OK here's one of the things I will never figure out about woman, one of the most common complaints I hear from woman is how spoiled their husbands and boyfriends have become from the time they had started dating.

I may be getting in some trouble here but ladies the fact is if you want your man to pick-up after himself and help more around the home, don't spoil them in the first place,it is first mothers then wives and girlfriends that feel as if they have do most everything it first has to start when the man is a child both my parents taught me to be independent and to do things for myself, I realize a lot of the times woman are having to deprogram a lot of the things they have learned from their mothers.

It's like this ladies men are a bit like dogs if you feed us and pet us we will follow you home and not won't to leave.

Miko, try this. In any relationship people give and take. Most women give by doing things for those they love and feel those activities show how much they care.

Now, what is it most men give?

Check.

my ex-wife said once "I don't want to follow around behind you picking up after you"

so I told her "I don't want you to either.

When I put something down I want it to still be there when I come back looking for it"

I have come to believe that if having something clean means so very much to a person then that person should do it themselves or hire someone to do it. Otherwise, there's turbulence all the time.

I realize how much a woman puts into a relationship, I just think it is human nature once spoiled always spoiled,times when I have offered to help more I was usually brushed off in most of my girlfriend's opinions I was just getting in their way and usually I didn't do things to their liking this is one of the raesons that men don't help more,when we offer to help out the woman should see that it is the thought that counts and not that we are not doing things exactly the way the woman wants things done.

As for what we men give in a relationship, lets see, protector, jar opener, killer of all bugs and vermin, fixers,lifting of things,breadwinners, reaching high shelves, giving the woman something to complain about.

There is nothing here I can't do for myself. Alarm system, butter knife, exterminator, handymen, pretty strong myself, I have a job, that's what ladders are for, people complain for no reason at all.

Now a shoulder to cry on, an ear to listen, a friend to laugh with, a hand to hold, and I'm all in. BTW, it isn't the thought that counts when it comes to sharing responsibility. People in general are just looking for someone to share the load.

I have always been there emotionally for a woman otherwise there would be no relationship, but it always seemed no matter how much I would listen and provide a shoulder to cry on and try to be romantic I would always be hit with the same old complaints about helping out more and by the way I did most of the cooking and I was usually neater then most of my girl friends were, that's another thing they would do is bring these matters up when I was attempting to be more intimate that really would kill the mood.

They were just trying to tell you how they feel. It's the thought that counts afterall.

More like revenge.

?Spoiled?

I never been around a spoiled man?

it happens if you leave em out of the fridge too long

and then you have to throw em out

Sounds like a whole heap of whining...


being taken for granted is not being equal in a relationship.

I ask you, if you are so very much the gentleman, nice guy, thoughtful and tidy man you profess to be....why are you attracted to these types of women?

We ALWAYS attract that, which we really are.

No you don't Quiet, just sniff it and put in back in the fridge.

LMAO you don't have to do anything to spoil a man! They are just spoiled by nature or it's that "macho" coming out where they're lazy and want their woman to do everything!

My 10 yr son can cook eggs, ramen noodles, pancakes an can operate the microwave. He knows he has to clean his room cause Mama ain't no Maid. I'm givin him one more year an he'll be taught how to do his own laundry. Mama ian't raisin no baby, I'm raisin a self sufficent man

Ok, here's how I see it....

guy gets with gal, all warm and fuzzy...guy does the chivalrous man thing, woman does the homely take care of her man thing...

man gets comfortable...relaxes, he's hooked the gal...gal gets comfortable....relaxes...she's hooked the man.


Small spats over who did what for whom starts....score cards come out....sex stops.

Each cry foul....and blame the other.



WAKE UP!!

you had an agenda.... so did she....if someone truly wants to be nurturing, and supportive towards another, it just is.

It isn't a score keeping exercise....if it is...it is the desperate act of a person too weak to have an authentic relationship.

We do kind things for each other because we WANT to....end of story.

Oh Jess, I wish you were a man. And lived in Virginia.

Chrissy, you need to immigrate to Australia....