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yeah it'll only cut the energy costs for the whole country by about 10% mmmmmmm roughly $100,000,000 Wow. Food for thought, If you are saving money then the power companies will charge more to get at it. Food to thought! That figure is also GROSSLY miscalculated! Anyone can toss out statistics. they are meaningless until the actual numbers are tabulated. otherwise it is only an ESTIMATE and those do not always meet expectation. 99% of the time statistics based on unseen events with the number of Variables that apply like COST PER WATT of power can change at any given time. Dubious comes to mind! |
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I switched my place to the new bulbs and my electric bill went from $120/month to $90/month=25% savings. Good enough scientific data for me.
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Edited by
GeniuSxBoY
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Sat 08/29/09 12:18 PM
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Part of the reason Fluorescent lights flicker in Europe is because of 50Hz power vs the us using 60Hz. The human eye can see the oscillation of the Alternating Current at 50HZ but not 60Hz. Now for Greenhouse Gas emissions, The Scientists making all the educated claims are nothing more than over educated propeller heads. All of the world industry combined is not farting out anywhere near as much CO2 and Methane as Siberia Alone! Vulcanism is on the rise as well and that is a tremendous contributor. With Siberia thawing out all that frozen and dead plant matter is now rotting and the ground becomes swampy. That is a recipe for Methane and CO2 and considering how frikken big Siberia is! Now let us address the human pollution issue, let us consider that we have Nuclear waste dumps sporting waste so dangerous that it will remain dangerous for MILLIONS of years. We all have Nuclear power plants and some of them leak radiation badly. There has been a simmering and understated battle over the safety of Nuclear Power Plants in Washington State where worms in Puget Sound near the plant have grown to horrendous size but the Fed is super tight lipped about it and also when people perform independent studies and surveys of the area the DOE comes in and confiscates EVERYTHING! We are already getting warnings that seafood in general is contaminated with Mercury and I know of someone who ate nothing but sushi until he began having numbness in his hands and feet. Turned out he had mercury poisoning. We have polluted the environment with lead, arsenic, selenium, PCB, DDT, and a host of other industrial wastes and also there is all the trash and plastic waste we imposed on the environment. Now our leaders are going to force us to use a product that is four to five times as expensive in the name of saving power? Part of it is that Power Plants are being shut down so that the power companies can charge more money for less output. Nothing more. What is worst is that none of the power companies want Co-generation because it takes money away from them. Fluorescent bulbs also are bulkier and do not fit in the same small space as incandescent bulbs. These "Feel Good" policies make me want to gag. How about a little population control? There are too frikken many people on this planet as it stands! This whole argument is retarded. "My next door neighbor pollutes more than me, so as long as I pollute less than him, everything is okay" |
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I switched my place to the new bulbs and my electric bill went from $120/month to $90/month=25% savings. Good enough scientific data for me. 
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Edited by
Atlantis75
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Sat 08/29/09 12:22 PM
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Fluorescent bulbs also are bulkier and do not fit in the same small space as incandescent bulbs. These "Feel Good" policies make me want to gag. You're wrong. I got fluorescent bulbs and they aren't bulkier whatsoever plus saves on your wallet and they seem to last longer. 
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i think this is awesome. i switched my entire house at once, and i literally save about $30 bucks a month in electricity. toss in that you almost neeeever have to change them, and it's definitely worth it. my neighborhood walmart recycles them, so i'll dump them there when it's time for new ones. Thanks for the info. I didn't know that Walmart did that. Do they put out enough light? winx, i use the ones that are the equivalent of a 75 watt bulb...very bright, but they only use like 13 watts of energy. they are also pretty cool to the touch; they don't put off all that heat (great for the summer). i can pull a hot one directly out of the socket with bare fingers. they don't break as easily. my only complaint (and it's not even a complaint, not really) is that they start out a tad dim and warm up over several seconds. by the time your eyes adjust, so have the bulbs. oh, and i've lived in this house for eleven months...i haven't had to change a single bulb as of yet. |
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Edited by
GeniuSxBoY
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Sat 08/29/09 12:39 PM
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I switched my place to the new bulbs and my electric bill went from $120/month to $90/month=25% savings. Good enough scientific data for me. Exactly. This is one change I support. Flourescent bulbs only use 7 Watts to put out the same light as the 40 Watt incandescent bulb. By making it mandatory to use all flourescent bulbs, the EU uses only 1/5th the amount of energy to light up the country. That is 1/5th the amount of coal they have to burn. Who cares about them charging the same price per kilowatt hour and using less enengy, you're still paying the same anyways. The benefit is for the enviroment, not for you. So what if the bulbs cost 6 times more? They last 10 times longer. Fluorescent bulbs lifetime: 10000 to 20000 hours versus 1000 hours for a typical incandescent bulb Take that to the bank |
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i think this is awesome. i switched my entire house at once, and i literally save about $30 bucks a month in electricity. toss in that you almost neeeever have to change them, and it's definitely worth it. my neighborhood walmart recycles them, so i'll dump them there when it's time for new ones. Thanks for the info. I didn't know that Walmart did that. Do they put out enough light? winx, i use the ones that are the equivalent of a 75 watt bulb...very bright, but they only use like 13 watts of energy. they are also pretty cool to the touch; they don't put off all that heat (great for the summer). i can pull a hot one directly out of the socket with bare fingers. they don't break as easily. my only complaint (and it's not even a complaint, not really) is that they start out a tad dim and warm up over several seconds. by the time your eyes adjust, so have the bulbs. oh, and i've lived in this house for eleven months...i haven't had to change a single bulb as of yet. try 6 years. The previous owner put them in and only a few got replaced. |
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i think this is awesome. i switched my entire house at once, and i literally save about $30 bucks a month in electricity. toss in that you almost neeeever have to change them, and it's definitely worth it. my neighborhood walmart recycles them, so i'll dump them there when it's time for new ones. Thanks for the info. I didn't know that Walmart did that. Do they put out enough light? winx, i use the ones that are the equivalent of a 75 watt bulb...very bright, but they only use like 13 watts of energy. they are also pretty cool to the touch; they don't put off all that heat (great for the summer). i can pull a hot one directly out of the socket with bare fingers. they don't break as easily. my only complaint (and it's not even a complaint, not really) is that they start out a tad dim and warm up over several seconds. by the time your eyes adjust, so have the bulbs. oh, and i've lived in this house for eleven months...i haven't had to change a single bulb as of yet. That sounds good. I've never used them. I've been concerned about how well they light up a room. Plus, they're not cheap if I didn't like them. I'm learning about it in this thread. |
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Edited by
Quietman_2009
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Sat 08/29/09 01:23 PM
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I changed out all of mine about a year ago and my elctric bill went from around $70-80 a month to around $40-50 a month.
And there are a couple lights that I have always left on 24 hours a day. the bathroom is one. The bulb in my bathroom had been on continuously for over a year and should have a couple years left in it and they come in 3-ways for my nice living room lamps |
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Another thing, how much does it cost to make and subsequently buy a fluorescent bulb vs. incandescent. The cost has to go down to make it a more practical answer! Likewise they have to be more recycle friendly. Not easier to take to a specific disposal location! They also need to find an alternative to mercury to make it truly Green!
Electrical savings at the end user means nothing if cost to produce is higher! Remember, the more complicated it is to make something the more ELECTRICAL power it uses because they are made by machine and not hand made. So there! |
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you sound like Edison going around electrocuting cats and dogs to prove that AC was more dangerous and impractical than DC
ride the wave of the future incandescant is early 20th century tchnology. wasteful and inefficient. |
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you sound like Edison going around electrocuting cats and dogs to prove that AC was more dangerous and impractical than DC ride the wave of the future incandescant is early 20th century tchnology. wasteful and inefficient. I actually went back in time recently and had 2 candles in my room instead of my table lamp. Then I found out that candles aren't cheap either..especially the scented ones can cost a lot. |
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 <<----think Mingle could save on their energy costs by switching this little guy to a compact fluorescent bulb?
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