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their the only ones who believe it so who cares? Well, some Jews, for one. Here's a letter explaining it: Dear Elder Clarke: It has come to my attention that well-intentioned LDS members are baptizing Jewish victims of the Holocaust into the Mormon faith. It shows incredible insensitivity to the anguish of the living relatives of these martyrs, some of whom saw their loved ones murdered, to perform a Christian ritual on people who were killed for only one reason; they were Jews. Baptism is a Christian ceremony that is particularly repugnant to Jews. It reminds us of the centuries of persecution against Jews where our ancestors were given a choice; be baptized or suffer death. There are many Christians living today who can trace their family history back to people who chose option one. Our Jewish history books are filled with martyrs who chose option two. I have been told that the LDS church does not support this policy; that it is the act of individuals. But the fact that the ritual is performed in a Mormon Temple is tantamount to condoning this practice. At present, this practice is known to only a few Jewish-American genealogists who noticed the entries in the International Genealogical Index. Once the Jewish world community is aware of the practice, it will seriously strain relations between Mormons and Jews. --Gary Mokotoff For another, myself. As an agnostic, I find it just a little bit creepy that posterity could assume I was baptized as a Mormon on the basis of these genealogies when I really didn't care very much for a lot of what the religion stood for, especially its left-handed persecution of gays in this century and of people of color in the last. -Kerry O. Baptism in absentia. Something to be really concerned about.. --------------------------------------------------------------------- what do you think god is stupid . they keep track of the dead of members not every duff born . as a mormen you can pray for someone who may of not got to heaven and for what ever reason they well make it then . that is if you believe it . and i have spent a lot of time at the building across the street from the temple . thats where the genolgy is . the mormans saved millions of jews during ww2 and yet every time they turn around the jews are whineing about about something about there church . they have a funny way of saying thanks yeah they say "thnask" |
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their the only ones who believe it so who cares? Well, some Jews, for one. Here's a letter explaining it: Dear Elder Clarke: It has come to my attention that well-intentioned LDS members are baptizing Jewish victims of the Holocaust into the Mormon faith. It shows incredible insensitivity to the anguish of the living relatives of these martyrs, some of whom saw their loved ones murdered, to perform a Christian ritual on people who were killed for only one reason; they were Jews. Baptism is a Christian ceremony that is particularly repugnant to Jews. It reminds us of the centuries of persecution against Jews where our ancestors were given a choice; be baptized or suffer death. There are many Christians living today who can trace their family history back to people who chose option one. Our Jewish history books are filled with martyrs who chose option two. I have been told that the LDS church does not support this policy; that it is the act of individuals. But the fact that the ritual is performed in a Mormon Temple is tantamount to condoning this practice. At present, this practice is known to only a few Jewish-American genealogists who noticed the entries in the International Genealogical Index. Once the Jewish world community is aware of the practice, it will seriously strain relations between Mormons and Jews. --Gary Mokotoff For another, myself. As an agnostic, I find it just a little bit creepy that posterity could assume I was baptized as a Mormon on the basis of these genealogies when I really didn't care very much for a lot of what the religion stood for, especially its left-handed persecution of gays in this century and of people of color in the last. -Kerry O. Baptism in absentia. Something to be really concerned about.. --------------------------------------------------------------------- what do you think god is stupid . they keep track of the dead of members not every duff born . as a mormen you can pray for someone who may of not got to heaven and for what ever reason they well make it then . that is if you believe it . and i have spent a lot of time at the building across the street from the temple . thats where the genolgy is . the mormans saved millions of jews during ww2 and yet every time they turn around the jews are whineing about about something about there church . they have a funny way of saying thanks no one can pray someone else into heaven....that is just silly just sayin 
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The LDS, from what I understand, have one of the most comprehensive genealogical databases in the world. I'm not sure, but I believe that their service is relatively low-cost. --------------------------------------------------------------------- they only keep tract of thier members . not every dufuss that gets born They keep records on the dead so they can do "baptisms for the dead". And they don't keep track of their members, the members do their own history. I have a question. Do they think that those baptisms increases the amount of Mormons there are? |
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The LDS, from what I understand, have one of the most comprehensive genealogical databases in the world. I'm not sure, but I believe that their service is relatively low-cost. --------------------------------------------------------------------- they only keep tract of thier members . not every dufuss that gets born They keep records on the dead so they can do "baptisms for the dead". And they don't keep track of their members, the members do their own history. I have a question. Do they think that those baptisms increases the amount of Mormons there are? ya mean in real time? No I don't think it racks up the numbers. |
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The LDS, from what I understand, have one of the most comprehensive genealogical databases in the world. I'm not sure, but I believe that their service is relatively low-cost. --------------------------------------------------------------------- they only keep tract of thier members . not every dufuss that gets born They keep records on the dead so they can do "baptisms for the dead". And they don't keep track of their members, the members do their own history. I have a question. Do they think that those baptisms increases the amount of Mormons there are? ya mean in real time? No I don't think it racks up the numbers. I didn't think so but I wasn't sure. Thanks. |
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they keep track of the dead of members not every duff born I'm sorry, but you're just plain wrong. The very existence of the 'gift' this thread is talking about proves it. . as a mormon you can pray for someone who may of not got to heaven and for what ever reason they well make it then . it is to get the people who have not been for given as a mormon . that is if you believe it . and i have spent a lot of time at the building across the street from the temple . that's where the genealogy is . The whole reason the Mormon genealogy exists is to get around the thorny problem about what theoretically happens to all the souls who died before Joseph Smith had his exclusive revelation from God. the mormons saved millions of Jews during ww2 and yet every time they turn around the Jews are whining about about something about there church . they have a funny way of saying thanks I hardly think the Mormons single-handedly performed this task, but even if that were true, why would the Mormons need to be thanked for doing God's own work? as far as praying someone in to heaven . I believe its gods choice who gets there .. not some clay footed human .he is the only final judge .. Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever had a Jew knock on my front door in an attempt to convert me to their religion. -Kerry O. |
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ya mean in real time? No I don't think it racks up the numbers. Well, the Mormons do claim that LDS is today's fastest growing religion. -Kerry O. |
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They have always claimed that...
I'm just wondering if you have some family members that the church had baptized, just asking because you seem kinda mad about it. |
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They have always claimed that... I'm just wondering if you have some family members that the church had baptized, just asking because you seem kinda mad about it. I have no doubt that the fundamentalist Christians in my family tree would be far more incensed about the Mormons baptizing our ancestors without their consent than I am. As I stated earlier, I just find it creepy. Nor do I care for anyone's dogma when it's relentlessly forced down peoples' throats. The Mormons are the most frequently guilty of this, but the Baptists in my area are starting to catch up. I mean really, how many times do they think they have to blanket the same neighborhood with their flyers and junk mail, if all they _really_ trying to do is get the word out? -Kerry O. |
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They have always claimed that... I'm just wondering if you have some family members that the church had baptized, just asking because you seem kinda mad about it. I have no doubt that the fundamentalist Christians in my family tree would be far more incensed about the Mormons baptizing our ancestors without their consent than I am. As I stated earlier, I just find it creepy. Nor do I care for anyone's dogma when it's relentlessly forced down peoples' throats. The Mormons are the most frequently guilty of this, but the Baptists in my area are starting to catch up. I mean really, how many times do they think they have to blanket the same neighborhood with their flyers and junk mail, if all they _really_ trying to do is get the word out? -Kerry O. Yea, I hear ya.. I am not a christian at all so I understand the feeling of having it relentlessly forced...and I live in Utah soooo. I was just wondering if it was a personal thing. Yea, kinda creepy, I agree. |
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Thu 09/03/09 07:59 PM
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can anyone explain the part in the OP about obama's late mother....who died in 1994, i think.....being posthumously baptized into the mormon church in 1997?
if true, who requested it? as she had her mother, one son and one daughter as her only close survivors in 1997, did one of them request it? if not, was their consent needed if another party wanted her baptizes post mortem? |
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can anyone explain the part in the OP about obama's late mother....who died in 1994, i think.....being posthumously baptized into the mormon church in 1997? if true, who requested it? as she had her mother, one son and one daughter as her only close survivors in 1997, did one of them request it? if not, was their consent needed if another party wanted her baptizes post mortem? Yes, his mother was baptized... according to the church publications, it was not discussed when they were in Washington presenting this to the president. The church just does it... no one requests it. My mother is LDS and when she went to have my dead brothers "work" done...it was already done. I don't know the rules of consent... it happens all the time so If one were to complain loud enough... don't know. |
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