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Topic: Flu shots 2x effective as spray for adults
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Thu 09/24/09 08:22 AM
Actually, here is what the cdc say in regards to "Preventing the spread of the illness.....

Hmmm vaccines are not on the list........




Are there other ways to prevent the spread of illness?

Take everyday actions to stay healthy.

* Cover your nose and mouth with a tissue when you cough or sneeze. Throw the tissue in the trash after you use it.
* Wash your hands often with soap and water, especially after you cough or sneeze. Alcohol-based hands cleaners are also effective.
* Avoid touching your eyes, nose or mouth. Germs spread that way.
* Stay home if you get sick. CDC recommends that you stay home from work or school and limit contact with others to keep from infecting them.

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Thu 09/24/09 08:22 AM




here is something from the CDC....

This is the first time, the CDC has conducted such a study in the midst of a flu season. CDC decided to undertake this rapid study to see if it would reveal any information that would help the public, physicians and public health officials make decisions about the use of influenza vaccine, antiviral medications, or other preventive measures.

This initial study showed that the 2003-2004 influenza vaccine was not effective or had very low effectiveness against "influenza-like illness" in a group of healthcare workers in Colorado.


Do you know, was this for the swine flu or just a regular flu shot?


I wanted to know ddn's reference for the CDC study...laugh
since the CDC's #1 recommendation today is "Get a flu shot"

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Plus, when he provides the reference, we can see how the study
was done. But since it was done in 2003-04 then it predates the
current swine flu H1N1 outbreak.

Give a reference? I believe the CDC still strongly recommends the flu shot!

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Note here that on the CDC website their number 1 recommendation is to take the time and go out and get a flu vaccination!

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http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/preventing.htm

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/flu-shots/ID00017




I didn't ask for a reference laugh laugh laugh I just wanted to know if you knew whether the study was for flu shots in general or the swine flu in particular. flowerforyou

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Thu 09/24/09 08:26 AM
Also pulled from CDC's website:

Immunizations are NOT just for kids! Whether a young adult, middle-aged adult, or senior citizen, we ALL need immunizations to keep us healthy. Transitioning to adulthood brings us into a new world, bringing a different level of responsibility that we carry for life, including the need to help protect our loved ones more than ever.

Do You Need Any Vaccines?
The specific immunizations you need as an adult are determined by factors such as your age, lifestyle, high-risk conditions, type and locations of travel, and previous immunizations. Throughout your adult life, you need immunizations to get and maintain protection against:

Seasonal influenza (flu) (In general, anyone who is 6 months or older can benefit from the protection of a flu vaccination.)
2009 H1N1 influenza (for adults 25-64 years old with high risk conditions; parents and caretakers of children younger than 6 months of age; and emergency medical services personnel) Initial doses are expected to be available by mid-October.
Tetanus, diphtheria and pertussis (whooping cough) (for adults up to 64 years, one lifetime dose)
Shingles (for adults 60 years and older)
Pneumococcal disease (for adults 65 years and older and adults with specific health conditions)
Human papillomavirus (HPV) infection (for women 26 years and younger)
Other vaccinations you may need include those that protect against hepatitis A, hepatitis B, chickenpox (varicella), and measles, mumps and rubella.

Note that the seasonal flu vaccine does not protect against the 2009 H1N1 flu. A new vaccine against 2009 H1N1 flu is being produced and will be available in the coming months as the best option for prevention of 2009 H1N1 infection.

Review the Adult Immunization Schedule (also available in Spanish) to see if you need any immunizations. Be sure to check this schedule for updates as new vaccines are developed for additional protection. The most recent addition to the schedule is the shingles vaccine for those 60 years and older.

For additional information on vaccines and immunizations, visit www.cdc.gov/vaccines/.


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Thu 09/24/09 08:30 AM
More FAQ's pulled from CDC:

Will the 2009 H1N1 vaccines that are currently recommended contain adjuvants?
No. According to current federal plans, only unadjuvanted vaccines will be used in the United States during the 2009 flu season. This includes all of the 2009 H1N1 and seasonal influenza vaccines that will be available for children and adults in both the injectable and nasal spray formulations. None of these influenza vaccines will contain adjuvants.

2009 H1N1 vaccines with adjuvants are being studied to determine if they are safe and effective. Experts will review these data when they are available. There is no plan at this time to recommend a 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine with an adjuvant.

Will the 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine contain thimerosal?
The 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccines that FDA is licensing (approving) will be manufactured in several formulations. Some will come in multi-dose vials and will contain thimerosal as a preservative. Multi-dose vials of seasonal influenza vaccine also contain thimerosal to prevent potential contamination after the vial is opened.

Some 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccines will be available in single-dose units, which will not require the use of thimerosal as a preservative. In addition, the live-attenuated version of the vaccine, which is administered intranasally (through the nose), is produced in single-units and will not contain thimerosal. For more information on thimerosal.


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Thu 09/24/09 08:31 AM
I can find as many studies that "do" show a correlation........

Aluminum is a known neuro-toxin...there is no debate about that.....



its accumulation is additive ...over your lifetime........

kind of like x-rays....a couple of them won't harm you but over your life time.....hundreds of them will....


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Thu 09/24/09 08:37 AM
http://www.doctorbob.com/vd--flu-shot-season.html

I'd like to repeat the Flu/Alzheimer's connection that so many of you have asked about. According to Hugh Fudenberg, MD, the world's leading immunogeneticist and 13th most quoted biologist of our times (nearly 850 papers in peer review journals), if an individual has had five consecutive flu shots his/her chances of getting Alzheimer's Disease is ten times higher than if they had one, two or no shots. I asked Dr. Fudenberg why this was so and he said it was due to the mercury and aluminum that is in every flu shot (and some childhood shots). The gradual mercury and aluminum buildup in the brain causes cognitive dysfunction. Is that why Alzheimer's is expected to quadruple? Notes: Recorded from Dr. Fudenberg's speech at the NVIC International Vaccine Conference, Arlington, VA September, 1997. Quoted with permission. Alzheimer's to quadruple statement is from John's Hopkins Newsletter Nov 1998. Dr. Fudenberg's web address is www.nitrf.org. Interesting info on treating autism on the site.

Randall Neustaedter OMD author of The Vaccine Guide says this: The flu vaccine gets the most-useless-vaccine-of-all-time award. Now the CDC is recommending the vaccine for children under two years old and all adults over 50. Don't fall for it.



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Thu 09/24/09 08:38 AM
I'm finding conflicting reports on whether aluminum, aluminum salts, adjuvants, and thimerosol will be used. It seems the initial patents may have contained those ingredients but the actual product(s) don't, especially if you get the single-use vaccine.

I am not advocating one way or the other, I'm just saying that people should be armed with all the facts in order to make a healthy decision. And the facts seem to be that the above will not be used. The only "facts" I could find suggesting otherwise were people posting on message boards, stating their opinion as fact and those rumors spread like wildfire over the internet.

That doesn't mean, of course, that there isn't some legitimate cause for concern out there, it just means I couldn't find it.

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Thu 09/24/09 08:39 AM
2009 H1N1 vaccines with adjuvants are being studied to determine if they are safe and effective. Experts will review these data when they are available. There is no plan at this time to recommend a 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine with an adjuvant.

When was this published?

No plans???? yet, 2009 H1N1 with adjuvants are being studied?????
Why study if there are no plans to use them????

Have their plans changed????

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Thu 09/24/09 08:45 AM

More FAQ's pulled from CDC:

Will the 2009 H1N1 vaccines that are currently recommended contain adjuvants?
No. According to current federal plans, only unadjuvanted vaccines will be used in the United States during the 2009 flu season. This includes all of the 2009 H1N1 and seasonal influenza vaccines that will be available for children and adults in both the injectable and nasal spray formulations. None of these influenza vaccines will contain adjuvants.

2009 H1N1 vaccines with adjuvants are being studied to determine if they are safe and effective. Experts will review these data when they are available. There is no plan at this time to recommend a 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine with an adjuvant.

Will the 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine contain thimerosal?
The 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccines that FDA is licensing (approving) will be manufactured in several formulations. Some will come in multi-dose vials and will contain thimerosal as a preservative. Multi-dose vials of seasonal influenza vaccine also contain thimerosal to prevent potential contamination after the vial is opened.

Some 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccines will be available in single-dose units, which will not require the use of thimerosal as a preservative. In addition, the live-attenuated version of the vaccine, which is administered intranasally (through the nose), is produced in single-units and will not contain thimerosal. For more information on thimerosal.




I'd be real cautious about believing reports that come from any site that has .gov as part of it's address. JMO of course.

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Thu 09/24/09 11:42 AM
Here's one from WebMD entitled:

"Aluminum in Vaccines Poses No Harm"

http://www.webmd.com/parenting/news/20040129/aluminum-in-vaccines-poses-no-harm

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