In a study just reported in the New England journal of medicine from the 2007-8 flu season the shot was twice as effective. Here is an article about it.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/09/24/MNDA19RL9D.DTL

The above article notes that there are studies which show the opposite in some instances for children and that no one knows if H1N1 spray vs. shot is more effective but that since it is a new strain there may not be such a pronounced difference.

The doctors cited in the news article still recommend vaccination as early as possible for H1N1 regardless of whether it is shot or mist.

Interesting study though.

The problem with these types of "studies" is that they claim the illness was prevented....yet, there is no proof that the people were ever exposed to the virus....only that they did not get it!

This is true. However, in the case of the flu, many people are exposed (even without being vaccinated) and don't catch it. A flu shot is just one building block in the wall against catching the flu. And, just because you get a flu shot, doesn't mean you won't catch it anyway as flu shots are typically for only one or 2 strains per year. So you could still catch a different strain of the flu. Washing your hands A LOT, avoiding sick people, etc are still the best defense. And if you yourself ARE sick with the flu, please do the rest of us a favor and stay home. If you can't stay home (no sick pay or whatever), please use a mask and gloves. You can even get antibacterial kleenex. We do not want to share in the fun of your germs.

The extremely high amount of Aluminum ( a know neuro-toxin) and the adjuvants are enough for me not to purposefully expose my loved ones to this vaccine.

Cough into your elbow!! <<cough>> <<cough>>



Actually in this recent study the shot was deemed 68% effective versus the spray which was only 36% effective but the viral mix for the 07-08 season was not optimal...

I'm undecided at this point whether or not I will have my son vaccinated. I'm pretty sure I already had it, as did my boyfriend. My son was exposed and didn't get sick. We get "regular" flu shots every year and I'm not sure how this would be different. Things for me to ponder.

From the Vaccine Education Center - Adjuvants

http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/division/generic.jsp?id=75808

"The safety of aluminum has been established by experience over the past 70 years with hundreds of millions of people inoculated with aluminum-containing vaccines. Adverse reactions include redness or nodules at the site of injection."

"The aluminum contained in vaccines is similar to that found in a liter (about 1 quart or 32 fluid ounces) of infant formula. While infants receive about 4.4 milligrams of aluminum in the first six months of life from vaccines, they receive more than that in their diet. Breast-fed infants ingest about 7 milligrams, formula-fed infants ingest about 38 milligrams, and infants who are fed soy formula ingest almost 117 milligrams of aluminum during the same period."


It would appear that the risk is vanishingly small.

I am concern about this vaccine.Personal , I will not take it because there are going to be some major side effects

I get my flu shot every year since I have a lot of exposure.

I will get the H1N1 too as soon as it comes out!

It would appear that the risk is vanishingly small.


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Appearances can fool you.........it's effects are(often) not seen immediately ......

Autopsies on a large amount of people who have died of Alzheimer’s disease showed accumulations of up to four times the normal amount of aluminum in the nerve cells in the brain, especially in the hippocampus which plays a central role in memory.

here is something from the CDC....

This is the first time, the CDC has conducted such a study in the midst of a flu season. CDC decided to undertake this rapid study to see if it would reveal any information that would help the public, physicians and public health officials make decisions about the use of influenza vaccine, antiviral medications, or other preventive measures.

This initial study showed that the 2003-2004 influenza vaccine was not effective or had very low effectiveness against "influenza-like illness" in a group of healthcare workers in Colorado.

Do you know, was this for the swine flu or just a regular flu shot?

vaccines are made for the specific virus type "they" think will be prevalent in the coming year...therefore it ,probably, was not H1N1...

maybe they guessed wrong or maybe they are not effective in preventing the virus.....I choose not to expose my loved one to the dangerous adjuvants....

Aluminum and Alzheimer's disease - there is no proven relationship
after decades of research - since the correlation was first found in the 60's.

http://alzheimers.org.uk/factsheet/406

For seven years I eat a bagel every morning for breakfast.
I have not been involved in an automobile accident in the past seven years....

Therefore, Eating bagels for breakfast eliminates automobile accidents......

That's why I was asking. If "they" have determined it's not particularly effective against swine, that would help give me more information.

I respect your decision, it's one many people make. In my case, I get a flu shot every year, as the potential benefits outweigh the risks. As my immune system is faulty, any case of the flu for me has the potential of triggering a reactivation of my leukemia. Also, because my immune system is wonky, I have a far greater risk of dying of the flu than most people. So, therefore, I get the shot.

People have to do what's best for themselves, given their own specific circumstances.

Give a reference? I believe the CDC still strongly recommends the flu shot!



Note here that on the CDC website their number 1 recommendation is to take the time and go out and get a flu vaccination!



http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/preventing.htm

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/flu-shots/ID00017

one study does not make it true...the correlation is there....people with Alzheimer's have more aluminum in their bodies than average...

Coincidence??? Perhaps! but not a risk I am willing to take...

I didn't ask for a reference I just wanted to know if you knew whether the study was for flu shots in general or the swine flu in particular.

If there were a strong correlation between vaccination and Alzheimer's it would likely have shown up 30 years ago. We get plenty of aluminum in our diet as well as through any vaccines. Alzheimer's is related to genetics more than anything else. After 50 years of looking for a relationship between aluminum and a cause for Alzheimer's no relationship has yet been found - and people have been looking for it.