*warning long read*

Usually, the same way it has traditionally been defined in all cultures: by a lack of vital signs. Most world religions lack a clear doctrinal statement that certifies when, exactly, the moment of death can be said to have occurred. For most of human history, there was no need for one since prior to the invention of life-support equipment, the absence of circulation or respiration was the only way to diagnose death. This remains the standard of death in most religions. By the early 1980s, however, the medical and legal community also began to adopt a second definition of death—the irreversible cessation of all brain functions—and some religious groups have updated their beliefs.


Jewish arguments both for and against accepting brain death can be found in the Talmud. Some strands of Talmudic law hold that those who have been decapitated or had their necks broken are considered dead, even if their bodies continue to move—an argument that many take as proof that total loss of brain function counts as death.


Christians who ardently support the traditional circulatory-respiratory definition of death tend to be fundamentalists or evangelicals. They may point to Leviticus 17:11, which states that "the life of the flesh is in the blood," or Genesis 2:7, which describes how God "formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being." Most mainstream Protestant groups in the United States accept brain death as a valid criterion for death, as does the Roman Catholic Church, though that ruling is not without controversy.



In 1986, the Academy of Islamic Jurisprudence—a group of legal experts convened by the Organization of the Islamic Conference—issued an opinion stating that a person should be considered legally dead when either "complete cessation of the heart or respiration occurs" or "complete cessation of all functions of the brain occurs." In both cases, "expert physicians" must ascertain that the condition is irreversible.


In 2006, the family of a Buddhist man in Boston who had been declared legally brain-dead argued that, because his heart was still beating, his spirit and consciousness still lingered and that removing him from life support would be akin to killing him. In a Boston Globe article about the case, a professor of Buddhism explained that, within Tibetan Buddhism, a person has multiple levels of consciousness, which may or may not correspond with brain activity.


which do you agree with and why?

You die,an you go to heaven???

Who can really say?

How can you define something,you really don't know?

It's a Belief,thought of trust in a higher power.

Do i have to pick a Religion,to believe of the power above?

JMO...

I've been reading about the "Michael Techings" for several years and it resonates with some truthfulness to me

Death is only a doorway



http://www.michaelteachings.com/

Which belief matters not to me...
If I become a sick pain in the azz to everybody I just want to go,get cremated and move on to the next phase

Death is only a door way...

you close you eyes in one world and wake up in another

I seem to recall reading that it's possible for the heart to beat a while after the body is officially dead...so I'll say that brain activity is the decider till I know more.

What I believe really doesn't matter, when i died i will know or not the truth.

I don't live my life a certain way because I'm afraid of not going to heaven, if God exists and heaven exists it wants you to be true to who you are whatever that is. Don't do things because it will bring you closer to heaven do them because it is the right thing to do.

My personal opinion is that God doesn't exists and that life starts and ends and so do we, I think that we give ourselves to much importance in this universe to think we never end. Everything as a beginning and an end and so do we. Even the universe will stop to expand and cease to exist one of these days might take billions of years but it will.

I see a fundamental problem with all the “legal” definitions of death.

If it is defined as “cessation of heart function” (for instance) then is the exact time of death time of the instant following the last heartbeat, in which case the inactivity of the heart in between heartbeats would qualify as “death”. Or is it the instant when the next heartbeat should have occurred? In other words, is the person still alive up until the time when the next heartbeat fails to happen? If so, how long do you wait for the next heartbeat before you proclaim him dead?

I only use this as an example to illustrate that a definition of death will necessarily always have some gray area when it is based on physilogical phenomena.

If this helps at all... I am a registered nurse and in my state we are allowed to pronounce at an expected death. Our guidelines and protocols state we must assess for absence of respirations and heartbeats for a full minute before we can call it. We also check for lack of blood pressure and pupil response. If all of these are a big negative we can call time of death.
Our heartbeats occur as the result of blood being taken in and squeezed out of one chamber of the heart to the other. Its a big muscle contracting and relaxing.There is constant activity going on within that vessel that can be shown on a cardiac monitor.Just because you can feel a pause between beats doesn't mean death. Many things are happening in your heart on that down beat and you are very much alive.

I died once

I was in surgery and coded on the table and had to be resucitated

and I had a dream. I was getting dressed up to go someplace really important. I remember putting on my best black cherry dress boots and stood up. I looked down and saw myself in the hospital gown and thought to myself "Oh, I'm not going anywhere" and then I woke up

one thing as far as scriptures go the law at the time of messiah declared you dead at the end of the 3rd day.

interesting since Yahshua said he would be in the heart of the earh for 3 days and 3 nights.

To prove he was really dead?

Lazarus they said was dead and he stunk it was the 4th day.

Did Yahshua say I will bring the dead to life?

No he said Lazarus sleeps.

Throughout the OT which almost all say is old unless something in it will promote what they want then it is doctrine like say Tithing..not in the new testament but it must be done.


All through the old testament it says death is as sleep. ps. says oh yahweh how can the dead praise you.

guess he did not make it to heaven.

then we have the problem with the thief on the torture stake.

Yahshua said he was the 1st of the 1st born. To enter before his fathers throne.

when he was about to die the thief said i believe you take me to your kingdom.


Yahshua then said today you will be with me in paradise.

how could this be?

did the thief get thier before Yahshua or what was he saying.

not brought up much in any church i have ever seen.

but if death is like sleep because we all know when we sleep we have no knowledge of time.

Then if this is true the dead rise 1st and then the living is very true.

Also yahshua spoke the truth that he was the 1st born of the dead.


religion needs to be truthfull about what the scriptures say.

if anyone disagrees they use that all to known phrase stay away from them they are a cult.

so we are scared to even give another thought a chance.

But what this really does is give them control over you.

What did yahshua say. You breed of vipers who say and will not lift a finger.

the same thing he will say when he comes back...Shalom....Miles

This room has died out so much..what is wrong? Shalom...MIles

Some don't like to think, talk on such a subject...I suppose.

Death is an important subject.

It is used to control and breed fear.

how can you make it to heaven.

A 1000 differnt denominations say through our way.

yea they will say others are ok and people will make.

yet why don't they agree the same?

they want you to believe it is through them not Yahshua.

Stepping on toes.

No telling the truth and the truth is always best.

I have seen alot of different denominations get up and say they are together at a gathering honoring HS Seniors on a sunday afternoon when they were preaching against each others way that morning.

Some saying they were part of the anti-messiah system.

yet telling the audience they were all in Messiah in agreement to win souls.


hell or Hades is from a couple of places Egyptian Mythology and greek. Syval who went to the underworld to save a loved one.

Then Dante's Play "The infernal" great success.

the religious Elite seen a perfect oppertunity to grasp this concept that we go to a fiery hell if we do not do as they say.

step out of the box and see what really happens at churches.

Yahshua said if it were possible the whole world would be decieved.

How can this be?

Everyone says thier path is the way.

If it were possible and we see in rev 7,14 and 15 that it is not possible.

We also see in rev 11 2 people the whole world hates and satan does his best to shut them up and kill them but thier message from yahweh is not done yet.

Yahshua promiced the whole world would hear it and since thier is shown such a small part of humanity believing this message but hating it.

What is happening?

The whole world is decieved so 99.99% of us is decieved by Satan/Helel right now.

but Yahweh is just. He gives you relief about a loved ones passing.

Like i posted before death is like sleep. no hell no heaven just waiting for thier time to wake up.

yet what happens when they wake up/

The scriptures talk of 2 times people do.

Those who meet him as he is coming.

Those who have to wait untill the end of his 1000 year regeign.

Then it says that nasty word we hear al the time from our ministers that is now engrained in our mind to reject no matter what.

Works.

James says I will show you my faith by my works.

Listen at sunday services and pay attention and see if those verses are ever quoted or even how often James is ever quoted period.

You may get a big suprise.

In Rev 19 it say all the dead are brought back to life before yahshua and before the Kingdom as John says Adorned as a bride comes to earth.

yes those who were decieved and we know deception is not of the father.

Will be judged by thier works. Some to eternal life some to a fiery indignation.

not a ever lasting fire that satan rules. A kingdom is what he wanted with his own worshippers to begin with.

Do you honestly believe Yahweh will give it to him?

No he will not.

The wicked will suffer a short punishment and then enter the 2nd death where they will never come alive again.

What about loved ones who were chosen as children?

Yahweh can do anything and he says he will have a tree a tree of life that will wipe the tears from our eyes.

he also says that the ones who are gone who we loved will be gone from our memories like they never were.

He loves us Everyone.

Search the scriptures and believe what Jeremiah and others said would happen at this time.

Search the scriptues to shew your self approved.

Have an answer for every man who asks you about your faith and Hope.

Believe that in this day and age you can learn the scriptures like never before.
Jeremiah said You will not be taught by man but by the Holy Spirit.

This is why we are told do not think what you will say or meditate on it.
For the Holy Spirit knows what you have need of and in that Hours he will give you words to say.

The cloven tongues of Acts 2..

Blessings of Knowledge and Truth that we will not be Destroyed for Lack of Knowledge...Shalom...Miles

Religion has really cashed in on death for a controlling factor.

We are no different than the other creatures who die on this planet. The energy of life leaves us and we are no more.

So make sure that you do everything in this life that you wanted or needed to do because once lights out, lights out. That is what works for me anyway.

No guilt trips or wondering if a measure up, I get to judge myself on what I made of my life and my mistakes and that is the final word.

people forget that Yahshua said pretty close to what you are saying.

When one wanted to leave to go to the funeral he said thier is nothing you can do for him.. Attend to the living instead.

How many of us have felt so guilty because we were mad or did not take the tme or whatever then a loved one passes and we wish we could of did better and seen them more.
Yet like he said thier is no more you can do..Learn from iit and be a better person...Shalom...Miles

Hope i'm not repeating what some one else said in anyway. But only some people will die. Everyone else will live for eternity. Don't remember the scripts exactly or even what book of the bible it was in. But death in christianity is going to hell. So for the ones that are good in there life and pass judgement they never will die. You see your body is just a thing, it's not forever. It's the temple of God actually. So when you say death the only way you can die is by going to hell. Cause when your body dies here on earth "you" actually don't die. You head onto judgement, then depending on how you were leading your life is what determines if you die or not.

Thanks for that info Rose.

Now just for my own edification, is the time of death pronounced as the moment when all heart and lung function stopped? Or is it at the end of that full minute after cesation of heart and lung function?

I believe similarly. A few have eternal life (not in the flesh but the spirit) and others will just return to dust and live no more.

Death:What is there to fear in it or of it. Is not the Planet our teacher. All things die . We shall die , for me there is no fear ,if there were yet i will ask the reason there of. If i have discerned fear in myself , then prhaps i am not complete .I have not yet embrace the evolution of intelligence but rather have give in to base unintelligent desire that would manifest outwardly in my life. On the contray i i will embrace that which complets me. I will seek out the hidden virtues in myself and feed it forthwith growth in understanding i shall reap and in so doing i shall understand death and i shall not fear for it .It is part of the order of things.