The First shall be last and the last shall be first.

Those of us that are dead in Christ (not dead in the ground) will be the
first to go.

For he will round up his fathers flock before he rounds up his own.

And the first have sacrificed their first fruits that others may live.
I thank you for you unselfishness. Your reward may be greater than
mine.

This is another proof of Grace.

That others my have Grace though they are dead in Christ he will make
them as little children in the realm of the father.

JESUS will lift us into theair taking us to Heaven AD

I but as the first shall be last and the last first I will go in the
first resurection not the 'rapture'.

For I am not a christian and therefore I am dead in Christ.

I am of the flock of the Father not the Son and the Son will gather
first the flock of the father (honor thy father and thy mother) before
He gathers to him that which is his.

GOOD LUCK AB

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
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But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are
asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. For
if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring
with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. For this we say to you
by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the
coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For
the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice
of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ
will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up
together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we
shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these
words.
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Those people who are "dead in Christ" are people who "died in Christ".
People who are saved become part of the body of Christ. When they die,
they are "dead in Christ".

Read that wonderful book with eyes that are not lessoned by the
teachers, scribes, and self proclaimed high ones.

Read it instead with they eyes of a child that knows nothing but absorbs
all that it sees.

Through the eyes of a child.

In that book I am a child I have never been schooled in its use I but
read it.

AdventureBegins,

Neither have I, but I have accepted Jesus as my Lord and savior. He
wrote the Bible. I don't discount books, because I don't want to read
them. Be like a child, be accepting and throw away your preconceived
notions about what is or is not valid scriptures in the Bible and just
read the whole thing.

AB he is right I read it to in my bible.
do you know what the bible stands for basis instructions before leaving
earth

AdventureBegins,

Another thought occurs...It is talking about the believers who died,
then it suddenly shift gears and starts talking about the unsaved? Can
you explain what your logic is for stating that?

Why do you question every thing I post?

The dead in Christ are those that have not accepted him.

Those that are alive in Christ are those that have accepted him. It is
quite clear on that.

You spout the exact phrases that I get when I check these scriptures on
various web sites. Lessons by priests?

The sin of Babel has surrounded Gods Word since the the second after its
begining. What better way to divert the faith than to be at its
infancy.

AdventureBegins,

I cut/paste from an online Bible, I can't memorize scriptures, I can
only memorize where they are. But that's not the point, regardless of
where you find the scriptures, your interpretation is wrong. I'm not
saying that because I don't like you, but because I won't be found
innocent of sin if I don't say something. I can't allow a false
doctrine to be preached without correcting the mistake, to do so would
be like watching your neighbors house burn down with him in it, because
you were afraid if you warned him that the house was on fire, it would
wake him out of a deep sleep.

False doctrine?

You have then the authority to Judge what I am and the words I have been
commanded to say? How high you must be in the councils of God.

I say this...

Refrain from disparaging me or the things I speak for IF that which
comes forth from me is but the works of man it will be thrown down by
one greater than all of us. But if it IS of God you will have been
fighting God himself.

Let be and let God. If I am false He will reveal it.

AdventureBegins,

How do you know that God hasn't already by placing me here and moving me
to post? You are not saved, unless you are saved. Why would Jesus
require Christians to struggle and die in his name, if he was going to
save all people? What purpose would there be? Your position isn't even
logical, little less it is completely opposed by the scripture.

AB

I'm confused with ur words brother

Big difference here spider.
I am speaking words as I must.

You are quoting words we all can read.

You quote me from John.

Quote me where Jesus said as John did.

I am not quoting the words of the son. I am speaking words from the
father.

AdventureBegins,

Don't jump back out of the Bible now. Stay in the word. I am not
trying to discourage you, I am trying to correct you. I think you even
realize that your interpretation of that scripture is wrong. This isn't
a game. You have said several times that you find a lot of truth in the
Old Testament. Keep reading. Keep searching the word. And ask Jesus
to reveal the truth to you. This is all just my advice, take it with a
grain of salt, but at least think about what I've said.

Where have I been in the bible. Gods word is alive not dead.

I read the bible. I speak as I am. My intrepretation? Where is it
wrong. Where is it less than the intrepretations handed down by high
ones?

Because a man wears a priestly vestment does not make of him God nor is
he greater than I am. His intrepretation carries no more weight then
does mine in the moment.
The leaves of that Book of God called the Bible were selected not by
Christ nor by the ones caught up in the Spirit at Pentecost they were
selected by a council of men after the birth of faith but before its
growth became known. I say again what better way to divert the faith
than to teach it in its infancy.


If my intrepretation is false God will show it. When a thing is false
it shows in many ways. Which do you worship His death or His accension
to the Father? Which of those two give Grace. Which of those two open
the gates of heaven. Which of those two is the path you must follow.

Actually, I think the one who spouts it but doesn't actually believe it
deep down and believes he is exempt from final judgement because of the
spouting is the false prophet.

There will be many false profits DKW. There ARE many false profits.
But..."THE FALSE PROFIT" spoke of in the Bible, will be someone of much
ability and standing tall amongst the popular and the weak. He will make
his wiil sound that of Christ, but will be a liar. He will cause many to
fall from grace of Jesus (God). He could possible be playing in here
among us, but it isn't AB. AB just needs proof that God is a being
through the Son, and proof he shall have when the time comes.

Kat

I thank god that it has been revealed to me that religion is worthless
waste of time.

To bad they don't have a science forum here.

I think the lack of a science forum reveals something very profound
about our society.

Most people would rather guess than figure things out. It’s just
easier. (ha ha)

Sloth of the mind.