier to research of any kind into anything that goes against the opinions of "the powers that be" - whether those powers are social, political, religious or scientific.


not so in the least. the faithful cannot understand why science doesn't study the bible for the answers to the beginnings of the universe or the ascension of the species. simple answer. they conclude that spending limited resources where it is doubtful answers will be found is a waste of time, money and assets that could be better spent elswhere. big foot is no different. i cannot imagine that almost every evolutionary biologist on the planet has not looked at claims that big foot is the missing link and determined that there is simply no credible reason to continue persuing the concept. has nothing to do with ridicule. has everything to do with limited time and resources.

why don't you read the intire koran to see if the jihadists have a point? then you can start on the talmud. conspiracy theorists would really like you to investigate the moon landings that they claim were actually filmed on a hollywood sound stage. then there are the chemtrails, cruise missles bringing down the world trade center. you could stay busy reading such rubbish the rest of your life. why don't you?